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But as Maor said, if only a tiny change is made to the melody then it's HIS melody and not yours anymore. Yes, he may have copied your melody, and yes you have the right to feel angry. In fact, I think the whole trance-community should look down upon producers who produce their tracks based upon other tracks. It's just not right. I suggest you try to contact Leon personally (one here in this thread know him in real life) and talk to him about this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusi...yrightp03.shtml

"You may need to prove you are the copyright owner if there's a dispute over the ownership of a song. For example, if in a few years someone releases a song with lyrics that are extremely similar to yours, and you believe that they've actually nicked them, you will need to prove that you wrote them first.

The easiest way to protect your copyright is to send yourself a copy of your material by recorded delivery. Remembering to do the following:


Put a note inside of when and where the material was recorded, a list of performers on the recording, and the names of writers of the song. Include their addresses.


Make sure that you write the name of the song on the outside of the package.


Get the post office to date stamp across the seal.


Don't open the package when it arrives, just put it somewhere safe.


You don't necessarily need a recording, a manuscript of the music and a lyric sheet will do."

Gutted man, hope you get something sorted. It could as previously said though be coincidence.

I really want to hear what Leon has to say about that since he is a member here

Copying my post made on t.nu and anjunabeats:



I'm sorry Paul, but if you took this to court you would loose big time, because they're nowhere near close enough to each other.

The sound itself is kinda similar, but the note pattern isn't anywhere near close enough. (The way the notes go up and down the scale is quite different, lets not spout 'this is 95% the same' rubbish please.)

The sent to label nonsense doesn't mean a thing, he admitted that he sent it to SEVERAL labels, not just one. Now if he'd said he sent the track to those 2 guys exclusively, maybe just maybe he'd have a tiny point (but like I said earlier, given the clear differences in the note pattern, he doesn't).

Leon Bolier is a good friend of mine and I know that he most certainly wouldn't be involved in any track where there was knowing copying (not that there is in this case because the differences can clearly be heard to my ears).

I realise that because in your mind they are similar and his tracks big whereas yours was unsigned this has hit some raw nerve in you, my advice would be to just let it go and concentrate on writing newer and better music.

Sorry man, I've listened and there is no doubt in my mind at all, no copying has occured here.

Arksun

funny thing is that the original sounds better in my ears than the new "rip off" version

Yeah, I don't think you can make a case of this because the melody isn't exactly the same. This happens a lot in music world, similar melodies. Some are just pure coinsidenses, some rip-offs. It's not easy task to write 100% original melody, especially when the melody is simple. I'm sure every artists have struggled with this. I write a new melody if I notice it's too similar with some track.

But I don't like the idea of copying others ideas and then make few small changes. This case, I don't know. It could be just pure coinsidence.

I'll post my 2nd post I made on t.nu in response to a post made there:


There are 12 notes in the western musical scale. Given literally millions of melodies have been made in music, it is not surprising that there will be similarities.

Not grasping this basic logic would mean that almost all melodies made are copycats, they're not.

Also remember that what defines a melody is two things. 1) The notes being used and 2) The order that they are played.

In Pauls it goes up a few notes, jumps down one then back up again.

In Leons track the melody goes straight up constantly, notes changing upwards jumping back down to a low note again but always moving up in a pattern of 6 up notes, 6 up notes then 4 up notes.

The Paul one goes 3 notes up (with a different seperation), then one slightly down then 2 much higher notes then very low note then back to the first note and repeat.

I have a good gift in just spotting this kind of thing instantly when I hear something, but I've got to the lengths to disect it for you so hopefully you'll understand better

Copying my post made on t.nu and anjunabeats:

Nobody in world say that I'm trouble-maker or something like this. I think you understand me. This track got a lot of my forces, I think you remember what is the start.
Yesterday night I received a letter from my good friend who listened to the Irony before (he is not proffesional musician). He wrote me that he listened with his nonproffesional ear the "very similar" melody in ASOT. Let us beleive that this guys decided to put the "fluffy cheesy breakdown" to technical track, to choose the same sound, to get the same arp, to get similar chords.... Possibly yes. But I can't trust in it.
To many coincidences in 1 small episode.

The melody is definitely NOT the same. Besides that; the sound used in both productions comes from a preset in Vanguard which contains an arp. It's likely that it's going to sound similar!

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If you are really sure that Leon and Cliff stole your melody, please take this to court. It's very childish to speak bad about something you haven't proven yet. You have posted this on several forums to achieve what? Sounds like you're more up to damaging Leon as a producer than to get your right.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 funny thing is that the original sounds better in my ears than the new "rip off" version

Plus One!

It really is better.

And as sad as it is to say, you don't really have a leg to stand on.

2 examples of recent high profile rip off tracks are:

Marcel Woods - Advance vs. Anne Savage - The Do

Marcel got the rug pulled from under him big time on this one.

Samples:

http://www.audiojelly.com/details.cfm?id=16368 - Advanced


http://www.audiojelly.com/details.cfm?id=39875 - The Do


As you can clearly hear, it's not just the melody and the synth patch, but the perc, the bassline and use of vocals too. Adsolute joke to be fair.

Both the tracks do sound similar. All the best in getting justice mate.

You won't get any sort of justice I can guarantee you that. What you might receive is a posting in the "tracks that sound like other tracks... not done by the same producer" thread that you can find in the stickied general info thread at the top of these forums

lol at the similarities between this thread and the one on t.nu (not only the copied posts).

my 2 posts on trance.nu about this

wtf Ill read the whole topic when im totally sober again, but:

1st
The melody wasnt stolen

2nd
its a simple arp preset from vanguard, not messed with whatsoever, cliff and me came up with it just as a joke, since the track itself is rather techy, so why not add a fluffy cheesy breakdown

3rd
If you wanna think we ripped this 'melody' (which is in case an arp made out of some simple chords), go ahead

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dancemafia wrote: maybe he should take it to court anyway up to law people then to judge are those similar...or better if label pays him some euro and release tune as boiler+paul

no fuckin way, and as i explained before, its just some simple chords played on vanguard, using a simple arp preset.

Like Cliff explained before, why should we even bother stealing a melody like this to create this kinda fuzz. Plus: i dunno when the topicstarter sent his track to Intuition, truth is 'mighty ducks' was produced in march, and i played it out the same night. Menno (intuition) didnt even hear the track by then. Menno thought of signing the track at first in July when i played it to him at his home. Pity for you your track didnt get signed, next time you see this kinda coincidences or whatever u wanna call it, send me an email instead of flaming on an internet forum.

And that's the last time im gonna defend myself on this. Pathetic.

you know i see all these trance producers coming out of the wood work saying "it's a different melody...don't pursue it", but i wonder how many of them actually know the legal process in regards to something like this. most likely they are just trying to convince you not to pursue their friend in court. if you think you have a case...i say talk to a lawyer about it and see what they say. they'll tell you if they think you can win or not...don't take the word of a bunch of friends of the person that ripped you off.


and i don't think it's a coincidence that this track is being released on a label that you sent a demo too. that's bullshit. what a clown. all of this he changed a note so it's his own crap is ridiculous in this thread. stop trying to cover for leon when he clearly ripped this dude off. even if it's something that this guy can't win for...you guys are all dicks for encouraging this sorta stuff among producers. if any of your tunes magically showed up like this, especially on a label that turned you down for a release, you'd all be on here pissing and moaning about it too...

good luck to you paul.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller the person that ripped you off.

that ripped you off? DUDE

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Originally posted by Floorfiller if any of your tunes magically showed up like this, especially on a label that turned you down for a release, you'd all be on here pissing and moaning about it too...

Definitely not, internet forums are not the right place. I've had to deal with shit on music business but I would never think of moaning about it here.

true, the guy shouldve emaild either me, cliff, menno or paul moelands. Now hes spreading shit about us that simply isnt true.

leon did not rip anyone off other than himself by making that track. it's fucking horrible :P. but as anyone can see in the t.nu thread, leon did not change one note. it's a total different melody. he used the same sound. if i would punch some random notes from low to high with the same sound i would get something similar, anyone would have. what i would like to hear is the whole track by paul and not only that lead, which is only in leons track for 30 secs. than we can compare it again.

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Originally posted by dj_palm do u btw have a version without the cheeze breakdown? i love the tech part.

yep there is

Will be released digital only tho.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller you know i see all these trance producers coming out of the wood work saying "it's a different melody...don't pursue it", but i wonder how many of them actually know the legal process in regards to something like this. most likely they are just trying to convince you not to pursue their friend in court. if you think you have a case...i say talk to a lawyer about it and see what they say. they'll tell you if they think you can win or not...don't take the word of a bunch of friends of the person that ripped you off. and i don't think it's a coincidence that this track is being released on a label that you sent a demo too. that's bullshit. what a clown. all of this he changed a note so it's his own crap is ridiculous in this thread. stop trying to cover for leon when he clearly ripped this dude off. even if it's something that this guy can't win for...you guys are all dicks for encouraging this sorta stuff among producers. if any of your tunes magically showed up like this, especially on a label that turned you down for a release, you'd all be on here pissing and moaning about it too... good luck to you paul.

He sent it to SEVERAL LABELS!!

If I make a demo track, send it to 10 labels, chances are that ONE release from just one of those labels within the next 12 months will have ONE sound only in a track that kinda sounds like one from my demo with a similar feeling, ish. SHOCK HORROR!... not.

There is no conspiracy here. Go ahead and waste the money on a lawyer he will point out the blidingly obivous, they're nowhere near close enough. I hear closer similarities between tracks every day, and those people don't sue. why? because this is what happens when there's only 12 different notes in a scale to play with, sometimes they sound similar.

Really this has made me mad, for this guy to spam this many forums with this rubbish and have people actually believing it!.

Of course stealing is wrong, but stealing music is as bad as those who lie about something being stolen when it isn't, possibly tarnishing the good name of a producer who is honest and works hard in their career to get to where they are.

It's easy to assume that the 'little guy' is always right, in this case, he isn't.

well i'm not gonna look down at the guy for starting a thread because i'm sure if he'd had contacted you directly it woulda been the same response and brushed off. is it professional? not really, but doesn't seem like there are very many professional people in trance music these days to begin with as we've had a lot of similar threads by a lot of professional producers/djs to the same effect on here. the biggest issue here is this guy thinks you ripped him off. i'm no copyright expert...i'm just saying if he feels like he got cheated some way...then he should look into it and not let a bunch of producers that are your friends convince him not to.

could just be a terrible coincidence who knows...not for me to say. but i can understand his frustration. they do sound pretty similar. if that's just because of the patch bank or whatever...who knows.

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