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Originally posted by Rodrico A lack of evidence doesnt validate any presented notion or idea. Its like saying, "if you cant prove there is no God, therefore he must exist".

so wait...you saying you didn't steal my hubcaps?

Yes. Everything happens for a reason.

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Originally posted by prolikewhoa i believe in destiny to some extent. i think that things are meant to happen so we can learn specific lessons in life. how we deal with them is up to us, but i think major events happen for some higher purpose, even if it is innate.

+1

Its not called Fate. Its called The Force.

Fate requires the belief of a predetermined future, which is part of a huge subject that involves our curiosity of the cosmos, and our own lives.

I'll be back in a few hours to discuss "fate". It's going to be real fun.

The examples theresa gave were pretty terrible. You spend all your money and you're fated to be broke. Yeah right. Fate deals with something you cant avoid, hence unavoidable. You can avoid spending all your money pretty well

the whole fate and destiny thing is normally augmented by the superstitious. these are normally the people who thing things happen for a reason. these are also normally the people who would go see a psychic. they are normally weaker minded individuals but not always.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel the whole fate and destiny thing is normally augmented by the superstitious. these are normally the people who thing things happen for a reason. these are also normally the people who would go see a psychic. they are normally weaker minded individuals but not always.

I think its just easier to believe that one does not have any control over what happens to them then to worry about it all the time.

I don't know, to be honest. Would knowing have any sort of effect on the way I act? Probably not. Because if I knew, and if I tried to stop something from happening, wouldn't it end up happening anyways?

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Originally posted by idoru I don't know, to be honest. Would knowing have any sort of effect on the way I act? Probably not. Because if I knew, and if I tried to stop something from happening, wouldn't it end up happening anyways?

Supposedly yes. Like in the play Oedipus Rex

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Originally posted by Protege I think its just easier to believe that one does not have any control over what happens to them then to worry about it all the time.

hence weaker minded individuals. people who have a strong sense of self and can easily think for themselves are not usually prone to this way of thinking.

sorry but this kind of debate makes me want to cut my veins ... and yeah you can avoid the comments that slicing ones veins isn't the most effective method of suicide but you get my point!

lol these debates are normally started by people who question what they believe in.

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Originally posted by RJT LOL! Read that in my metaphysics class this semester, almost universally panned as "faux intellectual rubbish."

care to elaborate?

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel lol these debates are normally started by people who question what they believe in.

personaly I think my "destiny" fucked me in the ass

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Originally posted by jdat personaly I think my "destiny" fucked me in the ass

Ya. So did psy-t's

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Originally posted by jdat personaly I think my "destiny" fucked me in the ass

did destiny buy you dinner first?

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Originally posted by jdat personaly I think my "destiny" fucked me in the ass

psy-t must have met with you then? lol

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Originally posted by Protege did destiny buy you dinner first?

slipped me a roofy and stole my kidneys!

Blah, it irritates me that people don't know what fate means. STOP CONFUSING FATE AND DESTINY!!!!

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Originally posted by Sunsnail The examples theresa gave were pretty terrible. You spend all your money and you're fated to be broke. Yeah right. Fate deals with something you cant avoid, hence unavoidable. You can avoid spending all your money pretty well

No, the outcome is what is unavoidable. You were fated to be born when your parents did it. You are fated to die because everyone has to die one day.

You are fated to be broke when you spend all of your money. What you are suggesting is that you can NOT spend all of your money and therefore not be broke, however, that is assuming you choose to take that path. If you do not, and you spend all of your money, the result, or fate of those actions is that you will be broke.

You could argue that your being born was not fate. Well.. if your parents hadn't did the nasty, then no, your being born was not fated. However, because they chose that path, it became their fate.

Fate is an outcome that cannot be changed due to a series of events or decisions already in action.

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Originally posted by Theresa Blah, it irritates me that people don't know what fate means. STOP CONFUSING FATE AND DESTINY!!!! No, the outcome is what is unavoidable. You were fated to be born when your parents did it. You are fated to die because everyone has to die one day. You are fated to be broke when you spend all of your money. What you are suggesting is that you can NOT spend all of your money and therefore not be broke, however, that is assuming you choose to take that path. If you do not, and you spend all of your money, the result, or fate of those actions is that you will be broke. You could argue that your being born was not fate. Well.. if your parents hadn't did the nasty, then no, your being born was not fated. However, because they chose that path, it became their fate. Fate is an outcome that cannot be changed due to a series of events or decisions already in action.

seems more like a consequence than fate. I shoot someone in the face, they die. Thats just simple action - reaction, not fate

ate
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Main Entry: 1fate
Pronunciation: 'fAt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin fatum, literally, what has been spoken, from neuter of fatus, past participle of fari to speak -- more at BAN
1 : the will or principle or determining cause by which things in general are believed to come to be as they are or events to happen as they do : DESTINY
2 a : an inevitable and often adverse outcome, condition, or end b : DISASTER; especially : DEATH
3 a : final outcome b : the expected result of normal development c : the circumstances that befall someone or something
4 plural, capitalized : the three goddesses who determine the course of human life in classical mythology
synonyms FATE, DESTINY, LOT, PORTION, DOOM mean a predetermined state or end. FATE implies an inevitable and usually an adverse outcome . DESTINY implies something foreordained and often suggests a great or noble course or end . LOT and PORTION imply a distribution by fate or destiny, LOT suggesting blind chance , PORTION implying the apportioning of good and evil . DOOM distinctly implies a grim or calamitous fate .



destiny
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Main Entry: des�ti�ny
Pronunciation: 'des-t&-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Middle English destinee, from Anglo-French, from feminine of destin�, past participle of destiner
1 : something to which a person or thing is destined : FORTUNE
2 : a predetermined course of events often held to be an irresistible power or agency
synonym see FATE

here is the definition.

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from google dictionary 1. the supposed force, principle, or power that predetermines events. 2. A final result or consequence; an outcome.

as we can see both are right. sorry theresa.

Fate led me to the COR & the rest is perverted history

yeah, sorry youre wrong theresa.

1. something that unavoidably befalls a person; fortune; lot: It is always his fate to be left behind.

2. the universal principle or ultimate agency by which the order of things is presumably prescribed; the decreed cause of events; time: Fate decreed that they would never meet again.

3. that which is inevitably predetermined; destiny: Death is our ineluctable fate.

4. a prophetic declaration of what must be: The oracle pronounced their fate.

5. death, destruction, or ruin.

6. the Fates, Classical Mythology. the three goddesses of destiny, known to the Greeks as the Moerae and to the Romans as the Parcae.
�verb (used with object) 7. to predetermine, as by the decree of fate; destine (used in the passive): a person who was fated to be the savior of the country.


anyway, people that believe in this sort of nonsense don't have anything to substantiate such belief apart from a deep need to believe. there's absolutely no evidence to suggest anything even resembling fate or destiny. its a wonderful romantic notion and all, but thats all it is. nonsense.

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