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Originally posted by AC-Milan and much more tougher laws, so that before these shmucks would wanna use their guns, they'd stop and think of consequences

I forget who said..maybe it was Colbert or something...

but the Death Penalty is the only thing that stop him from killing people hahaha

it raises the question that I've always wondered. Why aren't metal detectors such as in airpots MANDATORY? They used to do it here at the Ridout (a shitty club known for violence). They had 5 bouncers at the front, they scanned both your license and your body, did a frisk, etc. Any beeping, you had to empty all your pockets, etc. The Phoenix here had a shooting about a month ago, the next week they had metal detectors, just last night I noticed they don't have them anymore. It's really easy to get that damn shit out of your establishment.

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Originally posted by AC-Milan and much more tougher laws, so that before these shmucks would wanna use their guns, they'd stop and think of consequences

Better enforcement of laws would help.

Doesn't help when ppl get arrested for crimes, only to be let off on a 'technicality'

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 it raises the question that I've always wondered. Why aren't metal detectors such as in airpots MANDATORY? They used to do it here at the Ridout (a shitty club known for violence). They had 5 bouncers at the front, they scanned both your license and your body, did a frisk, etc. Any beeping, you had to empty all your pockets, etc. The Phoenix here had a shooting about a month ago, the next week they had metal detectors, just last night I noticed they don't have them anymore. It's really easy to get that damn shit out of your establishment.

Sure it cures the patronage of the gun problem but what of the employees carrying weaponry?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 in the 90s you RARELY if ever heard about shootings downtown. They were always in scarborough and rexdale. What changed at the turn of the century downtown? Hmmmm id have to say music format.

You are right, it's the music, but not any particular genre per se.

Face it, most of the nights are top 40 in the downtown core. The difference beteen the 90s and now is the fact that there are about 10 times as much to do musically in that few block radius now.

The concentration of people from 9pm-4am Thursday night to Sunday is mind-boggling.

Also, I don't know what city you were in, but downtown ha always made headlines, I moved to Toronto in 96, and every weekend there was something violence related. Maybe not in our scene, but the Bars and Pubs ruled the land @ the time and there were stabbings weekly back then, just like now.

They just mostly took place on Queen St @ Velvet Underground, Horseshoe etc, or in College holes like Whiskey and Joker in the district.

the difference is that hip hop and gansta rap wasnt so prevailent in top 40 as it is now.

And yes there were some incidents but never shoot em up styles and you never really heard of deaths as a result.

Fights always happened but not shoot em up styles like now.

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Originally posted by capo tutti di Remember back in the day when real men settled it with a dance off before there was "gangsta lean" there was a "b-boy" stance...fuck guns.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Sure it cures the patronage of the gun problem but what of the employees carrying weaponry?

I guess club owners should be prosecuted for allowing their staff to carry illegal weapons while working in THEIR establishment. But I'm sure the case of a bouncer using a weapon on a patron is rare. Aren't bouncers usually attacked for whatever reason?

And a lot of the problem is that violence occurs outside clubs when people leave...

I carry a pool cue.

j/k








on a side note: a guy I work with told me about a party he was at here where one guy was 'frontin' on another smaller guy. The small guy called him out on his tough guy act and told him to hit him as hard as he could since the big guy was claimed he would knock anyone out cold who stood up to him. The bigger 'tough' guy stormed out and came back with a gun pointed it at the small guys head. The small guy grabbed the gun, disarmed the big guy and hit him so hard he went out cold. When he came to he was being driven to the hospital by the small guy. The small guy told him to stop being a pussy and learn how to behave properly. He dropped him off for cat scans and a nose adjustment and told him to never bring a gun to a fist fight again.

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Originally posted by Slixter

THAT MY FRIEND IS FUCKING GOLDEN, We could learn a thing or two from male models, they teach us more than how to be really goodlooking, or do cool things with our hair, or be really really goodlooking, they can teach us how to get along.

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Originally posted by nusty I carry a pool cue. j/k on a side note: a guy I work with told me about a party he was at here where one guy was 'frontin' on another smaller guy. The small guy called him out on his tough guy act and told him to hit him as hard as he could since the big guy was claimed he would knock anyone out cold who stood up to him. The bigger 'tough' guy stormed out and came back with a gun pointed it at the small guys head. The small guy grabbed the gun, disarmed the big guy and hit him so hard he went out cold. When he came to he was being driven to the hospital by the small guy. The small guy told him to stop being a pussy and learn how to behave properly. He dropped him off for cat scans and a nose adjustment and told him to never bring a gun to a fist fight again.

HAH! That's wicked.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 the difference is that hip hop and gansta rap wasnt so prevailent in top 40 as it is now. And yes there were some incidents but never shoot em up styles and you never really heard of deaths as a result. Fights always happened but not shoot em up styles like now.

What part of the 90's did you miss in Toronto??

Apparently all of them, since Gangsta Rap was probably @ it's height in the mid to late 90s.

Also the violence has always been @ this level, it just didn't effect us or happen to us.

There were what, 4-6 EDM club shootings in 99 or 00???

Not to mention the stabbings @ the big parties, like the one @ the Docks that is often a topic on TRIBE.

as i said the gangsta shit was usually in some dumpy strip mall "club" in rexdale or scarborough. Not in the club district. Furthermore other than spin cat and that space dive (the 2 lowliest places in TO at the time) i cant remember any other shooting at a EDM event back then/

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Originally posted by AC-Milan and much more tougher laws, so that before these shmucks would wanna use their guns, they'd stop and think of consequences

tougher laws won't do shit. what they need to do is increase the speed that a person gets caught and punished following the crime, and the certainity that they will get caught IF they commit a crime

Its time they put up LOADS of surveillance cameras in club land. They have them up in Dundas Square, and the first time they were used, they apprehended a shooter as a result.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Apparently all of them, since Gangsta Rap was probably @ it's height in the mid to late 90s.

I agree. The music being played in clubs today is not gansta; it is just club hip-hop, party, stomping feet, getting drunk, sex music.

There is very little true gangsta rap these days, imo. The struggle is gone, and not as many are singing about their tough lives.

the alcohol laws i this country force
everybody out on the street drunk off
thier tits at the same time.

thats when the trouble starts.

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Originally posted by heavenisblue that really freaks me out, especially since I have to walk everywhere downtown. maybe I'll start taking cabs/streetcars more often...

Just don't walk around the club district on a friday or Saturday night and should be fine!

and just where exactly do the authorities stand on all this?

It seems that such incidents have become a commonality in the toronto club seen but why hasn't it been made mandatory to have metal detectors installed at every venue with the additional threat of 'failure to comply with the rule that resulted in someone getting seriously injured would result in closure'.

Its amazing how easy it is for people to get away with carrying illegal weapons despite the supposed pressing of gun control laws. I was the only person at this fast food joint over here day before yesterday and i was just about to pay for my order when this guy walked in wearing a scary movie mask jumped over the counter, pulled out a gun and robbed the store ... having never seen a gun used for such purposes before and now seeing it being wielded 3 feet in front of me , i have officially given up walking out at nights alone.

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Originally posted by spitty tougher laws won't do shit. what they need to do is increase the speed that a person gets caught and punished following the crime, and the certainity that they will get caught IF they commit a crime

you're telling me if we start cutting their genitals out wouldn't solve the problem to some degree?

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Originally posted by AC-Milan you're telling me if we start cutting their genitals out wouldn't solve the problem to some degree?

lol..sorry. didn't realize THATS what you meant by tougher laws. Just assumed you were referring to longer sentences and worse jail conditions, which ahs proven not to work.

my bad. i'm sure threat of castration would work in quite a few people

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Originally posted by beef curtains the alcohol laws i this country force everybody out on the street drunk off thier tits at the same time. thats when the trouble starts.

Damned straight.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 as i said the gangsta shit was usually in some dumpy strip mall "club" in rexdale or scarborough. Not in the club district. Furthermore other than spin cat and that space dive (the 2 lowliest places in TO at the time) i cant remember any other shooting at a EDM event back then/

thats cause that shit rarely happens at edm clubs/events.

sorry but imo there is a difference between hiphop/top 40 clubs and edm clubs(nights).

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Originally posted by Euphorica thats cause that shit rarely happens at edm clubs/events. sorry but imo there is a difference between hiphop/top 40 clubs and edm clubs(nights).

Here's a shock, the club district has never been, and never will be, an EDM centralized area.

It's been host to the bars, pubs, and nightclubs that cater to the drunkie.

Can we even name two EDM venues side by side these days??

People try and associate the District with EDM and say, "gee, it's not like the old days" because that's what people on TRIBE and TOTA listen to.

Guess what, those old days existed in warehouses and parking garages.. there has always been knife and gun violence in the district, EDM simply has never been @ the centre of that scene save for a brief spike in popularity the past 8-10 yrs.

I can't ever think of a part of the EDM era that had more than 5-8 relatively successful clubs/nights @ a time. Compare that number to the amount of top-40 and R&B nights/clubs that are successful.

We are the minority in this city.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Here's a shock, the club district has never been, and never will be, an EDM centralized area. It's been host to the bars, pubs, and nightclubs that cater to the drunkie. Can we even name two EDM venues side by side these days?? People try and associate the District with EDM and say, "gee, it's not like the old days" because that's what people on TRIBE and TOTA listen to. Guess what, those old days existed in warehouses and parking garages.. there has always been knife and gun violence in the district, EDM simply has never been @ the centre of that scene save for a brief spike in popularity the past 8-10 yrs. I can't ever think of a part of the EDM era that had more than 5-8 relatively successful clubs/nights @ a time. Compare that number to the amount of top-40 and R&B nights/clubs that are successful. We are the minority in this city.

back in the day it was 80% euro/commercial house with the 20 min hip hop rnb sets a la puff daddy and mace. in fact the first ever clubs in the district were 23 hop and still life which were legendary house nights. i dont remember shootings happening often downtown like they do now. In fact when it happened at G spot which was one of the first primarily hip hop nights on richmond back in 1999 people were really shocked.

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