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Originally posted by Synchronicity What did I just say?

you posted a freaking dictionnary of gods and religions!

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I have a strong belief, I still have questions. Having faith should not be the end of one's religious explorations. Faith needs to be challenged, questioned, and explored as that will lead to a deeper understanding and closer connection with one's god(s). Alternatively, deciding to not have faith should also be only the start of one's exploration of life's questions.

and yet, after all that exploration, it still comes down to faith. the untestable and unprovable gap. so after all the soul-searching (pun intended) youre still left with a bit of magic youre just supposed to accept. logically unacceptable as far as i am concerned.

religions evolved as a form of social control.

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Originally posted by Azia I almost wish I had a strong belief in something, because then maybe I wouldn't have so many questions....but there's no way I'm going to follow a certain group of people (when I don't truly believe), once again for comfort and to feel like I know where we're all going, no question. It seems so pathetic.

And that's a good way to feel. If no one ever asked the tough questions (what's causing this infection? how come things fall to the ground? what's making these pieces of iron stick together?), then humanity would never have progressed as far as it has.

The fact of the matter is, our world and our universe is full of tough questions. Religion is SUPPOSED to be a set of moral and spiratual guidelines to help you live a more fulfilling life. But the unfortunate fact is that people begin taking the metaphors literally, using the fictional stories as factual answers, and refuse to entertain any other solution. And then, humanity stagniates.

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Originally posted by aquila What really bakes my noodle is that even if this universe was created by a divine being, there are so many different types of religions/beliefs. So really, one must be correct and the others must either be made up bullshit or gross derivations or reversals of the truth. Question is, which one is right?

There is but one true answer:

I think all is nonreligious people are sometimes a little jelaous of the faith and feeling the believers have.

I wish I could think like them sometimes-

Lollolololol

THIS THREAD MAKES GOD ANGRY!!!!

is it made in china?

Some guy was having a really good dream and he shared the dream, then the ******s took the dreams too literally and started dreaming in the same box.....etc,

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Originally posted by Vlad You cant disprove the existance of a devine being(s). Im talking outside of the bible and scriptures, just in general. Even Einstein after all his research said that there must be some sort of god because there is so much that just simply cannot be explained. I do though, have a belief in reincarnation. I think when our souls are finished using the body we are in now, we find another body to use.

i used to kinda like that theory, but then i got to thinking. (also i added in all living things/animals etc (plants, fuck idk)
but so if thats true, everything for the most part makes sense except that what explains rapid population growth?

and then it hit me.
worms.
you cut em in half, both halves live. two out of one.
its all because of worms

ONE UNIVERSAL INTELLIGENT MIND, WE ARE LIVING IN GODS MIND!


ps: diss this and hemroids shall be sent upon theee

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and yet, after all that exploration, it still comes down to faith. the untestable and unprovable gap. so after all the soul-searching (pun intended) youre still left with a bit of magic youre just supposed to accept. logically unacceptable as far as i am concerned. religions evolved as a form of social control.

Indeed, in the end it all comes down to faith. Interestingly enough, religion is not the only thing that comes down to faith. Ultimately there are things that are simply unknowable (such as what existed prior to plank time, what is dark matter or does it even exist, when does a fetus become conscious, etc). In such instances one must evaluate the available evidence, philosophical/theoretical positions, and draw their own conclusions. As far as I'm concerned what ever conclusions one makes is fine provided that they have solid reasons for those conclusions and those conclusions give them peace.

I will not argue with you re: social control. Most religions have been used as a form of social control, however, there is little evidence to suggest that they were formed for that purpose. I would argue that the social control element of the major religions says far more about the nature of man then the nature of god (accepting that god exists).

BTW, your continued use of the word magic shows that you either fail to understand both major religious families or you simply seek to insult those that don't share your beliefs. Both are clear signs of ignorance on your part.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Indeed, in the end it all comes down to faith. Interestingly enough, religion is not the only thing that comes down to faith. Ultimately there are things that are simply unknowable (such as what existed prior to plank time, what is dark matter or does it even exist, when does a fetus become conscious, etc). In such instances one must evaluate the available evidence, philosophical/theoretical positions, and draw their own conclusions. As far as I'm concerned what ever conclusions one makes is fine provided that they have solid reasons for those conclusions and those conclusions give them peace.

the difference being that things like dark matter might one day be examined to such an extent as to be proven. its merely a theory devised to explain our surroundings, and has a small amount of evidence to support it. no scientist is asking their students to accept a priori dark matter's existence.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I would argue that the social control element of the major religions says far more about the nature of man then the nature of god (accepting that god exists).

agreed.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard BTW, your continued use of the word magic shows that you either fail to understand both major religious families or you simply seek to insult those that don't share your beliefs. Both are clear signs of ignorance on your part.

how so? what would you call parting the red sea, making the nile run with blood, turning water to wine, being a talking burning bush etc? if god isnt actually magical, how is he any different from the rest of us? in fact, id be more than disappointed if god wasnt a mage to be honest. but i guess thats my fantasy bias coming out of me. but seriously, i do equate god with "magic" (whatever that means).

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I think all is nonreligious people are sometimes a little jelaous of the faith and feeling the believers have. I wish I could think like them sometimes-

lol

Religion has always been my favorite topic of debate, moral hazzard and pkcraistan made some really good points. Here is the way I see it and I know I'm going to be flamed because I'm catholic. Every religion had it's dark moments throughout history, especially the catholic and muslim religion. I believe there is a god and christ and moses were the true messiahs , btw , some parts of chirstianity believe that jesus christ was actually god himself. There have been too many things that have been recorded throughout history that science can't explain. I disagree with the big bang theory and man kind trying to explain everything through physics and other forms of science.

Christianity teaches us to respect and love each other and to accept death and even if we lose a loved one, we will see them again through god.Out of the 3 oldest religions, Christianity and Judaism are the only 2 religions that I admire . It's hard for me to take the Koran (muslim holy book) serious when in fact Mohammed (muslim messiah) carried a weapon and it says that there are a bunch of virgins waiting for you in the afterlife. to be blunt, if you can't accept that there is a being (force) that created all of us through his image than you can keep on believing the so called great scientists who believed that we evolved from monkeys.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I would argue that the social control element of the major religions says far more about the nature of man then the nature of god

Well I would say you're right ... kinda. I would say that it's not so much the nature of man as it would be the nature of evolution. Living in groups afford certain obvious advantages as opposed to living the solitary life. But this requires some set guidelines such as avoiding conflicts with your rivals and collaborating with your friends�which, in turn, means keeping track of your fellow critters to know who is your enemy and who your ally. That, in turn, demands a lot of brain power. A few years back, it was shown that the size of a primate's brain, adjusted for the size of its body, is directly related to the size of group it lives in. (Subsequent work has shown that the same relationship holds true for other social mammals, such as wolves and their kin.)

Through conjecture we can infer that the benefits of group interaction were initially derived from familial bonding traits. Family members that look after one another would stand a better chance of surviving than solitary creatures. But family bonds can only expand to a limited group of people. A family would be less successful than a community through hard times. Thus one might say that community bonds would serve to benefit the existence of the community and the family much more. Humans, with the biggest brain/body ratio of all, tend to live in groups of about 150. Now I wonder if this group size was evolutionarily driven by religion as a means to bring people together in instances where family bonds do not hold sway. Or maybe it wasn't religion but it was the same mindset of group cohesion that made the concept of religion so ammenable/attractive. Just some random thoughts ...

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(accepting that god exists).

Doubtful

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Originally posted by occrider

With that kind of logic, you'd make a great candidate for the illuminati.

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Originally posted by Dj_Skez With that kind of logic, you'd make a great candidate for the illuminati.

Well a lot of it was derived from the works of Anthropologists such as Robin Dunbar and Stanley Ambrose. Ummm so would you care to elaborate? Please tell me you have more substance than a single sentence.

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Originally posted by occrider Well a lot of it was derived from the works of Anthropologists such as Robin Dunbar and Stanley Ambrose. Ummm so would you care to elaborate? Please tell me you have more substance than a single sentence.

I've read a lot of your posts (COR and Political Discussion), and I truly think that you're probably the most intelligent TA member. I was just goofing around. Since the Illuminati have been documented as having some of the most brilliant men in history as members, I just thought you'd make a good candidate, that's all. Btw, I'm assuming you're a college graduate, what are your fields of expertise.

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Originally posted by Dj_Skez I've read a lot of your posts (COR and Political Discussion), and I truly think that you're probably the most intelligent TA member. I was just goofing around. Since the Illuminati have been documented as having some of the most brilliant men in history as members, I just thought you'd make a good candidate, that's all. Btw, I'm assuming you're a college graduate, what are your fields of expertise.

Dammit stop confusing me . I view an illuminati accusation as an indication that I believe in fantastical conspiracy theories ... or that I'm a participant in one ... I guess we'll never know .

To answer your question my expertise is Risk Analysis.

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Originally posted by Dj_Skez and I truly think that you're probably the most intelligent TA member.

he's actually just an arseclown with lots of fancy words.

Near death experiences are nice ways of your brain dealing with slipping into non-existance.

There is no god.





























j/k

Re: Were religions made

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Originally posted by Azia for a source of comfort? I've always believed in reincarnation....then recently I wondered..."well do I 'believe' in it because it's comforting to know where I'll be going?" I'm starting to really believe that religion was simply made up to help comfort people. I know several people who all of a sudden "find their faith" when someone close to them passes. Wow, that's amazing. Sorry, but I think you suddenly "find" it because you don't know how else to cope.

So muslims are muslim because they can't cope? They have one of the most zealous faiths. sorry, but no.

If you get down to the philosophy of it, everyone has a religion. If you believe in something as a matter of faith, it's your religion, regardless of whether it is in the worship of a deity.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN how so? what would you call parting the red sea, making the nile run with blood, turning water to wine, being a talking burning bush etc? if god isnt actually magical, how is he any different from the rest of us? in fact, id be more than disappointed if god wasnt a mage to be honest. but i guess thats my fantasy bias coming out of me. but seriously, i do equate god with "magic" (whatever that means).

Magic is an illusionary art. The difference between a magician and god (as his actions are described) is that a magician uses trickery and deceit to make one believe he has done something seemingly impossible whereas god controls nature and/or existance itself to make things happen.

With regard to the red sea for instance (FYI Red Sea is an error in interpretation from Aramaic to Greek, the name given actually says reed sea, meaning a marshy body of water common to the nile delta area, the name of the town outside of which the Hebrews camped refers to an anchient village in the nile delta which has recently been located).... tidal shifts in the nile delta area drastically lower the water level of the areas lakes. It would be quite possible to cross a sandbar or other raised area of one of these lake beds during a large tidal shift. The timing of the Hebrew exodous has been pegged by both the bible and Egyption records to have happened several days after when archeologists believe the island of Santorini (Greece) exploded. Such an explosion would have caused massive tidal shifts lasting for days, sufficient to cause waterlevels in the Nile delta to decrease tremendously (oddly enough, gases from such an explosion could also make water appear red and murky... perhaps like blood). Now, the question becomes; was this a freak occurance and Moses just had scary good timing or was the explosion of Santornini an act of god meant to allow the 7 pleagues and the Exodus to occur? That is a question of faith.

My point is characterising what believers see as miracals as being nothing more then simple magic equates the power and majesty of god with that of David Copperfield. While you may see the biblical acts of god as simply illusions by people passing themselves off a prophets believers do not. Your continued use of the word magic is an insult to the beliefs of over 2 billion people, thus, either you don't understand the difference between magic and miracals or you are intentionally seeking to insult people, both show one form of ignorance or another.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN he's actually just an arseclown with lots of fancy words.

Tis true. My pedigree is no match for the lvl 20 chaotic-evil mage who hails from Australia ... excelsior!

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