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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm not going to lie here: I'm so thoroughly sick of your never-ending posts I jumped at the opportunity to rip into one.

Well whatever, you didn't need to start a childish argument with me over something so trivial and stupid as this. I just clarify my points so you understand them and not merely bash everything I say or get into name calling or whatever. I know guys like you hate me on here, but I don't care really. I don't make them for no reason, and maybe if you guys stopped being so argumentative or judgemental over everything I say, then maybe I wouldn't have to get into never-ending posts as you state. I just try most of the time to have intelligent and respectful discussions about things, and clarify instead of attack. I HATE getting into arguments, so I do whatever I can to avoid them...instead I try to get you to at least understand my point of view and hope you can respectfully disagree without treating me like i'm an idiot who doesn't know shit.

You go into never-ending posts in the most peaceful of situations. And most of the time you talk crap. Like now. I've heard plenty of bullshit about This Binary Universe, and a lot of it has come from your direction. A lot of people have read stuff and played it expecting something it isn't, and it's people like you who are to blame. People who can't just state a bloody opinion, but have to turn it into something bombastic and pretentious and exaggerated.

It's not like Ima at all.

Not in the slightest.

Not even a fucking tiny, little bit.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You go into never-ending posts in the most peaceful of situations. And most of the time you talk crap. Like now. I've heard plenty of bullshit about This Binary Universe, and a lot of it has come from your direction. A lot of people have read stuff and played it expecting something it isn't, and it's people like you who are to blame. People who can't just state a bloody opinion, but have to turn it into something bombastic and pretentious and exaggerated.

Talk crap? well maybe as far as what you think I say is crap, but I don't name call or make personal attacks like you guys. Plenty of bullshit? Yeah to you, but to me...it's just my opinion that i'm clarifying so you understand it without leaping to conclusions about what i'm saying. "I see your point....however" I don't get that from you guys on here, except "your full of shit you f**king asshole loser", okay you might not say that outright but you come across like that's what you think.

I don't expect you to agree, but I do expect a little respect and for some intelligent discussion and disagreement and not senseless argument. I realize I've gotten into them before on here and have tried to avoid them, but most of the time it's when I say something I think is harmless and it's made out to be the worst or stupidest thing that I said, when all I was stating was a point of view. My point...disagree respectfully instead of jumping on the "your full of shit" bandwaggon. I am not stating i'm right, and your wrong..k. I'm not arguing technicalities, I realize I don't know THAT much. I'm a theme/idea person, I look at music from a more literary and imaginative perspective. And this is so subjective...and I realize I have faults and I ramble...k...live with it...i'm not a perfect person.

It's so simple what i'm trying to say....

1. Both albums have a pretty consistent style of music throughout...
2. The track titles, the varied moods of the tracks...make it seem more like there is an idea behind it...a hidden message.

Not that the albums themselves sound similar, if I said that, I take that back. But that they have these two things in common vs. some of his other albums that have pretty different styles throughout. I do change my mind based upon what you guys say and I guess it's a stream of conciousness approach I take...from talking I start to rethink what I say. That's all I'm saying about it really...end of story.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 It's so simple what i'm trying to say.... 1. Both albums have a consistent style of music throughout... 2. The track titles, the varied moods of the tracks...make it seem more like there is an idea behind it...a hidden message. Not that the albums themselves sound similar, if I said that, I take that back. But that they have these two things in common vs. some of his other albums that have pretty different styles throughout. That's all I'm saying about it really...end of story.

Oh, fine. Then Ima and TBU are both like Aphex Twin's Drukqs, Metallica's Black Album and, hell, Tool - Lateralus too.

And this weird 90's hardcore compliation I have.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Oh, fine. Then Ima and TBU are both like Aphex Twin's Drukqs, Metallica's Black Album and, hell, Tool - Lateralus too. And this weird 90's hardcore compliation I have.

No as far as BT albums are concerned, not making generalities about all of these different artists out there. I'm not comparing it to everything else, just to that album. Why does this have to be such a big issue? I never stated Ima or TBU were the same....I said in my original post they were different...

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Originally posted by Spirit5 No as far as BT albums are concerned, not making generalities about all of these different artists out there. I'm not comparing it to everything else, just to that album.

Yes, but the "similarities" it has Ima are the same as the similarities it has to Black Album. Get it?

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Yes, but the "similarities" it has Ima are the same as the similarities it has to Black Album. Get it?

Yeah but the black album is Metallica...a different style of music and a different band/artist obviously. I'm just looking at this from BT's music approach to it...creating an album of mostly one style of music, with different moods yeah, but not as eclectic as say Movement In Still life, with electro and breakbeat tracks, mixed in with melodic trance, and some indie-sounding pop/rock music. The same with ESCM, though a little more on the dance side of things, and Emotional Technology was a bit like MISL and ESCM combined..quite eclectic. What i'm saying is so simple, it's not even worth getting into a debate about. It's so trivial, all I'm doing is stating the obvious from listening to and owning all of his albums.

Spirit, don't even bother. It's that time of the month for System-J.

Spirit-1 J-0

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Spirit, don't even bother. It's that time of the month for System-J. Spirit-1 J-0

No, J made several good points that I have yet to see answered instead of covered up in wordy blubber.

Whatever, this is so stupid...a waste of time. I'm done with it.

True, I'm just talking about shit like this:

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm not going to lie here: I'm so thoroughly sick of your never-ending posts I jumped at the opportunity to rip into one.

That's as unnecessary as 1/3 of the wording in Spirit's posts.

Haha thanks for defending me Miami. I don't get any respect on here...

I get more respect in the DJ Booth...cause I am pretty helpful.

I think if I got more respect I wouldn't write these long drawn out explanations/clarifications all the time. I think we all should have more respect for each other on here. It's something that is sadly lacking on this board. You can respect someone without agreeing with them. I don't disrespect System-J, but he hasn't done anything that could be deamed respectful towards me. I don't know what I do on here to get people so hostile towards me other than me looking at things differently than some other people, disagreeing or just my long posts that I wish I could make shorter but that's not possible for me right now. Just cause I make them, doesn't mean I can't be respected. I don't come on here to make enemies with people or start arguments, just speak my mind and that is what you should be able to do on a forum, respectfully...

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Spirit, don't even bother. It's that time of the month for System-J. Spirit-1 J-0

Until you can logically demonstrate why something is right, you have no authority to start awarding points. Now fuck off.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Yeah but the black album is Metallica...a different style of music and a different band/artist obviously. I'm just looking at this from BT's music approach to it...creating an album of mostly one style of music, with different moods yeah, but not as eclectic as say Movement In Still life, with electro and breakbeat tracks, mixed in with melodic trance, and some indie-sounding pop/rock music. The same with ESCM, though a little more on the dance side of things, and Emotional Technology was a bit like MISL and ESCM combined..quite eclectic. What i'm saying is so simple, it's not even worth getting into a debate about. It's so trivial, all I'm doing is stating the obvious from listening to and owning all of his albums.

That doesn't make it a "companion album". The phrase "companion album" implies a far greater thing than what you've managed to prove- a very tenuous connection. Furthermore, you stated much more than this post in your initial attempt, most of which I shot to pieces for simply being incorrect. If you strip away half of what you said and try and seriously downplay what a phrase like "companion album" implies then your point just about holds water.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Until you can logically demonstrate why something is right, you have no authority to start awarding points. Now fuck off. That doesn't make it a "companion album". The phrase "companion album" implies a far greater thing than what you've managed to prove- a very tenuous connection. Furthermore, you stated much more than this post in your initial attempt, most of which I shot to pieces for simply being incorrect. If you strip away half of what you said and try and seriously downplay what a phrase like "companion album" implies then your point just about holds water.

Ok then I take that back. Like I said, not everything I state is set in stone. You act like it is, like I can't change my mind. I stated in one of my posts I changed my mind and will continue to. And that's fine, we have a right to change our minds. Someone might say something one day, and after talking with someone, they might change their mind and this is what happened with me. It's better than being unwavering and not ever change your mind...kind of like our president George W. Bush, who hardly ever changes his minds. So after what you said, I rephrased/revised my point.

God, I never thought I would be the one who had to say this, but...

I don't think I've ever seen a more pointless argument than this. Don't you kids have anything better to do?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery God, I never thought I would be the one who had to say this, but... I don't think I've ever seen a more pointless argument than this. Don't you kids have anything better to do?

Exactly, it is pointless. I never meant to get into an argument over this....never expected what I said to be turned into one. Maybe an intelligent..respectfull discussion..disagreement, but not "your full of shit" type thing. I can't stand that attitude on here...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Until you can logically demonstrate why something is right, you have no authority to start awarding points. Now fuck off.

No, but as an observer of this thread I have the authority to defend someone against undeserved personal attacks. It's one thing to debate music, it's another to rip on a guy. Btw, the language isn't helping your cause.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery God, I never thought I would be the one who had to say this, but... I don't think I've ever seen a more pointless argument than this. Don't you kids have anything better to do?

There's no more or less point to this than most discussion on TA.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman No, but as an observer of this thread I have the authority to defend someone against undeserved personal attacks. It's one thing to debate music, it's another to rip on a guy. Btw, the language isn't helping your cause.

Exactly, there is so many people on here who do personal attacks without really trying to understand what someone is saying, rather just attack attack with this "your full of shit" type attitude. Has Ishkur influenced this board that much that people feel it's cool or macho to be disrespectful and downright rude on here?. I didn't care to get into an argument about this or anything really, all I ask for is people to UNDERSTAND what I say and RESPECTFULLY disagree with me without attacking it. If I am wrong with something technically, tell me why I am wrong and what is right. If I have a misundestanding..do the same. If you have a misunderstanding...ask for clarification. That's all....quite simple i'de say.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J There's no more or less point to this than most discussion on TA.

You keep telling yourself that

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Originally posted by miamitranceman No, but as an observer of this thread I have the authority to defend someone against undeserved personal attacks. It's one thing to debate music, it's another to rip on a guy. Btw, the language isn't helping your cause.

And you're defending him by posting antagonistic comments that say very little about conduct? And I know the language isn't helping my "cause". Neither is it hindering it. I say "fuck" for emphasis. It has no impact on the logic of my argument, and if you find yourself disagreeing with me simply because I swear then you're a poor debator.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery You keep telling yourself that

What's the point of this? You think you'll make me stop an argument because Mr Mystery deems it a waste of time? What's the point of any argument, any post, any thread on any forum? Do you partake in many arguments that have more "point" than this? Is there any point ever in arguing about music? Please enlighten me on exactly what the fuck you think the "point" should be.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J And you're defending him by posting antagonistic comments that say very little about conduct? And I know the language isn't helping my "cause". Neither is it hindering it. I say "fuck" for emphasis. It has no impact on the logic of my argument, and if you find yourself disagreeing with me simply because I swear then you're a poor debator.

Seriously man don't even start with "antagonistic comments." Can we get back to music discussion?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J What's the point of this? You think you'll make me stop an argument because Mr Mystery deems it a waste of time? What's the point of any argument, any post, any thread on any forum? Do you partake in many arguments that have more "point" than this? Is there any point ever in arguing about music? Please enlighten me on exactly what the fuck you think the "point" should be.

I don't think I'll bother since it's obvious you wouldn't care what I'd say anyway.

When I partake in arguments I actually argue about the subject and don't get my feelings mixed in it. You are obviously unable to do that. Keep going, though, this is far more entertaining than any TV show.

I've got to go to work now, but you stay here and keep fighting the good fight

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