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Originally posted by Great Outdoors LOL Never liked the MoS. More like the Ministry of Shite.

hahhaaA~ Very Funny

The most interesting part is to see the durability of theese new
decks compared with the Techs, if the deck breaks witin a year
all the hoorays was for nothing.

I would say that Technics still is on top, but Vestax is beeing more and more accepted and have taken a solid second place.

The others TT nedd to prove they earn a place on the top

here we go again... every few months some new table comes on the market and right away everyone says its gonna be the new king of tables...


BAH!


Techs for life!

I read somewhere that the original tech 1200's were designed as high fi recorders, and no one had dj's in mind. I think thats pretty impresive, but I also think that with the huge technological advances we are making, techs will one day become obliterate. I think right now they are top of the line (althought i still prefer my vestax pdsa1's) but the day will come when you guys are all gonna have to give 'em up.

What is wow and flutter?

Technics will ofcourse evolve with the market adding new features
to their new decks but in a way that wont danger the durability
of the decks.

yikes, i sound like Technics main salesman.

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Originally posted by mikefasssy What is wow and flutter?

Wow is a slow variation in the rotational speed of a turntable (<20Hz).

Flutter is a rapid variation in the rotational speed of a turntable (>20Hz).

Wow and flutter is given as a percentage and the lower the percentage the better. Tech 12's have a wow $ flutter of <.015%, the TTX1s have a wow & flutter of <.15%. It sounds like a phenomenal difference, but remember that the TTX1 motors are empowered with a much greater RPM variance 33&1/3 all the way to 78. Numark states that the motor control servo continuously monitors over 800 points of optical resolution per revolution, whereas Techs servos monitors 300 points of optical resolution/revolution.

I found out how important wow & flutter is when I played on less expensive tables. While I was beatmatching in my phones, I thought my tunes were in sync. When I cued the B tune and let it go with the A tune, the tune would drift, cuz the turntable motor was trying to compensate for my hand holding the vinyl down (which was slowing down the motor). Sometimes during the live mix, the tune would drift...you know how that sounds.

I'm using TTX1s now...I love them. They are solid, heavy, and my tunes never drift. I agree with the majority here, they haven't been around long enough to prove themselves against the test of time. I took a risk...so far I'm glad I took it. These things rock. I don't care what other people say. I still have great respect for Tech 12s (and even Vestax tables), those things are tanks. But in the end, it doesn't matter what kind of equipment you have. What matters is how you sound. I don't care if AVB, Marco V, John Fleming...whomever are spinning on belt-drives, if they are making the crowd dance...that's all that matters.

looks like it has a very short strait tonearm... is that good?

Regardless if it will out perform the technics, it will not take over.
Clubs and pros in general use what works... and if it aint broke, dont fix it. So as long as the Technics are being manufactured, they will continue to be used by most professionals and clubs.

I've spoken to a couple of djs who have used a couple of Vestax, and they told me they started faster, worked better, etc, but again these tables have never been used and tested for 15+ yrs.

In addition, lets say you decide to purchase a Vestax or even the new Newmark, and lets say you play at a venue or whatever,,, chances are they will have Technics 1200. Now, after practicing and using the "new" decks at home that have faster torque, more control, extra this and that,,,, what will happen when you use something so simple such as the 1200?? When you are in front of the deck, and it doesnt have all the fancy gadgets that you are used to (reverse, digital)?

And trust me, if you are used to practicing on a certain deck for yrs then try something new for one night, its really hard to adjust (timing etc.)

So to summarize, Im not saying that there is no other deck out there that may start faster or give you even more control for mixing, there probably is, but they havent been tested to see how rugged they are, and they are not the most widely used turntable in the world. Its a matter of pure consistency and convinience of why Technics 1200 is the standard and will continue to be the stardard for pro djs in years to come.

imo technics will reign supreme.

I am so sick of Numark stuff breaking. The mixer where I play on the weekend is a 3 channel numark. All the pre fader gains on each channel are broken. Also the Channel faders are stuffed some are ultra slippery and some are really tight and hard to push. Another Numark mixer I have used had some of the kill switches which didn't work and one of the channels didn't work at all. I am totally put off Numark so far all there gear I have used has had faults or been broken. Where as I have used really old Tech 12's and they have been 100% fine. I want something that I can rely on that is rock solid

I test those numarks and the vestax at the store. Still not as good as the technics. Come on ppl every dj uses techs and nothing else to say.

common guys nothing will break technics supremacy. do you really think that jeff mills will play his records on a table which looks like a toy? wich have a built-in bpm counter? let me laugh. i am always happy to see new models turntables models, but this one is not going to replace our techs. and as djtj and skywarp said, a high starting torque is absolutely useless. and now about the +/-50% pitch... damn... are you mixing 80 bpm chillout to 170 bpm drum'n'bass ?

No offense, but it's pretty short-sighted to think that Techs will always be the best eq out there. it's like people in the 60s thinking that 8 track would be the best, then in the 70s that audio cassette would be the best, then in the 80s that cd would be the best and in the late 90s that md would be the best. Technology evolves. Period. There will come a time pretty soon that hardware manufacturers will only make cd based or mp3 based hardware. Turntables and vinyl have been excellent during the past several decades...even century. Much better technology has come out and all of this technology is digital.

You can argue to no end that vinyl is better than cd/digital audio, but play your vinyl 1000 times then play your cd 1000 times and listen to which one sounds better. Digital audio will and HAS proved that it is better than vinyl. The ONLY technical advantage that vinyl has over cd currently is dynamic range (the difference between the loudest and softest volume levels) and even this is greatly reduced after spinning the record a dozen times... A cd may not have the dynamic range that a record does, but there are many new advances in compression eq that is pushing the limits much closer.

In short, techs will not reign supreme. They will loose either to other turntables who can outperform and out look the techs, or they will loose to digital media...

CDs don't sound better than vinyl. You are confusing a clean sound with a good sound. That barely perceptible background hiss that you get with vinyl actually makes the music sound better. Vinyl is also analogue, so sounds fuller imo.

Dynamic range is also hugely, hugely important in a club, and can't be dismissed.

CDs have many advantages (not least that you can burn them yourself ), but still don't sound as good. One day something will, but it's not here yet.


Btw, am I the only one that suspects we have some Numark employees on this thread

Technics 1210 MK5

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Originally posted by Arty Btw, am I the only one that suspects we have some Numark employees on this thread

We could possibly have 2 or 3 Numark employees, but I see about 30 possible Technics employees posting on this thread

But technics probably don't need as many employees as Numark because they don't break nearly as much

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Originally posted by Arty CDs don't sound better than vinyl. You are confusing a clean sound with a good sound. That barely perceptible background hiss that you get with vinyl actually makes the music sound better. Vinyl is also analogue, so sounds fuller imo. Dynamic range is also hugely, hugely important in a club, and can't be dismissed. CDs have many advantages (not least that you can burn them yourself ), but still don't sound as good. One day something will, but it's not here yet. Btw, am I the only one that suspects we have some Numark employees on this thread

Well, obviously you didn't read my post very thoroughly. I never said that dynamic range wasn't important--in fact it IS very important, you are correct. And any advantage that vinyl has over cd in this area is wiped out after you play your vinyl several times.

It makes me laugh that people think that just because the original source is analog that somehow that makes it better. Guess what, when the track was originally recorded, they didn't burn it straight to vinyl, they recorded it onto a DAT most likely. DAT stands for DIGITAL audio tape. *blink* Need I repeat?

As far as confusing a good sound with a clean sound, I think that you're confusing a fact with a wrong perception. The fact is, if you make your own track and use good compression hardware (check this out: http://www.fmraudio.com/ go to the RNC1773 for an affordable compressor that offers increadibly transparent compression) then you will still retain a lot of the dynamic range that the original recording had. If you do a bad job...then you get my picture. Is there still room for advancement in the cd market? Yes. Have the capabilities of vinyl maxed out? Probably. I have no clue why you think that hissing makes the music sound better! If this is true, then why don't you hear hissing recorded onto the original source itself? And why do they have so many programs that remove hissing and other vinyl-produced sounds?

How can you possible argue that a media that will retain the original source 100% or not at all is in any way better than something that can degade every time you play it, every time you take it into a smokey club and warps under its own weight by just letting it sit there because?

I actually like vinyl a LOT, but there is no advantage in the long run over digital media. There are many arguements over just quality alone, but think about how portable, reproducable, cheap and accesible cds are. Now think about how heavy and bulky, expensive to buy and even more expensive to reproduce records are. While you have your 25-50 records that you brought with you to the club, I've got my 1000 cds in less space and wieght organized into as many different generes, sets or moods as I see fit.

Sheesh

Why make this argument?
Technics are the standard, are great and still reign supreme for around 20 years. However to go along with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" I think someone summed it up the best by saying something along the lines that if the deck can last, and is better spec-wise, what makes techs any better at all? That's all it depends on now, durability. Even the price is cheaper. If after a few years the TTX1 is still durable, don't you think standards will be broken? Why purchase something more expensive, not as powerful and just as durable for more money? If Technics doesn't innovate they're not going to reign supreme. Even if it does take years to prove that they aren't king. In any field standards won't stay the same forever. Just look at IBM.
However... you really can't go too far wrong IMO with decks this caliber.
A good thing to add would be "Why take the chance now?" Which seems to be what most are doing. It's got ways to go before techs lose their crown, even if now it's starting to wear a little thin.

ChavezHype, TTx's are the same price as MK3's now.

My Technics remind me of a favorite old trance track, "You put me in heaven with your touch.."

I lurv them to pieces, though the new Numarks are pretty sharp looking. The way I look at it though, the more features you have, the more there is to break.

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Originally posted by Veldrid ChavezHype, TTx's are the same price as MK3's now.

You sure? From what I've seen, they're about $100 less per pair than the tech 12s from where I've seen them being sold.

Oh might even be cheaper then mk3's now but for awhile there they were $100 more per deck. So I know they are atleast the same as mk3's now.

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Originally posted by Dj Flesch No offense, but it's pretty short-sighted to think that Techs will always be the best eq out there. it's like people in the 60s thinking that 8 track would be the best, then in the 70s that audio cassette would be the best, then in the 80s that cd would be the best and in the late 90s that md would be the best. Technology evolves. Period. There will come a time pretty soon that hardware manufacturers will only make cd based or mp3 based hardware. Turntables and vinyl have been excellent during the past several decades...even century. Much better technology has come out and all of this technology is digital.

The technics have been the standard for 30 years now, turntable technology hasn't changed much since then, nor will it change much from now on. Digital media replacing vinyl for DJ's? NEVER
Here's why, even though there are products like final scratch and Pioneers CDJ's, they haven't made as great an impact on the DJ industry as people had anticipated, that is because they have one fundamental flaw, they use DIGITAL media.
What's the problem with digital media? it can be shared.
Even if websites started to sell MP3's instead of Vinyl(which they never will) only one person would have to buy the song then within a a matter of seconds it could be shared with DJ's all over the world through the internet. Result = loss of money for the artist and record label. No money = no more music production.
Vinyl will never be replaced simply because it is a physical medium that is expensive to reproduce, the only way to get a copy is to buy it.
Don't get me wrong Final Scratch and the CDJ's are great tools, but their greatest use will be for DJ's to play songs that they have produced themselves, or songs that just haven't been released on vinyl yet.

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