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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I don't think so. A lot of times it is hard to keep the track sounding good once you go beyond a certain -+%. I have a bunch that still sound fine but I also have a ton that sound like utter shit once you go beyond about 3% to 5% Just remember, faster isn't always better.

that i can agree on, i do have a couple of tracks which are like 148bpm, so a subtle -2% or something gets it to that sweet spot

but then again tempo plays a role in deciding what key the track is in, detuning it and such.

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ yeah maybe. but i bet u that track is more driving at 145bpm than +0%

Are you specifically talking about trance here?

Because I can't picture a funky house track being driving @ 145 bpm.

Groove is below 130BPM

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ does it say houseaddict.com in the address bar?

Clearly that isn't all that we talk about in this forum. [insert DJ Mikey Mike I just got fucked in the ass again smiley face here]

i will not tolerate house in me thread! :

You mentioned "the industry" in the opening post, which is quite general.

If we're solely talking about standard trance, then yes 135bpm is an absolute minimum.

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Originally posted by TOR You mentioned "the industry" in the opening post, which is quite general. If we're solely talking about standard trance, then yes 135bpm is an absolute minimum.

well i thought it being tranceaddict.com, being here for 5 years n all, ya know the story

is there even a thing such as 'standard trance'?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_%28popular_music%29

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In popular music groove, used in the sense of rhythm, is a term for metre and its embellishment by a rhythm section. Richard Middleton (1999) describes, "the concept of groove � a term now theorized by analysts but long familiar in musicians' own usage � marks an understanding of rhythmic patterning that underlies its role in producing the characteristic rhythmic 'feel' of a piece, a feel created by a repeating framework within which variation can then take place." Beyond this generality, the "groove" interpretation technique is widely attributed to James Brown's drummers Clyde Stubblefield and Jabo Starks, traditional Jamaican Reggae and African music, and consists of an interpretation and a syncopation of a binary rhythm in soul music by the rhythm section, even though it has reached many other genres. This particular technique is very well explained and documented in a video from Mike Clark (drums) and Paul Jackson (bass).

I actually somewhat disagree with this description though. I think groove has very much to do with the bassline's interaction with the "rhythm section", but a bassline is not mentioned in this article. Anyone else agree/disagree?

Only partially on-topic, but meh.

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ is there even a thing such as 'standard trance'?

The formula�c supersaw stuff, I guess.

We need something specific here, because we can't just put a certain bpm rate on 'trance' in general for it to be driving. Markus Schulz plays some driving trance @ 130bpm, while an Alex M.O.R.P.H. track needs to be played @ 140bpm.

Seeing as the term 'trance' is usually associated with big arpeggiated riffs, I referred to it as standard trance.

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Originally posted by david.michael Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_%28popular_music%29 I actually somewhat disagree with this description though. I think groove has very much to do with the bassline's interaction with the "rhythm section", but a bassline is not mentioned in this article. Anyone else agree/disagree? Only partially on-topic, but meh.

The bassline is what get's people moving and that is the bottom line. A track can have the sweetest melody in the world, but if the bassline is weak and doesn't fit, people just won't dance and/or "groove".

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT By the way, there are a lot of elements that you can add to a track to make it seem like it is moving faster then it really is. A lot of my favorite progressive & tech-house tracks are like that.

that would be true for alot of techno aswell

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Originally posted by david.michael I actually somewhat disagree with this description though. I think groove has very much to do with the bassline's interaction with the "rhythm section", but a bassline is not mentioned in this article. Anyone else agree?

no doubt.

the bassline goes hand in hand with the tempo, higher tempos mean faster rolling basslines, i mean with some tracks it just sounds silly of course! but with the majority, it would sound better and a little bit more 'pumpin'

that drive element comes back

but im still sticking to my guns with the lack of drive in tracks with a bpm of less than 133, thats just going back to the whole groove thing again

145 Is The Shit!

i agree i hate it when tracks fall to far below 140

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ does it say houseaddict.com in the address bar?

Does it say 'you can only talk about trance here' on the forum description? No, it doesn't - you fucking moron.


As a 'general' rule, only chavs and the Germans have a real need for speed. You are definitely no German.

I can't listen to anything, under 140BPM.

I cant listen to anything over 140 BPM.

Except some classic psy-trance track.s

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT For those of you who are saying there aren't tracks out there under 140BPM with drive, you are very misguided and misinformed. There are a ton.

there are... they just need pitching up for the drive to work

if that was in response to me then i was referring to melodic/epic trance in particular. i personally can't feel that drive under 140 with that kind of music

138-145 bpm

anything above 135 is fine really

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Does it say 'you can only talk about trance here' on the forum description? No, it doesn't - you fucking moron. As a 'general' rule, only chavs and the Germans have a real need for speed. You are definitely no German.

I still like to spin fast, it works with melodic trance, dont work with mcprog or whatever. LOL!

Some melodic trance sounds good slow mind you, its got a unique sorts power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYVgcupf2c

Man would be cool to see sasha when he played this stuff ^^^

Who cares about BPM?

I have danced my butt off to a DJ Three warm-up set at 120 BPM.

One of my favorite tracks is Air - La Femme d'Argent; slow as it is, try to be still it builds up!

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Originally posted by armandzadza Who cares about BPM? I have danced my butt off to a DJ Three warm-up set at 120 BPM. One of my favorite tracks is Air - La Femme d'Argent; slow as it is, try to be still it builds up!

I hear ya man. He opened for Lawler at Crobar a few weeks ago and totally destroyed me!

It all really comes down to what genre you're playing.

I love to start around 135-136 with some prog-tribal/prog-tech slowly, up the pitch and keep at around 138-140 for tech-trance/tribal-tech and usually end up at around 142-143 with some pumping morning psy.

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