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Posted by bdr222 on Sep-27-2006 02:15:

the downtown club owners should team up and buy an out of the way corporate park and turn it into a new haven.


Posted by av1 on Sep-27-2006 02:15:

Bottom line is that the city used the clubs and their owners to help build up a part of this city that was going nowhere fast. Now that the city has improved the area and also cashed in by generating revenues from taxes, etc that were levied on the clubs, they are about to sell out to the highest bidders - the condos.

The fact of the matter is a lot of those condo units will be purchased by out of towners, tourists, etc for their winter/vacation homes. Meanwhile people from Miami who put money into the clubs, who work in and rely on income from the clubs, and who party in the clubs (outsiders included) will all get fucked because the condos paid off the right politicians so that tourists from Europe, sports and other stars/celebs looking for a vacation condo can have their way. Studies have already shown that they are building more condo units than we have people down here. Supply is gretaer than demand. So it's clear it's being done to cater to tourists, and they cannot have a bunch of clubbers running around now can they. They have no basis to complain because they knew the clubs were there when they started building the condos right there. Will they die if on Fridays and Saturdays we have afterhours??? If so, don't buy a condo here.

This is corruption at its peak. You think they told any of the club owners that they would be fucked in a couple of years when they took their money??? Give me a break, I bet they guaranteed the opposite. When you watch the news and hear that millions of dollars are missing from different county and city programs here in Dade county you think nothing of it. Guess what, those same people are the ones that would sell their mothers to the condos C.O.D., and are now doing it. For example there was a low income home fund scandal where over $100 million that was supposed to go to low income housing resulted in little if anything being built, and when they went to the county/city and mayors they had no answers at all. If they will fuck the poor, imagine what they will do to club owners and club-goers. No vaseline included.

The only options we have are to enjoy the 24-hour district while we have it, and let these politicians know how we feel. They will have to hold hearings before they do anything with the district, and voting against any commissioners, mayors, etc that want to or vote to get rid of the district is a simple way to get back at them.

On a side note, it would be fun to see LP go to war with the condo owners. I see construction delays in their future.


Posted by CHRles on Sep-27-2006 02:37:

quote:
Originally posted by hiram
actually i think i read recently that metro Miami has 2.4 million ppl, Tampa also has 2.4 million in its metro area


Population of Dade County in 2006: 2.4 million
Population of Broward County in 2006: 1.8 million
Population of Palm Beach County in 2006: 1.3 million

Compared with
Hillsborough County in 2006: 1.2 million
Pinellas County in 2006: 950,000
Add in parts of Pasco and Hernando and you have a few more hundred thousand.

You do the math

Now if you include Sarasota-Bradenton and the Lakeland area (redneck Polk county) in the metro Tampa area then you've got 3 million.
Anyway you look at it, South Florida has the most populated counties in the state (Dade is one of the most populated in the country).


Posted by ledgemaster on Sep-27-2006 02:46:

the clubgoers in that area probably make the area SAFER than the cracked out bums living on the streets. get rid of them, not respectable citizens who like to party on the weekends.


Posted by SPACEMASTERS on Sep-27-2006 03:12:

quote:
Originally posted by PatMcGroin
i can totally see space being somewhere else in miami in 2-3 years though. and that sucks.



Like where???


Posted by av1 on Sep-27-2006 23:55:

quote:
Originally posted by SPACEMASTERS
Like where???


Hialeah, right next to the new Marlins Stadium.


Posted by teckniqueZ on Sep-28-2006 00:23:

Lewis will throw down the lawyers and he will domimate.Shut every fuckin club in Miami and keep Space 24 hour liqour license i will be perfectly happy..There are a couple of really good clubs in Miami but anyone can tell you that the people is what makes the party,the people is what makes the music, its the reaction.When you wake up and you find yourself there with a thousand crazy people like u watching the sun rise while listening to your favorite dj.It doesnt get alot better.If the 24 hour liqour licence goes down so will Space and so will confrence.


Posted by hiram on Sep-29-2006 18:19:

ok so i spoke to my beverage law teacher at school, yes im a hospitality major, and hes a lawyer specializing in alcoholic licensing and things of that sort. it just so happens his firm represents space and goldrush. i asked him about the 24 hour zone and he told me he was at the city meeting where it was brought up. he mentioned it wouldnt be pretty and they could be facing a 3am closing time. when i asked about the relocation of the 24 hour zone he said its not likely but he didnt really elaborate on that. is it just me or does this look really bad for the nightlife here?


Posted by nchs09 on Sep-29-2006 19:57:

i guess its time miami goes hardcore.. no liquor sells.


Posted by koky69 on Sep-29-2006 21:03:

I dont give a fuck .. I saw this coming for awhile .. And as far as terrace goes.. Its the same shit over and over again. No progg or trance up there so why should i care ? Im glad we have our locals and our house parties


Posted by DJReLiK2424 on Sep-29-2006 21:05:

quote:
Originally posted by koky69
I dont give a fuck .. I saw this coming for awhile .. And as far as terrace goes.. Its the same shit over and over again. No progg or trance up there so why should i care ? Im glad we have our locals and our house parties



Posted by av1 on Sep-29-2006 21:12:

The problem is they start by taking the terrace due to noise. Then they move the closing times to earlier and earlier for another BS reason, and then before you know it they go after the whole downtown entertainment district altogether until it's gone. And no matter what you say, downtown is 10000000000000 times better then the beach.


Posted by koky69 on Sep-29-2006 21:25:

quote:
Originally posted by av1
The problem is they start by taking the terrace due to noise. Then they move the closing times to earlier and earlier for another BS reason, and then before you know it they go after the whole downtown entertainment district altogether until it's gone. And no matter what you say, downtown is 10000000000000 times better then the beach.


I agree 1000000% ... But this isnt new news... This has been goin on for a LOOOOONG time believe it or not .. So if Saleen is claiming this, he has'nt impressed me .. Its news thats been coming for a good while.. A great thing like that couldnt go forever.. Miami officials and law makers are all about money .. So if thats going to interfere with the billions of dollars that the condos are going to bring downtown .. Forget it dude . After hrs has got to go unfortunately . I dont go to space much anymore cause they dont play what i wanna hear anymore.. And when they do i go .. Here and there... And even when that happens it doesnt go as id like it to go .. How ? Like a Saturday at Space. So i really would care less.. What i "DO" know .. Is that if after hrs goes , so does Space.. Space is Space because of the after hrs. Its sad .. But it was forseen.. Miami polititians are all cock suckers. Thats all i have to say


Posted by mdamon7278 on Sep-29-2006 21:30:

All of the after hrs freaks are gonna commit suicide


Posted by mdamon7278 on Sep-29-2006 23:46:

We are in a state of emergency


Posted by koky69 on Sep-30-2006 00:31:

quote:
Originally posted by mdamon7278
We are in a state of emergency
stfu fag !!


Posted by LiquidX on Sep-30-2006 17:40:

Man, its hard to realize and fall into reality that this is all happening. I always tought of the clubs evolving and making that district way better and more competitive.. where we would see bunch of clubs rise and fall. They were one biiig chunk of entertainment to one of the best party's in the world during Conference with one of the sickest, more varied line-ups. Now we are seen all this coming to a downfall. Its sad.. it really is.
When we talk terms of electronic music.. once rave parties were killed, Clubs cashed into bringing the DJ's.

Now this is one killer move to DJ culture, electronic music culture, and clubber's culture all together. Lets hope for the best!


Posted by mdamon7278 on Sep-30-2006 20:45:

Well if this goes into effect, we still have our lovely house parties


Posted by av1 on Sep-30-2006 21:05:

quote:
Originally posted by mdamon7278
All of the after hrs freaks are gonna commit suicide


To be honest some of those people on the Space terrace need to already.

Koky you are right, once the condos started going up it was easy to see that a battle over that area would eventually occur. So yeah Saltine/ Saleen/Barbarino/Barbara/club legend/urban legend/or whatever he calls himself this week is far from psychic or anything. And money is at the center of just about anything our local government does or doesn't do. (see my prior post on that).

While Space is not my every week destination either like it used to be back in 2000/2001, it is not just about Space. If people do not let their voices be heard, the government may well start with one area and issue and continue onward to make sure that this city's nightlife completely disappears and Miami becomes as boring as Nebraska. Young people make up a majority in this country, and probably this city as well. So we could vote these old farts right out of office and send them to retirement in one of those condos next to Space/downtown, vote LP into office as the new mayor, and blast the music so loud they cannot sleep in their condos.

On a serious note, luckily the fight over the 24 hour district is far from over, and nothing has been decided. Maybe it will not be as bad as everyone is predicting.


Posted by Mattivi on Sep-30-2006 21:54:

i heard from a friend that all those people who bought those condos signed a disclosure agreement. basically the disclosure stated that they were aware that they were buying into the entertainment district, which includes AA arena, clubs, etc. dont know if this will hold up.


Posted by av1 on Oct-01-2006 02:16:

No doubt the builders knew about the district when they were building the condos and purchasers knew when they bought units. You cannot miss it because otherwise that area would have been tumbleweeds. The condos and unit owners are not in any position to complain. Are they going to ask to close down the expressway because the cars, motorcycles, and trucks driving on the expressway are too loud??? What about the arena and bicentennial park, should they close so the condo owners can have 100% peace and quiet on their thrones?

The condo builders and owners complaining is the equivalent of someone buying land right next to the airport and then trying to get the airport shut down because the planes make too much noise. Ridiculous. And isn't it interesting how they waited until after the Metropolis and other shootings to turn up the heat and raise 'noise' laws to try and shut down the 24-hr district. Unfortunately clubs and entertainment districts do not make sympathetic figures and are easy targets for these types of political witchhunts. I hope LP, Opium group and company can all work together to quash this, because if the 24-hr district goes that will not be the last thing they target.


Posted by DarkAngel on Oct-01-2006 02:17:

I only have one thing to say about this matter.























Saleen's a fag. Always was, always will be.

Fuck you, prick!

Have a nice day!

DA


Posted by deejaymara on Oct-04-2006 06:29:

whoa whoaa

yeah that definitely sucks to hear... i might cry

now what the hell am i gonna look forward to saturday nights when i go down to miami?? hmmm....


haha ok byeeee!


Posted by koky69 on Oct-04-2006 10:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Mattivi
i heard from a friend that all those people who bought those condos signed a disclosure agreement. basically the disclosure stated that they were aware that they were buying into the entertainment district, which includes AA arena, clubs, etc. dont know if this will hold up.
I am good friends with one of the people that are building condos there and yeah they did sign an agreement .. But in the long run he says they will win .. Money always does..


Posted by CHRles on Oct-04-2006 12:58:

quote:
Originally posted by koky69
.. But in the long run he says they will win .. Money always does..


Ding ding ding! Correct.


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