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Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-20-2006 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Whachu talkin bout Willis?

I saw the Wii and 360 at Best Buy, and I played the PS3 myself at work. The PS3 kills both in the graphics department.


no i believe you, it's just that those "my sony is better than your microsoft/ninendo and vice versa" comments are pretty childish and overdone.


Posted by Vlad on Nov-20-2006 22:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
no i believe you, it's just that those "my sony is better than your microsoft/ninendo and vice versa" comments are pretty childish and overdone.



lol, I wouldnt voice my opinion had I not had first hand visual evidence of them at work.

I think the PS3 is better in the long run too because of the blue ray player.


Posted by ASFSE on Nov-20-2006 22:15:

i heard on the radio that the blue ray player and the other one(which is in the 360) are nearly identical and that to the average consumer the players will not make a diffrence. the only time it will make a diffrenece is if you have a huge ass tv and you sit right in front of it. im not to keen on all the terminolgy so forgive me if i fucked somthing up.


Posted by Vlad on Nov-20-2006 22:17:

quote:
Originally posted by ASFSE
i heard on the radio that the blue ray player and the other one(which is in the 360) are nearly identical and that to the average consumer the players will not make a diffrence. the only time it will make a diffrenece is if you have a huge ass tv and you sit right in front of it. im not to keen on all the terminolgy so forgive me if i fucked somthing up.



movies are gonna be changing format to blue ray dvd's.


Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-20-2006 22:19:

i bought a pair of sunglasses that are worth the same as the ps3 a week ago haha. A bit more actually.


Posted by Vlad on Nov-20-2006 22:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
i bought a pair of sunglasses that are worth the same as the ps3 a week ago haha. A bit more actually.



Why the fuck would you do that, thats retarded. Your ass probably got ripped the fuck off.


Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-20-2006 22:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Why the fuck would you do that, thats retarded. Your ass probably got ripped the fuck off.


they're Cartier, far from being ripped off. And i use sunglasses more than i'de use a ps3.


Posted by Vlad on Nov-20-2006 22:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
they're Cartier, far from being ripped off.



They better have lens whipers, a hankercheif, and a personal ball washer.


Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-20-2006 22:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
They better have lens whipers, a hankercheif, and a personal ball washer.



hahaha they're pretty sick..platinum frames. My eyeglasses are Cartier as well, so i wanted them to be a pair.


Posted by Googooly on Nov-20-2006 22:26:

hahahah


it kinda sucks that you have to spend SO much money to look cool. I can do that with half half half half amount. :-]


Posted by DjConfessions on Nov-20-2006 22:27:

blu ray were doing horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrifuckingbly compared to HD-DVD before Playstation 3.
http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm
Before the playstation 3 was released, the top selling (reserve,w/e) Blu Ray disc was Superman Returns at rank ~#1100 and the top selling for HD-DVD was Superman Returns at ~#150

I've read that both formats may fail to the new 10-layer DVDs?


Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-20-2006 22:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Googooly
hahahah


it kinda sucks that you have to spend SO much money to look cool. I can do that with half half half half amount. :-]


it has nothing to do with spending so much to look cool, it's spending because i like fine things. i look cool either way. youre still an idiot and you cant change that no matter what you spend..kinda sucks.


Posted by Googooly on Nov-20-2006 22:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
it has nothing to do with spending so much to look cool, it's spending because i like fine things. i look cool either way. youre still an idiot and you cant change that no matter what you spend..kinda sucks.



chilllllllllllll the fuck out dudeeee....you seems pretty messed up, lol.


Posted by Danny Ocean on Nov-20-2006 22:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Googooly
chilllllllllllll the fuck out dudeeee....you seems pretty messed up, lol.


lol, yeah i'm messed up. the irony.


Posted by Yan on Nov-21-2006 04:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
The PS3 kills both in the graphics department.


To be honest, the best looking game out right now happens to be on the 360 - Gears of War.

In the long run, PS3 will look better.

But HONESTLY... looks aren't everything.


Posted by malek on Nov-21-2006 04:33:

HD-DVD will kill the blu-ray, no fucking doubt about that.

Cheaper players, cheaper fabrication process and cheaper media will always win against more expensive technologies, even if they're superior.


Posted by emc^2 on Nov-21-2006 04:44:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
HD-DVD will kill the blu-ray, no fucking doubt about that.

Cheaper players, cheaper fabrication process and cheaper media will always win against more expensive technologies, even if they're superior.


tru dat, tru dat. Let's not forget the ever infamous "Betamax", "Memory Stick", "MD" (minidisk).... I guess Sony never friggin learns...

"The VHS format's defeat of the Betamax format became a classic marketing case study, now identified with the verbal phrase "to Betamax", wherein a proprietary technology format is overwhelmed in the market by a format allowing multiple, competing, licensed manufacturers. Sony's confidence in its ability to dictate an industry standard backfired when JVC, and parent Matsushita, made the tactical decision to forego Sony's offer of Betamax in favour of JVC's VHS technology. They felt that it would end up like U-Matic deal: Sony dominating, and they get the scraps. By 1984, forty companies utilized the VHS format in comparison with Beta's twelve. Sony finally conceded defeat in 1988 when it too began producing VHS recorders. However, Sony may be said to have had some small consolation in this saga as its Video-8 small-format videotape is essentially a scaled-down version of the Betamax, and Video-8 dominated the home camcorder format for the next 15 years with the rival VHS-C format only gaining a small market share before both formats were rendered obsolete by the digital MiniDV standard."

and...

"A multitude of technical drawbacks along with the proprietary nature of the Betamax format hurt it in its competition with VHS, in spite of the Betamax's superior video quality. Other proprietary formats from Sony, such as MiniDisc, MemoryStick, UMD, ATRAC and Blu-ray, have since been similarly criticized."

source: wikipedia

BLEW RAY will be yet another item on Sony's long list of superior technological devices that have flopped. You figure after all these years they'd learn. Oh well.... IBM thought so too. Look where they are now in terms of PC sales (not counting my favorite ThinkPad - which DOES RULE. tHE ONly IBM product that I can say safely "it doesn't suck")... The name alone will cause it to fail miserably in Southern US. I can see it now, redneck at walmart: "Um, do you have "BLEW RAY" version of 'Days of Thunder'?" - "Um... sir, I don't think anyone BLEW RAY in DAYS OF THUNDER. Could I possibly interest you in a 'Brokeback Mountain'?"

or

- "Hey Billy-Bob, I got that nifty BLEW RAY in PEE-ASS 3!"
- "Eww Bobby Joe, don't tell me you're one of them homosexuals that watches them gay movies with pissing!"

it will happen. I guarantee it.


Posted by malek on Nov-21-2006 04:58:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
BLEW RAY in DAYS OF THUNDER.



Posted by astroboy on Nov-21-2006 06:39:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
tru dat, tru dat. Let's not forget the ever infamous "Betamax", "Memory Stick", "MD" (minidisk).... I guess Sony never friggin learns...

"The VHS format's defeat of the Betamax format became a classic marketing case study, now identified with the verbal phrase "to Betamax", wherein a proprietary technology format is overwhelmed in the market by a format allowing multiple, competing, licensed manufacturers. Sony's confidence in its ability to dictate an industry standard backfired when JVC, and parent Matsushita, made the tactical decision to forego Sony's offer of Betamax in favour of JVC's VHS technology. They felt that it would end up like U-Matic deal: Sony dominating, and they get the scraps. By 1984, forty companies utilized the VHS format in comparison with Beta's twelve. Sony finally conceded defeat in 1988 when it too began producing VHS recorders. However, Sony may be said to have had some small consolation in this saga as its Video-8 small-format videotape is essentially a scaled-down version of the Betamax, and Video-8 dominated the home camcorder format for the next 15 years with the rival VHS-C format only gaining a small market share before both formats were rendered obsolete by the digital MiniDV standard."

and...

"A multitude of technical drawbacks along with the proprietary nature of the Betamax format hurt it in its competition with VHS, in spite of the Betamax's superior video quality. Other proprietary formats from Sony, such as MiniDisc, MemoryStick, UMD, ATRAC and Blu-ray, have since been similarly criticized."

source: wikipedia

BLEW RAY will be yet another item on Sony's long list of superior technological devices that have flopped. You figure after all these years they'd learn. Oh well.... IBM thought so too. Look where they are now in terms of PC sales (not counting my favorite ThinkPad - which DOES RULE. tHE ONly IBM product that I can say safely "it doesn't suck")... The name alone will cause it to fail miserably in Southern US. I can see it now, redneck at walmart: "Um, do you have "BLEW RAY" version of 'Days of Thunder'?" - "Um... sir, I don't think anyone BLEW RAY in DAYS OF THUNDER. Could I possibly interest you in a 'Brokeback Mountain'?"

or

- "Hey Billy-Bob, I got that nifty BLEW RAY in PEE-ASS 3!"
- "Eww Bobby Joe, don't tell me you're one of them homosexuals that watches them gay movies with pissing!"

it will happen. I guarantee it.


I don't know much about blu-ray, but I agree in so far as Sony has a stupidly short-sighted approach to developing technologies. It's a real pity, because proprietary issues aside, they are capable of producing some nice devices. I don't know whether it's their greed or their music and movie production subsidiaries that drive them to proprietary formats, but either way it harms their bottom line.


Posted by DjConfessions on Nov-21-2006 18:29:

quote:
Originally posted by astroboy
I don't know whether it's their greed or their music and movie production subsidiaries that drive them to proprietary formats, but either way it harms their bottom line.



greed?
quote:

1. Betamax vs. VHS -

JVC: Hey! We've got this new video format that we can release movies on for home video! Anyone wanna get in on it? No licensing fees and the casettes are easy to produce!
Sony: We've got a better format! Screw JVC and their VHS. Our Betamax offers much better picture and sound which is what these new people called "Home Theater Enthusiasts will like!"
Industry: Betamax sounds great to us. That and VHS will offer the possibility of copying movies. It'll be the downfall of the industry. Fuck VHS.
Sony: Yeah. Now let's talk about royalties for every cassette and player sold.
Industry: So how about that VHS?
Consumers with Betamax: Grumble, grumble, grumble.

2. Minidisc

Sony: Hey! We've got this new audio format! It's small, compact, is relatively skip free and the quality is just as good as a standard compact disc!
Industry: Sounds great! People are always complaining about discs skipping due to vibration and whatnot, and these discs having protective cases over them in order to prevent damage is a genius idea! We'll start producing discs immediately!
Sony: Yeah. Now let's talk about royalties for every disc and player sold.
Industry: So the CD is a great format that never skips and never gets damaged!
Consumers with Minidisc: Grumble, grumble, grumble.

3. DVD
Consumers: We need a new format. Laserdisc is too goddamn big, and people don't like it. VHS is very long in the tooth and digital video seems like it's the way to go.
Industry: How about this DVD format? It's pretty cool. Offers all the features of Laserdisc in a much smaller package.
Sony: Great! Now let's talk about royalties for every disc and player sold.
Industry: Oh fuck you! It's an open format! You chose to get in on it.
Sony: Grumble, grumble, grumble.
Consumers: New format! Wide support! Yay!!
DVD Producers: See what happens when we all cooperate?
Fox/Disney/Paramount: We've got this new format called Divx that you have to rent the discs from us for each play...
Consumers: Oh fuck you guys.
Fox/Disney/Paramount: Yeah. Bad idea. Our bad.

4. SACD
DVD-Consortium: Hey! We've got this new format for music called DVD-Audio! It offers insanely high resolution sound and 5.1 channel output! It will be a great musical compliment to all the installed 5.1 channel sound systems that are out there now. And the installed base will only get higher!
RIAA: Sounds good! We like the fact that it's a lot harder to copy than CD's as well!
Sony: We've got a better format! It's called SACD. It offers "higher" quality sound than DVD-Audio and it has a more recognizable name: SUPER audio cd! The super means better!
RIAA: Yeah! Screw DVD and their audio! People associate DVD with VIDEO! Fuck that noise!
Sony: Yeah. Now let's talk about royalties for every disc and player sold.
RIAA: So how about that DVD-Audio? I've heard that it can even carry a video signal?
Consumers: Huh? DVD-Audio won't play in DVD players? SACD won't play in DVD audio players? Fuck this. I'm not buying either.
Psimitry: BUY THE PIONEER COMBO PLAYER! IT PLAYS BOTH AND THE FORMATS ARE BOTH INCREDIBLE!! HELLO?!?!?

5. PSP movie
Sony: Hey! We've got this new portable game player out there! It has a great high resolution small screen. It could in theory be used as a media player. We're going to allow you guys to release movies on it!
Industry: Sounds good to us! Any time we can sell more movies is a good thing!
Sony: Yeah. Now let's talk about royalties for every disc sold.
Industry: Y'know... we're getting sick of you and your royalties. Fuck you. See if you can sell this thing based on ONLY your own fucking library of titles.
Sony: We will! You'll be sorry!
Industry (after reading sales figures): LOL
Sony: Grumble, grumble, grumble.
Consumers with PSP: Grumble, grumble, grumble.

6. Blu-Ray
Movie Industry: We need a new video format. Nevermind that DVD is still selling insanely well. HDTV's are big time on the rise and we need a HD video format to go alongside them.
NEC: Howabout if we just re-tool the current DVD software to increase compression? That way we can use the exact same discs, exact same production facilities, and the only thing that needs to change is the players?
Industry: Good idea, but we want a new format. Not a new software.
Toshiba: How about this new HD-DVD format? It offers really high resolution, a high capacity disc, and it only needs minor retooling of manufacturing lines?
Sony: Fuck them. Their shit sucks and has always sucked. We have this Blu-Ray disc. It uses a blue laser in order to read much higher densities of data and can fit a ton more data on the disc. Like Betamax before it, it offers much higher video and sound quality than that lame-ass HD-DVD stuff. And we're making the PS3 a Blu-Ray player so you'll already have a huge installed user base. 'Cause if the Ps1 and Ps2 are any indication, the PS3 is going to sell like MAD! (as long as people don't pay attention to the cash register when they're buying it)
Industry: Seriously. Fuck them. They should have designed format with higher capacity in the first place. And we love the name! People LOVE the color blue!
Sony: Yeah. Now let's talk royalties for every disc and player sold. In addition, let's talk complete retooling of manufacturing lines that we will also collect royalties from.
Industry: GODDAMMIT SONY! FUCK YOUR ROYALTIES! WILL YOU NEVER LEARN?! YOU HAVE ALWA-
Sony: Our format is much harder to copy than HD-DVD
3/4 of Industry: So let's talk royalties for every disc and player sold.
Consumers: but what about us? These DRM bits of blu-ray are a pain in the ass!
3/4 of Industry: Fuck you guys.

Prediction:
Consumers with Blu-Ray: Well... our format won. But this format still kinda sucks. Grumble, grumble, grumble.
Consumers with HD-DVD: those Blu-Ray buying ******s should have listened to us! Oh well. Let's go play our Wii!


Posted by Yan on Nov-21-2006 19:44:

I hope everyone remembers that one half of the thanks we should be giving out for having compact discs goes to Sony...


Posted by astroboy on Nov-22-2006 08:06:

quote:
Originally posted by DjConfessions
greed?

LOL where is that from?


Posted by emc^2 on Nov-25-2006 00:02:

LOL at format wars post! tho, I doubt that HD-DVD/BLURAY will take off, simply because there's no ripping crack ATM. You can't rent bluray/HD-DVD yet from netflix (let alone rip it to your HD).

Fukkk that! Oh, and about DVD-A: my car came with DVD-A capable player. Great concept.. just one problem... NO FRIGGIN TITLES ARE AVAILABLE FOR IT!!!! There must be under 50 DVD-A titles ONLY!!! Half of them are YANNI. the rest is some crappy hippy music! I wish Acura gave me damn MP3 capability instead of useless DVD-A that is on its way out the door anyway! bummer.


Posted by infinity HiGH on Nov-25-2006 08:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Yan
The Wii is quite in stock this year. No need to rush, folks.


heheh, i thought so too before it launched...so much for that though, eh?

edit: speaking of DVD Audio. I too wish that more artists would release their music on DVD Audio, taking advantage of the extra space to encode the music in 5.1 Dolby Digital. After listening to Hawtin's DE9 Transitions, everything else just seems so lifeless.


Posted by Fast Turtle on Nov-25-2006 10:35:

i'm gonna wait until linux is stable on the wii...then use it upstairs as a second computer with a tv for browsing the internet, etc.


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