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I haven't posted on TranceAddict in ages, but you've summoned me from my cave at Audiopioneers.

I've been talking to Scott Richardson (the label manager of TranceTribe) and Sean Tyas about the "state of trance" recently. Well, it's as simple as this.

Trance fans, at least the ones these days, are tech savvy. Many of them are computer scientists, engineers, programmers, and the likes. It's hard to find someone who really "knows" the scene who doesn't also want to be a producer or DJ. In any event, they pirate, and they pirate hard, because they know how.

Who listens to house? It's the glamor music of the Prada girls in massive Gucci sunglasses who go to the club in Rome or Paris every weekend. Many forms of house have appeal to the working class in Europe. These are not the people that pirate.

A house hit can sell 15,000 singles. A trance hit is lucky to sell 4,000. Why? Because arguably 60-70% of those would be sales are lost to the click of a button.

I've been involved with some house music because, don't get me wrong, I do like it; I love some electro once in a while or some progressive. Trance, however, is where the heart and soul is for me, and as a pianist and composer I can never truly embrace the more abrasive forms of EDM.

Really, my friends, to keep trance alive you have three options:

1. Don't pirate
2. If you pirate, go to every damned trance event that comes within 100 miles of you
3. Pirate massive amounts of house

-Arman

one last thought...

DJ top 100 results

http://www.djmag.com/newsfeat390

AvB, PvD & SvD booked to play.

I suggest trance my well figure heavily in the top 10 again...perhaps?

But trance is dying you know...

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Originally posted by armanivespucci I haven't posted on TranceAddict in ages, but you've summoned me from my cave at Audiopioneers. I've been talking to Scott Richardson (the label manager of TranceTribe) and Sean Tyas about the "state of trance" recently. Well, it's as simple as this. Trance fans, at least the ones these days, are tech savvy. Many of them are computer scientists, engineers, programmers, and the likes. It's hard to find someone who really "knows" the scene who doesn't also want to be a producer or DJ. In any event, they pirate, and they pirate hard, because they know how. Who listens to house? It's the glamor music of the Prada girls in massive Gucci sunglasses who go to the club in Rome or Paris every weekend. Many forms of house have appeal to the working class in Europe. These are not the people that pirate. A house hit can sell 15,000 singles. A trance hit is lucky to sell 4,000. Why? Because arguably 60-70% of those would be sales are lost to the click of a button. I've been involved with some house music because, don't get me wrong, I do like it; I love some electro once in a while or some progressive. Trance, however, is where the heart and soul is for me, and as a pianist and composer I can never truly embrace the more abrasive forms of EDM. Really, my friends, to keep trance alive you have three options: 1. Don't pirate 2. If you pirate, go to every damned trance event that comes within 100 miles of you 3. Pirate massive amounts of house -Arman

So true, but I don't think as simple as that.

I don't know about dying, I think music is always evolving and so are people. When i used to live in Los Angeles no one would promote the music to new generations or to people that don't know about the music. Its like wtf did you think was going to happen when the same group of people go to the same trance parties everything weekend? so I mean its natural to see people falling out of the scene and no one new coming in. I don't know about the rest of the world but I live in frisco now, and in frisco its a diffrent reason. No one wants to be the party people, everyone wants dj or producer status. which isnt bad if they promote there music to new people or try to throw new parties.

Main influence in america would have to be the negetive media campagn against raving/clubbing and the EDM associated with going to these events. Also for a short while there was this specific Fear Campagn by the news too. They where reporting that there were people going around with aids infected neeles poking people with them, and that people where throwing acid on people, reports that one E pill will kill you, gangster would rob you and kill you in the dessert. The list go's on and on. So then the cops started to take "Action" on promoters and venues and shit like that.

It's a complicated mess our world is in, no one wants it here but us and if were not willing to fight for it to stay alive and thrive than if it is dying its our fault. Promote your music, Promote your parties, pass out demos to people not just promoters. I am saving up and im going to get a loan to go to a production school and i will start up a label because i love the music. so booyah

well said

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Originally posted by michaelconway I don't know about dying, I think music is always evolving and so are people. When i used to live in Los Angeles no one would promote the music to new generations or to people that don't know about the music. Its like wtf did you think was going to happen when the same group of people go to the same trance parties everything weekend? so I mean its natural to see people falling out of the scene and no one new coming in. I don't know about the rest of the world but I live in frisco now, and in frisco its a diffrent reason. No one wants to be the party people, everyone wants dj or producer status. which isnt bad if they promote there music to new people or try to throw new parties. Main influence in america would have to be the negetive media campagn against raving/clubbing and the EDM associated with going to these events. Also for a short while there was this specific Fear Campagn by the news too. They where reporting that there were people going around with aids infected neeles poking people with them, and that people where throwing acid on people, reports that one E pill will kill you, gangster would rob you and kill you in the dessert. The list go's on and on. So then the cops started to take "Action" on promoters and venues and shit like that. It's a complicated mess our world is in, no one wants it here but us and if were not willing to fight for it to stay alive and thrive than if it is dying its our fault. Promote your music, Promote your parties, pass out demos to people not just promoters. I am saving up and im going to get a loan to go to a production school and i will start up a label because i love the music. so booyah

silly thread.....

trance will never die, i keeps evolving and as far as i know tech trance is taking the sence by storm at the min.....

few yrs later it will be another style of trance and so on.....

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Originally posted by jey silly thread..... trance will never die, i keeps evolving and as far as i know tech trance is taking the sence by storm at the min..... few yrs later it will be another style of trance and so on.....

Yea, i think we are talking about the wrong thing here. Trance will never die, though like all other music styles it will always have its ups and down in "popularity".

Cheers

WTF is electro? Guess I'd better go listen to some to find out. I bet I won't like it very much, but who knows. I had a discussion with a record label A&R last night, he was saying the big seller nowdays is electro and electro house. Trance just doesn't sell well anymore. OK, I guess it's done then, as far as sales are concerned. If you produce trance tracks, it's probably just better to give them away for free. You'll get way more listens that way. I have to admit, the supersaw has been used to death in Trance, it sounds so dated now.

I'm producing Progressive Trance now, so in that sense I'm keeping with the times I suppose. Fortunately I really dig it, I'm into it. If it dies soon, I guess I'll just go back to giving tracks out for free. Man, the EDM scene is rough, so trend oriented. I don't think I could ever bring myself to produce house or electro.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 Man, the EDM scene is rough, so trend oriented. I don't think I could ever bring myself to produce house or electro.

So true it hurts!

we are all fucked damit

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Originally posted by armanivespucci Trance fans, at least the ones these days, are tech savvy. Many of them are computer scientists, engineers, programmers, and the likes. It's hard to find someone who really "knows" the scene who doesn't also want to be a producer or DJ. In any event, they pirate, and they pirate hard, because they know how. ... A house hit can sell 15,000 singles. A trance hit is lucky to sell 4,000. Why? Because arguably 60-70% of those would be sales are lost to the click of a button.

I get what you're saying although I think it's a little bit misleading; I think there are the same absolute number of house music fans who are tech-savvy, so to speak. Trance music is just more of a fringe phenomenon (much like house was, at one point) and so perhaps a greater percentage of its fans are um, geeks. And in that context you're absolutely right about the piracy aspect.

There's one aspect you're missing though, which is that house really is harder to produce. And I'm not saying that out of disrespect to anyone, I think producing is hard in general, but trance evolved from techno which was always made on computers, and house evolved from disco which wasn't. One of the more difficult aspects of producing is making it sound not-so-computerized, and that's more of a necessity in house.

It doesn't mean house is better than trance, so don't anyone start taking that out of context. I just think there's a tendency toward elitism here, a tendency for people to thumb their noses at house music because it's more "commercial", but those people need to open their eyes and see that the commercial aspect exists in equal proportion for all genres, it's just not as obvious in younger genres like trance than it is in older genres like house. House music has a wider commercial appeal not because all house producers are sellouts, but because good house music sounds organic, natural, and sexy.

trance is harder to produce then hous

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Originally posted by Krispy Kreme trance is harder to produce then hous

Is that a fact?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Is that a fact?

nah, just my opinion. Nothing is really a fact, one can say rap music is the hardest to produce.

imo, trance is the hardest to produce because it is not just physical. Trance to me is deep and full of emotions, house on the otherhand is not. People say house is soulful , yes this is true but it is not the real thing. House is just like a crush, and trance is real love. Im high right now so i dont know what im typing

I love to connect music and drugs.

You're missing out, but to each their own!

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Originally posted by substorm Uhmm, i can only speak for my self, but i dont think that trance is dying. I will continue to do what makes me wanna dance. Personally i hate electro.. So if edm labels will stop signing trance tracks, i will start my own fucking label! Cheers C

I agree with this completely. I mean, we, as trance producers of the future, have a big say in this. If we keep producing trance for the love of it, rather than being driven entirely by money, it will live on.

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Originally posted by XvN I agree with this completely. I mean, we, as trance producers of the future, have a big say in this. If we keep producing trance for the love of it, rather than being driven entirely by money, it will live on.

Yea, cus as long as you are not in it for the money, you can do whatever you want.

I have an backup, so im able to sell my own shit if a label won�t sign it. So i shit on the edm "trends"!

Cheers
C

now is it the end? this discussion gets on my nerves everytime I see it in the list of topics...it's just so stupid to be arguing about it... :-/

we're all a community of people who love trance and are here because we love trance...how can it be dead if theres a bunch of registered members on TA?







well now finally can we stop this? seriously...

I think trance fans loved it because of the unique sound it had at the time. Back then, every song sounded unique. It didn't sound like 'real' instruments. It wasn't your typical music.

Today, you see people complaining about trance. People are complaining about supersaws. Rock, jazz, and classical to name a few genres, has always used the same instrument. Why are we complaining about the supersaw, and other cliche trance sounds? I think the reason is that the fans of trance music wanted to hear a different sound than 'regular' music, just remember the first time you heard some trance songs, you enjoyed it because it sounded unique.

Trance was at it's peak in 2001 and started to free fall after 2004.

But as a matter of fact, most sorts of dance oriented music (trance, progressive house, house....) are all in a death spiral or already DOA. Back in 2001, I would go to my local record store and spend about $125 per week on vinyl of all generes; in 2005 I was probably spending $25 a week. As a matter of fact, the record store I went to has been out of business for the last 6 months and stores like that are disappearing at an alarming rate. Did you know that in Manhattan, there are only 3 decent dance oriented record stores left - as recently as 2002 there was about 10.

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Originally posted by echosystm The trance sound got thrashed, there's nothing left. You can only hear so many supersaws... :P I remember sitting in my room with a PVD set on getting goosebumps it was so good. Trance hasn't given me, or most other people, that feeling for the last 2 years. The end.

Ah well, make it last 4 years for me...

Hey, I like supersaws still you know

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Originally posted by Icone Ah well, make it last 4 years for me... Hey, I like supersaws still you know

Word!

substorm is the only one with sensible replies on this. im with him on many points if they stop signing trance (which they won't) but if they did theres still going to be a label that will sign it and sell it.

no one can say a genre is dead or dying, no genre ever does. hardcore still has its fan base and that supposedly was dead about 10 years ago.


all this talk about one genre is harder to produce than another is nonsense. all genres are hard to produce, if their easy your not putting enough work into it. i personally feel trance is the most challenging as it there has to be things happening constantly. whereas with it, imo, contantly repeats itself and doesnt have the fullfilling flow of uplifting trance. but that is my opinion alot of people like house and probably feel im talking shit.

at the end of the day trance will outlive all of us just like classical outlived beethoven.

trance is not dying its just stuck in a cyclical style motion, sure progressive has taken over since 2004, BUT if u pay attentions the melodic hard beutiful upliftining CLIMACTIC trance that i know is making a comeback, ull see, check out the new shit out everyday.

Everyone keeps forgetting there isn't just uplifting trance. What about hard trance? what about vocal trance, but with a deeper, darker feel. The only thing that makes a track uplifting is the scale you're working in. Some scales give an uplifting feel when progressed well (A minor, A# minor, G# minor, F minor, etc) and others give a deep, dark feel (D# minor, E minor, B minor, etc). Technically speaking, I think most trance is quite easy to produce, but the only thing that makes it difficult is the musical aspect behind it. Creating that one melody that differentiates your track from someone else. The arrangement can be exactly like an Armin track or have the same arrangement as all the other artists out there, but imho that's easy work. Since you can essentially copy someone else's style and just use different sounds (even presets like everyone else is doing out there), now your selling tracks out there like everyone else. Trance isn't dying so quit talking about that. You know it isn't, you're just upset that house/electro is taking over and trance isn't like it used to be in your opinion. I don't like house/electro myself, but trance will make a comeback soon or later ...we just have to wait and be patient and keep producing what makes us happy.

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