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Tester holding firm:

Tester 150,058 50%
Burns 143,033 48%
74% Reporting

Here's hoping you're right, Epicurus.

Yellowstone called a recount. I don't think this is going to be decided tonight.

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Originally posted by josh4 Yellowstone called a recount. I don't think this is going to be decided tonight.

Well, that explains why CNN now has 0 votes for Yellowstone. I was wondering what happened there. Either way, I can't see Yellowstone going Republican. Billings is the largest city in Montana, so you'd expect the county to lean democrat because of the urban-big city factor.

It does look like things are leaning Dem right now but I doubt we'll get the final word until Wednesday morning. VA is still really close so theres potential there for recounts and other delays.

virginia and montana are still undecided senate seats, BUT virginia dems are leading by 8,000 votes with 99% reporting

montana dems, with 83% precints reporting, are up by 3,500 votes - looks like the gap has been closing in the past 4 hours or so; hopefully it doesn't.

looks like the jesus party is very upset about "losing" to the osama-bin-laden party. let's see if they whine about a recount. lots of problems reported with the machines... why not just use the oldskool paper ballot thing, like everybody is asking, i used one and it was simple as 1-2-3

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, disappointed at the Democrats' seizure of the House of Representatives, will hold a news conference on Wednesday to urge his opponents to work with him, the White House said.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsa...pNews-newsOne-2

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Originally posted by occrider Jesus down to 1500 votes.

he was a write-in? see and you'd suppose jesus would get more votes, eh?


suck it, georgey.

Tester 149,164 49%
Burns 143,894 48%
85% Reporting

Come on you beautiful bastard! Get over the line!

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, disappointed at the Democrats' seizure of the House of Representatives, will hold a news conference on Wednesday to urge his opponents to work with him, the White House said.

Well, he called his 2004 re-election a mandate, maybe the Democrats should view this year the same way.

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Originally posted by occrider Oh before I forget ... So you espouse the values of Tom DeLay?

So you espouse the values of Nanci Pelosi? I hardly think it's an either or. Though I do enjoy this tactic that you often use (If you don't believe A, then you must therefore believe B).

Nancy Pelosi's values are alot better than Tom Delay's, whether you like her personally or not. She may not be perfect, but she's no Tom Delay in the ethics department, she's got a pretty clean record. She's a 66 year old grandma for Christ's sake. She even sought an investigation of someone in her own party, that Jefferson guy from Louisiana who earlier in the year was accused of having thousands of dollars stored in his refridgerator. She's even campaigned to have ethics reform in the House.

The Republicans like to paint her like she's this "San Francisco Liberal". Yes she may be liberal, but who cares. Liberalism has been made a dirty word by Conservatives for quite some time. They try to portray all of these Democrats like they are all liberals, when that is just not the case. The reason the Democrats have won so many seats in the election is because many of them that ran were moderates (some were even Conservatives and former Republicans), working to bring more bipartisianship and compromise into our government. Not one ideology is better than the other, and this has been the problem in our country.

Nancy Pelosi has even said she would try to work in a bipartisan manner in the House to get somethings done that will benefit EVERYONE in this country, not just a select few. So we need to give her a chance. I'm sure many more liberal Democrats will work to moderate some of their view points, and I hope the more conservative Republicans will do the same. We don't need extremes in our country anymore, we need more moderation, and the election results definitely show this. When one party has so much control over government, things like what had happend with Tom Delay and Bob Ney and some of the others are bound to happen. The Democrats have had their ethical problems in the past as well, but at least now we don't have one party rule.

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Originally posted by Shakka So you espouse the values of Nanci Pelosi? I hardly think it's an either or. Though I do enjoy this tactic that you often use (If you don't believe A, then you must therefore believe B).

Even if he didn't like Tom Delay, his statement implied that the speakership was taking a turn for the worse ... which, even as much as one may dislike Pelosi, is pretty hard to do given Delay's shennanigans.

I predict the DEMS taking the Senate.. there's no way that a recount could outpass WEBB, plus, the early voting cards sent are, most of them, coming from the northern part of virginia, a dominant democrat area. Anyways, what a sweet day. Time for cleaning the house.

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Originally posted by occrider Even if he didn't like Tom Delay, his statement implied that the speakership was taking a turn for the worse ... which, even as much as one may dislike Pelosi, is pretty hard to do given Delay's shennanigans.

lol. I couldn't help myself as I walked into your well laid trap the other day, you clever bastard!

Hmm. Nutsack.

This is fascinating to follow. And at the same time. Depressing.

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Originally posted by Shakka lol. I couldn't help myself as I walked into your well laid trap the other day, you clever bastard!

Traps? I do nothing of the sort!

So, do you all think there will be more compromise in lawmaking??

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Originally posted by Marc Summers So, do you all think there will be more compromise in lawmaking??

No dude. They'll just abort babies all day. C'Mon get the with times.

But on a serious note. It would be nice if there were more brains of different agendas rubbing together. You don't get sparks from rubbing two smooth stones together.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers So, do you all think there will be more compromise in lawmaking??

Well I was quite surprised by the Prez' speech this morning... I thought he would have been more reluctant to work with Dem's than he sounded in his Press Conference... I'm somewhat encouraged that HE KNOWS he will be forced to work with both Dem controlled houses of Congress...

or he's bluffing and will keep being GUNG-HO about Iraq... but I hope not...

Here's my prediction:

Before the election: blame for everything was placed squarely on the President and the Republicans, nothing changed.

After the election: blame for everything will be placed squarely on the President and the Republicans, along with the Democrats...nothing will change. Except now we will have more politicians decrying "partisan politics" when things get crappy.

Hello,

Well it looks like Montana is going the Democratic way. It's already pretty much accepted at this point.

So the only debate right now is about VA (very close to where I live!!!)

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Here's my prediction: Before the election: blame for everything was placed squarely on the President and the Republicans, nothing changed. After the election: blame for everything will be placed squarely on the President and the Republicans, along with the Democrats...nothing will change. Except now we will have more politicians decrying "partisan politics" when things get crappy.

Nope the dems will control the agenda. If the Senate is captured, Bush will have to break out the veto pen for sure. If "nothing will change" it'll be a lot clearer who's at fault for that happening.

Here's the plan so far:

"In the first 100 hours of a Democratic Congress, we will restore civility, integrity, and fiscal responsibility to the House of Representatives. We will start by cleaning up Congress, breaking the link between lobbyists and legislation and commit to pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending." She went on pledge to raise the minimum wage, promote stem-cell research, research alternative fuel sources and fight the privatisation of social security.

They also pledged to touch on other sensitive national security matters including surveillance operations, homeland security spending and the implementation of the recommendations of the congressional report into 9/11.


Asides from minimum wage (although it doesn't matter most states have minimums way higher than the federal rate) and privatisation of social security I'm a fan so far ...

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Originally posted by occrider Nope the dems will control the agenda. If the Senate is captured, Bush will have to break out the veto pen for sure. If "nothing will change" it'll be a lot clearer who's at fault for that happening. Here's the plan so far: "In the first 100 hours of a Democratic Congress, we will restore civility, integrity, and fiscal responsibility to the House of Representatives. We will start by cleaning up Congress, breaking the link between lobbyists and legislation and commit to pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending." She went on pledge to raise the minimum wage, promote stem-cell research, research alternative fuel sources and fight the privatisation of social security. They also pledged to touch on other sensitive national security matters including surveillance operations, homeland security spending and the implementation of the recommendations of the congressional report into 9/11. Asides from minimum wage (although it doesn't matter most states have minimums way higher than the federal rate) and privatisation of social security I'm a fan so far ...

I'd love to see it, but my old age (mid-20's, lol) has made me cynical. I guess we'll find out in a hundred hours or so.

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Originally posted by occrider Nope the dems will control the agenda. If the Senate is captured, Bush will have to break out the veto pen for sure. If "nothing will change" it'll be a lot clearer who's at fault for that happening.

Would that make Bush an "activist President?"

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'd love to see it, but my old age (mid-20's, lol) has made me cynical.

wait till ya hit 30

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'd love to see it, but my old age (mid-20's, lol) has made me cynical.

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Originally posted by LazFX wait till ya hit 30

No just wait till you go past 40

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Originally posted by occrider [URL=http://www.guardian.co.uk/midterms2006/story/0,,1942376,00.html]"In the first 100 hours of a Democratic Congress, we will restore civility, integrity, and fiscal responsibility to the House of Representatives. We will start by cleaning up Congress, breaking the link between lobbyists and legislation and commit to pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending." She went on pledge to raise the minimum wage, promote stem-cell research, research alternative fuel sources and fight the privatisation of social security.

So when she says civility does she mean that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy will shut the fuck up? Let alone Al Gore and Howard Dean. Or is this just a House thang? Or is that the whip's problem?

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