And who said Goa Trance was dead???

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Posted by PETRAN on Nov-15-2006 00:46:

Oh man the hell with these goa/psy distinctions!!!Goa AND psychedelic trance IS THE SAME u freaks!!!Lol sorry for the explosion...

Posted by Absolut_Vodka on Nov-15-2006 01:09:

wow, there is a distinct difference between what we now call psy and goa. Since psy trance has evolved so much, the definition of what is psy and goa has also changed. Maybe in the earlier times did they have the same meaning and refer to almost the same type of music, but what people now refer to as goa music has almost died out. Only a handful of people that im aware of actually still produce what the majority would consider goa.

Posted by PETRAN on Nov-15-2006 04:08:

Ok, so can someone CLEARLY state what are the differences between psy and goa (sounds,drum-patterns,melodies) and refer to the basic artists who are representative of these two genres? And please... don't say that these goa artists (and hence NOT psy as these two genres are considerably diferent as some of you imply...) are transwave, juno reactor and total eclipse...Because he/she would be totally ignorant!

Yes, i'm almost sure that no-one will do it...You have to accept it people. Calling trance "goa" or "psy" is as different as calling trance "epic" or "uplifting".Even the genre-defying maniac that ishkur is tried that in his "guide", by first stating the classic theory that "psy" was more "synthetic", and relyed on electronic,cold sounds whereas "goa" was more organic, and that it usually demonstarted more warmth and eastern-type melodies. Unfortunately, in the next sentence he admited that this is not the case and stated that: "ok, there is no difference but there is to much good stuff to fit in one genre!"

Obviously, you can't compare stuff from different periods, and use their sounding differences as clear-cut evidence that they belong in seperate genres!It is the genre's evolution in time,rather then the "two-different-genres" hypothesis that contributes to the differences.

Posted by julien2 on Nov-15-2006 04:12:

Absolut vodka is right

and this guy is right:

quote:
well seems like people taking the "dead" too literally.
whenever there is a thread about a genre being "dead" some people counter with "it's not! i heard someone play --- somewhere at some point!"

just because goa is played at a few places doesn't mean it's "alive" but it doesn't mean it's "dead" either.

i think when you read "dead" you should read "not common anymore" because that's what goa is compared to other genres of trance music...

1- Goa and psy-trance are not the same genre. What most people refer to now as goa is actually psy, and most people dont know the difference between psytrance and full-on psytrance, WHICH IS THE MAIN GENRE PLAYED NOW.

2- When refering to a musical genre, the expression dead means its not evolving anymore.

And being a former goa/psy-head myself, I can definitely say it is dead.

Sure, like someone said, you can go out and listen to goa (he means full-on) every week but that doesnt mean its alive.

SO YES. GOA-TRANCE IS DEAD.

And I can actually say that I consider psy/goa/full-on to be dead too

HOWEVER, being dead doesnt necessarily mean you're not good.

I will definitely listen to some goa/psy/full-on tracks sometimes

It is not the same as epic/dutch trance, which is dead, AND very very bad AND a threat to humanity.

Posted by SMC on Nov-15-2006 04:47:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, so can someone CLEARLY state what are the differences between psy and goa (sounds,drum-patterns,melodies) and refer to the basic artists who are representative of these two genres? And please... don't say that these goa artists (and hence NOT psy as these two genres are considerably diferent as some of you imply...) are transwave, juno reactor and total eclipse...Because he/she would be totally ignorant!

Yes, i'm almost sure that no-one will do it...You have to accept it people. Calling trance "goa" or "psy" is as different as calling trance "epic" or "uplifting".Even the genre-defying maniac that ishkur is tried that in his "guide", by first stating the classic theory that "psy" was more "synthetic", and relyed on electronic,cold sounds whereas "goa" was more organic, and that it usually demonstarted more warmth and eastern-type melodies. Unfortunately, in the next sentence he admited that this is not the case and stated that: "ok, there is no difference but there is to much good stuff to fit in one genre!"

Obviously, you can't compare stuff from different periods, and use their sounding differences as clear-cut evidence that they belong in seperate genres!It is the genre's evolution in time,rather then the "two-different-genres" hypothesis that contributes to the differences.

You talk too much. Any sane person who listens to tracks such as Man With No Name - Teleport, Cydonia - Animals, Pleiadians - Asterope, MFG - New Kind Of World, and compares it to random new psytrance will get it.

Posted by PETRAN on Nov-15-2006 05:15:

Oh right so MFG,Pleiadians and Man with no name are goa trance and not psy?!?...

I remember when "The Prophecy" by MFG first went out and everyone, the press, the media,the people, the compilations which contained songs, were refering to them as "Psy-Trance".(ok they were some "goa" compilations that feature their songs, but that's no problem since...they are the.... same!)We were all wrong back then right? All these were goa not psy!Psy was some other(???) artist back then.And you compare modern stuff with stuff from the 90s saying that they belong to different genres?...

I may talk to much BUT you talk to little...

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2006 08:19:

I can't recall that anyone called Astral Projection and MFG psychedelic trance. Everyone called it goa trance back then. Every damn cover of those compilation had indian gods with the word "Distance to goa, Destination Goa, Back to goa...:" etc.
Back then people called the stuff Hallucinogen produced psychedelic trance. It was more twisted and not so melodic such as the stuff from israel.

Posted by Absolut_Vodka on Nov-15-2006 09:20:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, so can someone CLEARLY state what are the differences between psy and goa (sounds,drum-patterns,melodies) and refer to the basic artists who are representative of these two genres?

here's a post a made in a different thread

quote:
Originally posted by Absolut_Vodka
When people speak of goa, they are referring to music of mostly this style

Astral Projection - Kabalah [SAMPLE]
Power Source - Goaway [SAMPLE]
Goasia - Hypernova[SAMPLE]
Filteria - Domestic Modulator[SAMPLE]

and heres some psy, but even thats been sub-divided into full-on, progressive, morning, dark, russian, israeli...it would take an essay to explain the difference between them basically

Cosma - Nonstop [SAMPLE]
Hujaboy - In The Village[SAMPLE]
Slum - Why You Have My Beer? No Problem[SAMPLE]
Audialize - Full on Chaos Magic[SAMPLE]

Posted by Dj_Skez on Nov-15-2006 09:20:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
You talk too much. Any sane person who listens to tracks such as Man With No Name - Teleport, Cydonia - Animals, Pleiadians - Asterope, MFG - New Kind Of World, and compares it to random new psytrance will get it.

Great point, some of you TAs really need to relax with the very long posts. Do you get some satisfaction arguing all day on a forum, just get your point through and then shut the fuck up. It's as simple as that, a lot of these damn arguments go back and forth, page after page. Just turn down you damn ego a notch and remember that you could just be arguing over the net with a serial killer or some random prick with no job , living with his parents who has nothing better to do than nit pick everything you say just to get you stirred up. If I wanted to waste my time arguing over the net, I'd do it with a famous producer like Dave Dresden.

Posted by SMC on Nov-15-2006 13:52:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Oh right so MFG,Pleiadians and Man with no name are goa trance and not psy?!?...

I never say an artist is a genre, because artists obviously produce different styles of music.

quote:

I remember when "The Prophecy" by MFG first went out and everyone, the press, the media,the people, the compilations which contained songs, were refering to them as "Psy-Trance".(ok they were some "goa" compilations that feature their songs, but that's no problem since...they are the.... same!)We were all wrong back then right? All these were goa not psy!Psy was some other(???) artist back then.

Goa was marketed as goa, you can't possibly ignore that. Rebel9 wrote about it.

quote:

And you compare modern stuff with stuff from the 90s saying that they belong to different genres?...

I do.

quote:

I may talk to much BUT you talk to little...

I wrote enough for you to understand that my position differs from yours.

Posted by PETRAN on Nov-15-2006 14:55:

http://www.discogs.com/release/80002

(released 1996 by phonokol). It seems that astral projection didn't describe their sound as goa.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/MFG

"Message From God- PSYTRANCE from Israel"

http://www.discogs.com/release/41400

So, Hallucinogen are "Goa-trance"?

I love how many of you fight for the distinction, but each one of you has a different perception of what goa-trance is and what psy-trance is.

It's true you genre-maniacs there is NO distinction. And the "goa" think in the compilations it's because it sounds easier and cool. There are tones of "psychedelic trance" compilations as well in the 90s that feature the exact same artists!Oh and stop comparing "kabalah" to cosma's "full-on"!!!It;s the evolution of israeli psy-trance that became more "full-on" that contributes to slight sound differences rather then that today's stuff is"psy" and the 90s stuff was only goa and we were all wrong back then, when we were experiencing the whole think in it's explosion!(Astral projection and MFG were playing in greece every week back then heh).Cheers.

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2006 15:03:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
http://www.discogs.com/release/80002

(released 1996 by phonokol). It seems that astral projection didn't describe their sound as goa.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/MFG

"Message From God- PSYTRANCE from Israel"

http://www.discogs.com/release/41400

So, Hallucinogen are "Goa-trance"?

I love how many of you fight for the distinction, but each one of you has a different perception of what goa-trance is and what psy-trance is.

It's true you genre-maniacs there is NO distinction. And the "goa" think in the compilations it's because it sounds easier and cool. There are tones of "psychedelic trance" compilations as well in the 90s that feature the exact same artists!Oh and stop comparing "kabalah" to cosma's "full-on"!!!It;s the evolution of israeli psy-trance that became more "full-on" that contributes to slight sound differences rather then that today's stuff is"psy" and the 90s stuff was only goa and we were all wrong back then, when we were experiencing the whole think in it's explosion!(Astral projection and MFG were playing in greece every week back then heh).Cheers.

read the description of each of every release by Astral and MFG on the discogs page. They are all labelled as goa.

Posted by Sykonee on Nov-15-2006 17:27:

Guys! Guys! (and gals if you are lurking this thread)

Can't we all just get along!!??

Psychedelic Goa Trance

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2006 19:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Sykonee
Guys! Guys! (and gals if you are lurking this thread)

Can't we all just get along!!??

Psychedelic Goa Trance

it still says "style goa trance" ;P

Posted by PETRAN on Nov-15-2006 22:35:

Yes, it doesn't matter u know...the labelling in discogs is arbitrary, since goa and psy was the same!Read the description in MFG 's page it says psychedelic trance and the description in Hallucinogen's page says goa-trance as well!(and NOT psy as you implied before). Most important, the compilation released by phonokol and compiled by atral projection themselves states "israeli psychedelic trance". This , moreover then discogs, demonstrates that astral perceived themselves (and all the other groups in the compilation, including MFG)as Psy-trance. Have you been in psy-trance back then?I was, and i can assure you with 1000% significance that psy and goa are the saammmeeeeeeeee.LOOOL.

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2006 22:53:

Posted by Whirloop on Nov-15-2006 22:56:

wasn't all electronic dance music genres poorly defined in the begining anyway?

i mean "back then" many genres shared the same title like progressive trance and melodic trance was kinda mixed up into one "trance" genre (even sound-wise).
but now the sounds have clearly evolved into something we can tell the differencies between so why not label them differently?

Posted by RebeL9 on Nov-15-2006 22:58:

and if you are going to go by the cover of a CD then just check out all Future Trance CDs containing Scooter and Lasgo. and all those Techno hits CDs with more scooter

Posted by Magnus on Nov-15-2006 23:13:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
read old interviews with Astral Projection, they described their music as goa trance.
and if you still want to nag just go to www.isratrance.com and ask. and we'll see what they have to say.

Exactly what I was going to say. This discussion is good but its happening on a forum about trance music. Head over to the isratrance.com forums or the psynews.org forums and see what they have to say.

Posted by julien2 on Nov-15-2006 23:22:

Trance music and all its sub-genres is dying/dead.

Get over it.

Now look for the nu/neo-trance. Thats good shit.

Posted by Purple on Nov-15-2006 23:27:

Who said Goa is dead? Sensation White is coming there in 2007:

http://www.sensation-white.com/port...emid=62&lang=en

Posted by SMC on Nov-15-2006 23:31:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Yes, it doesn't matter u know...the labelling in discogs is arbitrary, since goa and psy was the same!Read the description in MFG 's page it says psychedelic trance and the description in Hallucinogen's page says goa-trance as well!(and NOT psy as you implied before). Most important, the compilation released by phonokol and compiled by atral projection themselves states "israeli psychedelic trance". This , moreover then discogs, demonstrates that astral perceived themselves (and all the other groups in the compilation, including MFG)as Psy-trance. Have you been in psy-trance back then?I was, and i can assure you with 1000% significance that psy and goa are the saammmeeeeeeeee.LOOOL.

You just don't get it. No one has denied goa trance is or can be psychadelic, but psychadelic is not necessarily goa, and nowdays it's almost never goa. Goa trance is a style whose characteristics, according to some, makes it worthy of an own designation. The purpose of expanding the pool of words and designation in language is for people to better understand each other, when i tell someone about a new track and say it's goa trance the person i'm talking to will hopefully understand that it's a tune with big eastern-sounding melodies and other things which he associates to goa trance, and that it's not an euphoric full-on tune.

It's like if i tell someone that i'm eating a banana, then he knows exactly what i'm eating, it's yellow, it has a certain shape, it tastes like a banana. Or i could tell him i'm eating a fruit, then he knows that i'm eating a banana/apple/pear/orange/peach/apricot/melon/watermelon/etc, he knows it looks like a banana/apple/pear/orange/peach/apricot/melon/watermelon/etc, he knows it tastes like a banana/apple/pear/orange/peach/apricot/melon/watermelon/etc. In other words it's fairly useless information.

So if you don't wanna use the words goa trance or think they have no significance, that's fine, but i don't understand why you have to insist on telling others they shouldn't, that it's wrong, etc. We who refer to a certain type of music as "goa trance" do it because we're pleased with how it improves communication regarding the subject.

And i'm sorry Dj_Skez, but i have no job and i do live with my mom. However, i'm no serial killer.

Posted by Whirloop on Nov-15-2006 23:35:

quote:
Originally posted by julien2
Trance music and all its sub-genres is dying/dead.

Get over it.

Now look for the nu/neo-trance. Thats good shit.

please give examples.
i'm intrested in good shit.

Posted by justin on Nov-15-2006 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Whirloop
please give examples.
i'm intrested in good shit.

x2

I really wanna know what Neo Trance is.

Posted by julien2 on Nov-15-2006 23:49:

quote:
please give examples.
i'm intrested in good shit.

lol. love your attitude.

start digging through the Extrawelt tracks. Then head towards James Holden and Nathan Fake (tho Fake has a genre to himself, not really coined yet).

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