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Posted by AdReNaLiNa on Oct-16-2006 19:25:

I guess the reasoning behind this is fair.. however, who would want to take their drink to the washroom anyway?
I would go out of my way not to have to do this... washrooms in clubs are often just too gross and I'd rather not take something I'm about to consume in there with me

But I suppose it's nice to have this option if you can't finish your drink right away or if you don't have anyone to watch it for you.


Posted by Chris Allen on Oct-16-2006 19:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
I also hate the no booze in the dj booth law. How stupid is that?

And explain to me how often this is followed?


Posted by DigDeep on Oct-16-2006 19:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Allen
And explain to me how often this is followed?


ask this guy.....


Posted by Jem_hadar on Oct-16-2006 20:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorwhore
ask this guy.....



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA solid!


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-16-2006 20:06:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
really? where? As far as I know not many cities let you walk around the streets with a drink in hand.


maybe not in stodgy north america... but go to most of europe, south america or asia and its no problem


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-16-2006 20:06:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
really? where? As far as I know not many cities let you walk around the streets with a drink in hand.


maybe not in stodgy north america... but go to most of europe, south america or asia and its no problem


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Oct-16-2006 20:07:

I think this is a good step. However, I'm with most people here...if I have a drink I finish it before I go to the bathroom, or I'll have a friend watch it. I never leave drinks unattended.


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-16-2006 20:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Misanthrope
how is it stupid not having drinks in the dj booth?
some fucking moron WILL spill THEIR drink on the equipment.




Yeah but to make it a GOVERNMENT LAW? Thats whats stupid about it.


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-16-2006 20:12:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
lol...how did I know that Jayx1 would have *some* kind of complaint on this positive move.

did you bother to find out how much the extra cost is?

did you bother to note that clubs could *easily* save the added fee by not having to post a bouncer/staff near washrooms to ensure that patrons don't bring in drinks? or have them instead performing SECURITY functions instead of being a glorified bathroom attendant?


so tell me then. Whether the cost is $1 or a million, why cant they just make it automatically apply to establishments that already have a liquor licence? This is what im pissed off about. Its just a money grab pure and simple.




quote:
I would have thought that you would at least be happy that establishments will have the option to apply for the license...instead of having it forced upon them.
nothing is forced on them. The club would still be free to disallow booze even if the government allowed them to.


quote:
I'd like to think that would eventually they will roll it into the overall licencse...but who knows. Outdoor/patio licenses are still separate too, right?


dont even get me started on that


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-16-2006 20:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Allen
And explain to me how often this is followed?


i know of clubs that have been shut down because of it.


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-16-2006 20:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Misanthrope
Sorry, I don't really support drinking in public. Someone will always abuse the system. If someone cleans up the homeless problem in Toronto, then I might be in favour of drinking in public.


they already drink as much as they want in public. But do u think our bleeding heart lefties would ever enforce it on them?

No way.

Theyd rather go after rich suburban kids who can afford to pay the fines.


Posted by Skipper on Oct-16-2006 20:19:

quote:
Originally posted by El Kay Dee
usually u keep ur drinks on a table outside the bathroom that usually has a bouncer beside..i dont think anyone comes by and tosses "date rape drugs" with a bouncer right there


The bouncer is not standing there guarding your drink for you until you come back.

It is not difficult to slip something in a drink, especially in a dark environment.

So, if the extended license is not mandatory, that means it is up to the venue whether they will allow drinks in the washroom? and they have to pay money to be able to do this? that's retarded and completely pointless.


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-16-2006 20:19:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
No. Neither does Vegas. Those 2 cities are major tourist attractions so they need to be more lax on their public drinking laws than other cities. Moscow doesn't count either. That city has no laws.

As for New york, can you really walk down the street in Downtown NY with a beer in your hand without attracting attention from the cops?


mexico does not have open container laws. And if they have implemented them recently, they are probably only in the tourist areas and authorities have most likely have taken cues from their northern neighbours on how to make money off of rich tourists.

But last time i checked there were no open container laws in mexico.


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-16-2006 20:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper

So, if the extended license is not mandatory, that means it is up to the venue whether they will allow drinks in the washroom? and they have to pay money to be able to do this? that's retarded and completely pointless.


finally we agree on something!


Posted by Abercrombie on Oct-16-2006 20:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
maybe not in stodgy north america... but go to most of europe, south america or asia and its no problem


Surprised no one mentioned this... Quebec allows drinking in public, so long the appearance of liquor is concealed. I've been drinking in the streets and shopping downtown MTL since I was 17. Anytime you buy a beer at a d�panneur (convenience store), the beer is ALWAYS in a paper bag. So long you drink it out of the bag, you won't get stopped.


Posted by exstasie on Oct-16-2006 20:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
mexico does not have open container laws. And if they have implemented them recently, they are probably only in the tourist areas and authorities have most likely have taken cues from their northern neighbours on how to make money off of rich tourists.

But last time i checked there were no open container laws in mexico.


The last time I was in Mexico, last Christmas (in Cabo) the cop made us poor our drinks into a plastic cup. The cops had tons of plastic cups in their squad cars haha.

It's also legal to drink in a vehicule (if you're not driving) like in a cab which is also awesome.

I love mexico...


Posted by English Rachel on Oct-16-2006 20:29:

I think this is a great idea! Also, when I was at home in August, I noticed the steps taken against rohypnol namely drinks allowed anywhere and stoppers in the tops of bottles with the straw in them (this also minimizes SPILLAGE!).


Posted by Jem_hadar on Oct-16-2006 20:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Yeah but to make it a GOVERNMENT LAW? Thats whats stupid about it.


YES IT IS!

There shold be no fucking law for that. If a club doesnt wanna take that risk, then it should merely be the club that say you cant take a drink up there.


quote:
Originally posted by Skipper

So, if the extended license is not mandatory, that means it is up to the venue whether they will allow drinks in the washroom? and they have to pay money to be able to do this? that's retarded and completely pointless.


Really retarded.


Posted by MarkT on Oct-16-2006 21:12:

wow...look at how long it took for even this to happen...this is from FIVE YEARS AGO:

quote:

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF ONTARIO

STANDING COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT AGENCIES

COMIT� PERMANENT DES ORGANISMES GOUVERNEMENTAUX

Wednesday 5 September 2001 Mercredi 5 septembre 2001

The committee met at 1005 in room 228.

INTENDED APPOINTMENTS
EVELYN DODDS

Review of intended appointment, selected by opposition party and third party: Evelyn Dodds, intended appointee as vice-chair, Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario board of directors.


...

Mr (Tony) Martin: There's another issue perhaps that you could comment on for me. It was an issue that was brought to my office just a week or so ago. It may not seem like much to somebody who may not be on a regular basis in licensed establishments or running one, but it's illegal to bring your drink into the washroom.

Mrs Dodds: Never having tried to do that, I didn't know that.

Mr Martin: Yes, it is. The problem that's identified is with the proliferation of all kinds of interesting drugs now out there, like the date rape drug for example. If you leave your drink for a minute to go to the washroom, by the time you come back you don't know what could be done to it. So you either down it, which could create its own problems, I guess, or you leave it there, go to the washroom, come back and then not know.

This particular individual, and I think he was speaking on behalf of a number of proprietors, is claiming that not being allowed to carry your drink with you into the washroom is a bit over the top and is creating problems in this other area that are hard to police and manage.

Mrs Dodds: The role of the AGCO is to enforce the regulations that already are on the books. Therefore, I don't anticipate that my job would involve rewriting those rules. That would be a matter for the Legislature, I think, to enact and then the AGCO would enforce them.

Mr Martin: OK. Thank you very much.



FWIW, I think there shouldn't be an additional cost to extend the license to cover washrooms...but this is better than not allowing booze in washrooms at all.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Oct-16-2006 21:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
The bouncer is not standing there guarding your drink for you until you come back.


or the bouncer is the one that is doing the drugging.


Posted by tatgirl on Oct-17-2006 03:58:

You could drink in the street in NY back in the day- Giulianni put an end to it.

But you can still drink on the streets of Miami!!! You can even leave the Clevelander w/your drink and walk along Ocean Drive- so sweet.


Posted by nacarter on Oct-17-2006 12:22:

The 'date rape' justification for this law is ridiculous. My prediction is that this law will last just long enough for the first serious fight/stabbing via beer bottle in a guys bathroom.


Posted by Crazy Serb on Oct-17-2006 15:57:

quote:
Originally posted by nacarter
The 'date rape' justification for this law is ridiculous. My prediction is that this law will last just long enough for the first serious fight/stabbing via beer bottle in a guys bathroom.


that's why they proposed it for WOMEN ONLY... (fair, eh? bastards)

And the quoted "vice-president of education in the Ryerson University Students' Union, Nora Loreto" from the original article is the biggest airhead Ryerson has ever seen - I spent enough time with her in my class to realize that... and now she's not only "getting involved" in the Rye community and whatnot but is also being asked for an opinion on these matters. Fucken awesome! (makes me wonder are most of the others "interested" in politics and running for these council spots and whatnot idiots just like that, or am I just being biased?)


Posted by nacarter on Oct-17-2006 16:45:

Yes, the media is touting that the law is going to target women, but realistically, it will have to apply to both, since applying such a law to one gender will not survive a charter challenge in court.


Posted by Jayx1 on Oct-17-2006 17:50:

quote:
Originally posted by nacarter
Yes, the media is touting that the law is going to target women, but realistically, it will have to apply to both, since applying such a law to one gender will not survive a charter challenge in court.


youd be surprised how sexist against males the courts are.


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