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Thanks for the advice!!!

Is the Artic Silver thing necessary? with my current AMD the heat sink just sits on the CPU? Is the stock heatsink good enough, or should i buy a better one?

Are Opteron server CPU's even faster then?

cheers!!

Barry, if you want cheap RAM, go to Mplex, out the back of Castle Court in Smithfield market, they do 1Gb of Kingston RAM for �55.
Mind you, the processor is more important than the RAM.

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Originally posted by RickyM Barry, if you want cheap RAM, go to Mplex, out the back of Castle Court in Smithfield market, they do 1Gb of Kingston RAM for �55. Mind you, the processor is more important than the RAM.

my processor is a 3.0 ghz at the minute. the ram is only 256 as my 512 burned out on me.

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I have a Core2Duo E6600, 2gig DDR2 and an M-Audio Delta 44 audio interface

Got the same thing, totally in love with it. If the AMD prices are the same as they were when the core2s came out, then you can still get more speed for the same money by buying an intel system. Just check the cubase and protools forums, there are test proving it all over that site.

But if AMD have dropped their prices even more since then, maybe that isn't true any more, after I got my system running I stopped keeping up with the cpu prices.

I would suggest getting a new heatsink only because the stock ones tend to make more noise than the ones you use the arctic silver on.

If your looking in belfast then as above, mplex is your best option. I have bought all my stuff in the last while from overclockers.co.uk

Good guys to deal with and some serious components, downside is delivery charges that your face, the same with any mainland company.

Mplex i find slightly limited when it comes to the high end of the market and they are either amd biased or cant get a deal to sell intel stuff.

Try to avoid cheap generic ram, unreliable as fcuk.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 If the AMD prices are the same as they were when the core2s came out, then you can still get more speed for the same money by buying an intel system.

You're joking, right? The Intels outperform the AMDs, yes, by about 10-15% (and not on every test), and they're twice the price.

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Originally posted by messytechie Thanks for the advice!!! Is the Artic Silver thing necessary? with my current AMD the heat sink just sits on the CPU? Is the stock heatsink good enough, or should i buy a better one? Are Opteron server CPU's even faster then? cheers!!

Arctic Silver is just a tube of thermal compound. Its quite cheap and you will get about 6 or 7 uses out of it easily.

You should always use some kind of thermal compound between the heat sink and the heat spreader of the CPU because it helps to propagate heat transfer. I recommend Arctic Silver because its probably the best thermal compound you can buy. If it sounds a little too complex you can simply buy thermal pads which are also cheap and you simply stick one on the CPU heatspreader and stick the heatsink on top.

However, because these pads are sticky if you ever wish to change your CPU in future, it will be tough to remove the residue. Stock heatsink is usually enough but first check your CPU temperature by downloading CoreTemp (its freeware) and Prime95 (also free).

Switch on your PC and run CoreTemp and then Prime95. Select torture test. This will make your CPU load shoot up to 100% and you probably wont be able to do much else. Leave it on for about 20 minutes and check your CPU temperature. It should really be under 60 degrees celcius. The lower the better. If you are already well under 60 degrees celcius with your CPU being literally tortured, then your stock cooling is just fine. The thermal paste will help to lower the CPU temp by a couple of degrees provided it is applied properly (follow Arctic Silvers instructions at ArcticSilver.com)

Opteron CPUs arent necessarily faster. It depends on what you do. Opeterons generally overclock well and they have loads of cache on the CPU. But lower clock speeds.

X2s these days have low cache on the CPU and much higher clock speeds. AMD built their memory controller onto the CPU itself (eliminating the need to route instructions to a memory controller on the motherboard) and the instruction pipeline is quite short. Because of that, AMD chips are generally quite good at working with very little cache RAM.

As a rule of thumb with AMD chips of this generation for home use:

1) Clock speed is more important than cache. If you find an X2 3800 with 1mb of cache and a 4200 with 512kb of cache and they cost the same price, go for the 4200.

2) Clock speed is not the same between chip families. an X2 3800 is actually 2 cores running at around 2.0ghz (i.e. its about the same as 2 single core A64 3200+). Therefore, X2 clock speeds only mean something in relation to other X2 chips. It doesn't make any sense if you compare an X2 to a single core A64 because the numbers won't work out right.

Opterons however usually tend to overclock to insane degrees. I say usually because this type of thing isn't guaranteed and your mileage may vary. If you don't know what you are doing, dont bother with overclocking because if you overvolt the chip too much it will die. Similarly if you don't monitor temperatures whilst overclocking you may end up with a chip running at like 80 degrees celcius and that will shorten its operational life span a hell load. It might even die from the heat.

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About Core2 (aka Conroe). If you can get an E6600 right now, then that thing destroys anything AMD has in terms of price/performance.

Dont bother with the E6700 and E6800. They are vastly more expensive than anything by AMD and the E6600 and they have less overclocking headroom even if they are fast as hell.

The E6600 is the Conroe to buy at its price point. The E6400 and E6300 are ok. They are amazing if you can overclock and you get a good chip because they clock like crazy too, provided you get the right motherboard.

Conroe's use less power than equivilant AMDs (the non Energy Efficient CPUs). They are cheaper than AMD Energy Efficient CPUs. They run cooler and tend to overclock higher.

If you are buying a new PC and you can wait till christmas, get a Conroe system.

If you already have an AMD system, stick with AMD - its cheaper and less hassle to change over to an intel system and the speed boost in my opinion isn't really worth the money.

wow, this is a very cool thread.

the carillon systems look pretty awesome, its cool to see a pc that was build for producing (not for gaming) in the first instace.

gives me much inspiration because im also planing to buy a new pc during the next weeks.

this is the system i arranged for myself.

cpu: intel core 2 duo e 6600
mainboard: msi p965 neo-f
sound: emu 1212m pci
ram: kingston hyperx dimm 2 gb kit (ddr2 - 750)
hd: western digital caviar se (200 gb)
plextor px-750 a dvd burner.

im not sure about the graficcard yet but together with tower, cooling and power supply the acutall price will be something around 1200 euros.

get your self a mac, =)

www.apple.com

nah dont go for mac unless your going to use logic. alot of the vst plug ins dont run on it. i was going to get a mac but wouldnt suit me.

Yesssssssssssssssssss


Just won my new chip on ebay!!

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4400+ 2.2GHz L2 1MB SKT 939

£155!!! BONANZA!!!

Retails at £315 on Amazon. Sweet.

Oh, btw, thanks so much for the advice Derivative!!!

Getting some of that artic paste stuff too. Sweet.

Well.... for anyone who's still interested....I did it!

Put in my new X2 4400 chip, and as derivative said, all it took was one reboot and it had set itself up!

Easy as pie! The hardest part was getting the mother of all heatsinks attached to the board, very tricky but so worth it, it's almost silent.

I've overclocked it to 2475Ghz (x2 obviously, so nearly 5Ghz AMD speed!) and I noticed a difference straight away.

The important test of course was cubase, which at first I noticed no difference!!! But then I found the tick box "multiprocessing" in some deep depth of options boxes, and lo and behold it was faster than I could have imagined.

I loaded up my latest tune I'm working on, and played it at the point that on my old processor it gave up - went all stuttery ect. Played it absolutley no problem, neither CPU's going much above 50%.

So chuffed.

NEVER BOUNCE! UPGRADE!!!!!!

i got a gig of ram and now i dont need to bounce to audio. damn good investment.

I bought my systme 2-3 months ago for about 2 000 euros and I must Say even wih the dual cores and the 4 gigs of ram 10 000 rpm hdds and supercooling system, Im not impressed I can maybe add like 4-5 extra atmospheres and then were back where we started, and I barely use more than 2 gigs of ram before the cous overload, So I think The cpu must be even stronger, my 2 cents Buy the strongest cpu you can find and then add ram , or buy a powermac

Multiproccesing you say where can this beautiful button be found, Im working on SX2,

Edit: I found it , it has been doted already =(

Intel Core2 Duo is by far the fastest processors out right now. I'd also recommend Corsair XMS memory, TWINX is great.

Current system that I am buying:


Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800
Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard
Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10k RPM SATA HDD
Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200 RPM SATA HDD
Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200 RPM SATA HDD
HP Carbonite-Black 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor
HP Carbonite-Black 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor
VisionTek X1900XTX
VisionTek X1900XTX
OCZ Gold Series 2GB DDR2 667
OCZ Gold Series 2GB DDR2 667



Mines just a lil' overboard

Gonna pwn games though

I have a new HP Pavillion laptop. It's a 2.0 GHZ core duo (i think the dual processor is a must).

The best thing about this laptop is that it has TWO hard drive bays. So I have one hard drive with regular windows that I use for everyday stuff, and the other hard drive with a stripped down, fine-tuned for music production installation.

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Originally posted by RoBDaWG The best thing about this laptop is that it has TWO hard drive bays. So I have one hard drive with regular windows that I use for everyday stuff, and the other hard drive with a stripped down, fine-tuned for music production installation.

you dont need 2 hard drives to do that you can do it by partitioning one drive.

bumping this old thread as its kinda to do with wot i waana ask.

basically wuld i get a HUGE difference upgrading my processor from a althon 3400 to a 4800+?

also ive seen alot of opteron processors around that you can overclock to althon fx processor standards, anyone done this? seem like it culd be a good investment. opteron 175 for �180 which apparently you can overcolck to althon fx 55 and for the same price i culd get a athlon 4800+


wot wuld be the best option?

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Originally posted by nutsan wot wuld be the best option?

I dunno. What would be the best option.

I keeed!

I'm going to build myself a new production computer within the next 8 months. Intel Core2 Extreme quad-core processor QX6700. It's in the pants!

Only because I own stock in Intel.

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Originally posted by nutsan bumping this old thread as its kinda to do with wot i waana ask. basically wuld i get a HUGE difference upgrading my processor from a althon 3400 to a 4800+? also ive seen alot of opteron processors around that you can overclock to althon fx processor standards, anyone done this? seem like it culd be a good investment. opteron 175 for �180 which apparently you can overcolck to althon fx 55 and for the same price i culd get a athlon 4800+ wot wuld be the best option?

Opties tend to overclock really well. I say tend, because with these things your mileage will always vary. You may get a chip that doesn't overclock that well. Or you might get lucky and bag one thats an overclock monster. Thems the breaks. I've known quite a few people on other forums buy Opties with the sole intention of overclocking the living fuck out of them, and I guess the majority of them get pretty close to what they expected out of it.

Just be aware that won't necessarily get FX-55 speeds out of it. This type of thing is never guaranteed.

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Originally posted by Derivative Opties tend to overclock really well. I say tend, because with these things your mileage will always vary. You may get a chip that doesn't overclock that well. Or you might get lucky and bag one thats an overclock monster. Thems the breaks. I've known quite a few people on other forums buy Opties with the sole intention of overclocking the living fuck out of them, and I guess the majority of them get pretty close to what they expected out of it. Just be aware that won't necessarily get FX-55 speeds out of it. This type of thing is never guaranteed.

hmmmmm

its just that an opteron is the same price as a althlon 4800+ so i was wondering how much of a difference it wuld be?

and also my main question is still how much of an improvement wuld i see from a 3400?

http://www.tomshardware.com -

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html here is thousands of hours of testing cpus, a nice place for comparisons

digital village make nice systems. they arrive ready to rock. i bought one of their cubase systems a few years ago. im only just looking into upgrading to a newer one. ill use them again i think..

www.dv247.com

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