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Originally posted by Slow Motion It's the fault of the kid and the campus police (I call them Rent-a-Cops)... Battle of egos. The RentaCops had tasers.... he had a mouth... who's gonna win? Not that their actions were justified. I think they took it to far. Common sense people. The racial profiling card is thrown to charge the entire situation with more political BS than is called for. Same with the idiot kid for screaming something about Homeland security. The ID situation with the kid is inconsequential. Most Universities, for security purposes will ask for ID. They are private or State property and are well within their rights. At my college Pre-9-11... One could not enter our library without ID under any circumstances. Due to a rape in past years. That said, this will be big news.... the cops will be fired and the kid will sue the university for a large some of money and will be settled before it goes to trial. Hypothetical question: What would you do as a security guard, if there had been a bomb scare the week prior at UCLA, and some teen-aged male of Middle Eastern-decent refused to produce ID when entering a building with a hundred students present? Would you profile him? Just made me think about things that run through people's heads.

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Phillip Zimbardo The Stanford prison experiment was a landmark psychological study of the human response to captivity, in particular, to the real world circumstances of prison life, and the effects of imposed social roles on behavior. It was conducted in 1971 by a team of researchers led by Philip Zimbardo of Stanford University.

When people are given authority (i.e: given the role of police officers) they can react in so many inappropiate ways. For ages, There has been a history of "reported" violence from authorities to minorities. I think it's mostly about what Zoenfiend talked about. Some racial groups are more violent than others.

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Originally posted by diggerz I need to tackle this response later... I agree with most of it though,

w3rd.

I guess I deserve to be zapped a zillion times while I'm cuffed on the library floor too then for refusing to be profiled. Not willing to participate in my own profiling = desrving of brutality.

I suppose those of you faulting the kid for having a sack and some selfrespect also think concentration camps (or 'detainment centers' if you wan to be PC) for the Japanese during was also legitimate. "Hey, those Japos had it coming!"

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I guess I deserve to be zapped a zillion times while I'm cuffed on the library floor too then for refusing to be profiled. Not willing to participate in my own profiling = desrving of brutality. I suppose those of you faulting the kid for having a sack and some selfrespect also think concentration camps (or 'detainment centers' if you wan to be PC) for the Japanese during was also legitimate. "Hey, those Japos had it coming!"

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Originally posted by Slow Motion It's the fault of the kid and the campus police (I call them Rent-a-Cops)... Battle of egos. The RentaCops had tasers.... he had a mouth... who's gonna win? Not that their actions were justified. I think they took it to far. Common sense people. The racial profiling card is thrown to charge the entire situation with more political BS than is called for. Same with the idiot kid for screaming something about Homeland security. The ID situation with the kid is inconsequential. Most Universities, for security purposes will ask for ID. They are private or State property and are well within their rights. At my college Pre-9-11... One could not enter our library without ID under any circumstances. Due to a rape in past years. That said, this will be big news.... the cops will be fired and the kid will sue the university for a large some of money and will be settled before it goes to trial. Hypothetical question: What would you do as a security guard, if there had been a bomb scare the week prior at UCLA, and some teen-aged male of Middle Eastern-decent refused to produce ID when entering a building with a hundred students present? Would you profile him? Just made me think about things that run through people's heads.

The individual did not help the situation with his actions or words. However, the campus officers were not security guards or privately trained. They are certified law enforcement officers that have to conform to the same code of conduct and procedures that any law enforcement official in California has to. And from what I read in the CCI, their code of conduct is not much different as the one that TCLEOSE certified officers must abide by.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z also think concentration camps (or 'detainment centers' if you wan to be PC) for the Japanese during was also legitimate. "Hey, those Japos had it coming!"

The Japanese had their own concentration camps for captured american and phillipino troops; this may be debatable, but I doubt any attrocities that may have occured our at American detainment centers were even a 10th of what occured at the Japanese camps (ie death marches, starvation, public executions)

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Originally posted by Matthias The Japanese had their own concentration camps for captured american and phillipino troops; this may be debatable, but I doubt any attrocities that may have occured our at American detainment centers were even a 10th of what occured at the Japanese camps (ie death marches, starvation, public executions) 0.02

Well, yes. The Japanese were pretty fucking brutal during WW2, especially towards the Chinese. Two wrongs still don't make a right though.

EDIT: I saw you open for Ferry Corsten @ Sky, nice!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: I saw you open for Ferry Corsten @ Sky, nice!

Thanks bro, that gig was alot of fun. I've missed playing out in Austin

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I guess I deserve to be zapped a zillion times while I'm cuffed on the library floor too then for refusing to be profiled. Not willing to participate in my own profiling = desrving of brutality. I suppose those of you faulting the kid for having a sack and some selfrespect also think concentration camps (or 'detainment centers' if you wan to be PC) for the Japanese during was also legitimate. "Hey, those Japos had it coming!"

No one is saying that at all. I truly believe that no matter what the kid had done, he would have been in a 'no win' situation. But, let me give some words of wisdom to all. I tell you this knowing what goes through a law enforcement officers mind. They look at what happens to police officers nationwide and only collect the negative information. It's a defense mechanism, as wrong as it may be, that prepares them for the 8 to 10 hours that they have on their next shift. I am, by no means, saying this is right on their part. I am only telling you how tuned up they are when they hit the beat for the next shift. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you feel threatened or that your civil rights will be violated, think about what is going to be the path of least resistence and go in that direction. All of the incident will be captured on video and will work to your benefit, regardless of what you do. It's a matter of keeping your senses about you and keeping in mind that for that moment, the officers will have the power, but only for that moment. You have the power to manipulate the situation if you can put your pride aside and quit thinking that because you have a partial or full college education that you can dictate to them how the scenario plays out. I will tell you that I would laugh at these 20-somethings that I arrested that would try to control a situation with me by telling me that they know their right, by virtue of of the college eduation that they either have receieved or are currently receiving. Not all LE officers have only their GED. I have two undergrads and an MBA. At the time I was a working the job I had completed my first degree (my junior year). So, just think about the situation, stay calm, and use common sense about what is best for you in that moment.

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Originally posted by djjonas No one is saying that at all. I truly believe that no matter what the kid had done, he would have been in a 'no win' situation. But, let me give some words of wisdom to all. I tell you this knowing what goes through a law enforcement officers mind. They look at what happens to police officers nationwide and only collect the negative information. It's a defense mechanism, as wrong as it may be, that prepares them for the 8 to 10 hours that they have on their next shift. I am, by no means, saying this is right on their part. I am only telling you how tuned up they are when they hit the beat for the next shift. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you feel threatened or that your civil rights will be violated, think about what is going to be the path of least resistence and go in that direction. All of the incident will be captured on video and will work to your benefit, regardless of what you do. It's a matter of keeping your senses about you and keeping in mind that for that moment, the officers will have the power, but only for that moment. You have the power to manipulate the situation if you can put your pride aside and quit thinking that because you have a partial or full college education that you can dictate to them how the scenario plays out. I will tell you that I would laugh at these 20-somethings that I arrested that would try to control a situation with me by telling me that they know their right, by virtue of of the college eduation that they either have receieved or are currently receiving. Not all LE officers have only their GED. I have two undergrads and an MBA. At the time I was a working the job I had completed my first degree (my junior year). So, just think about the situation, stay calm, and use common sense about what is best for you in that moment.

I can't disagree that being more street smart and cool headed is generally more desirable in an unfavourable situation. At the same time though, I don't think Americans should have to worry about their body potentially being an insulator for upto 50,000 volts of low-amperage electricity at the discretion of law enforcement, or any other authority figure. Not in the absense of a physical threat, especially on a college campus for failure to present an ID. Don't take it the wrong way, I'm certainly not suggesting you implied that .

I'm all for putting down officers execution style they only serve themselves just like Jonas said they only think about the bad. Fuck the path of least resistence stand up for yourself. I sure have, and I've gotten my ass kicked by police officers. And they turned the camera off on a 'routine traffic stop' only so they could physically abuse me then lie about it in their report. I say kill them all let Satan sort them out.

No doubt he will claim all of their souls. not a single one will be saved.

That's the spirit Zild . I can't honestly say what I would do if I was in a situation like that. I'm very patient, but can only tolerate so much disrespect. I certainly wouldn't let anyone, don't care how big or intimidating they are, trample all over my dignity. I've lashed out before when my buttons were being pressed. But the reason I'd want to avoid that, especially when it comes to a cop, isn't only to avoid legal complications, but the fact that I could end up seriously injure someone. I did Wushu (the flowery eyecandy you see in Hong Kong Kung Fu flicks with no practical application) for 2 yrs, but in combination with working out with some of a couple of real martial artists and learning from them. That really makes me want to avoid confrontations of any type. One of them was a guy who lived in my dorm and was trained by Shaolin monks (how badass is that!) The other, a buddy of mine, started training in various southern Kung Fu styles (including Wing Chun), Chin Na, and different Japanese grappling systems since the age of four. The fact that I've gotton lazy and haven't practiced for over a year now would only encourage me to minimize risks. I typically go for the throat, eyes, groin, temple, shins, and other areas that could end up in serious injuries, even fatal, to begin with. So if I got into a physical confrontation, I seriously doubt my natural response wouldn't be a critical strike.

EDIT: Plus, I'm not a big guy, only 5'8, or the stongest or most intimidating person. Another reason I fight fairly dirty if I have to, to end the fight as quickly as possible at minimal expense to myself.

Especially if I'm out numbered I should add.

The one time I called the cops to help me get a belligerent asshole out of my apartment they arrested ME and let him just go into my apartment and hang out while I had to go make new friends in holding. Then I had to go back with four people, break my own door down and throw his ass out myself because the cops still wouldn't help. With no clothes I might add. I made the ****** take off walking with no shoes and no shirt.

Wow, that blows man. I didn't know SAPD were such dicks.

I was actually living in Austin at the time.

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