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| Originally posted by St_Andrew "I would like to thank many people. My doctors, nurses and hospital staff who are doing all they can for me, the British police who are pursuing my case with vigour and professionalism and are watching over me and my family. I would like to thank the British government for taking me under their care. I am honoured to be a British citizen. I would like to thank the British public for their messages of support and for the interest they have shown in my plight. I thank my wife Marina, who has stood by me. My love for her and our son knows no bounds. But as I lie here I can distinctly hear the beating of wings of the angel of death. I may be able to give him the slip but I have to say my legs do not run as fast as I would like. I think, therefore, that this may be the time to say one or two things to the person responsible for my present condition. You may succeed in silencing me but that silence comes at a price. You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed. You have shown yourself to have no respect for life, liberty or any civilised value. You have shown yourself to be unworthy of your office, to be unworthy of the trust of civilised men and women. You may succeed in silencing one man but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life. May God forgive you for what you have done, not only to me but to beloved Russia and its people." - Alexander Litvinenko 21 November 2006 |
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| Originally posted by TranceGiant Source? In the day and age of internet fakes and rumors you never know. |
PUTIN DID IT!
Former russian PM might have been poisoned 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16087859/
This is a fascinating story to watch unfold.
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www.STRATFOR.com By George Friedman The recent death of a former Russian intelligence agent, Alexander Litvinenko, apparently after being poisoned with polonium-210, raises three interesting questions. First: Was he poisoned by the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), the successor to the KGB? Second: If so, what were they trying to achieve? Third: Why were they using polonium-210, instead of other poisons the KGB used in the past? In short, the question is, what in the world is going on? Litvinenko would seem to have cut a traditional figure in Russian and Soviet history, at least on the surface. The first part of his life was spent as a functionary of the state. Then, for reasons that are not altogether clear, he became an exile and a strident critic of the state he had served. He published two books that made explosive allegations about the FSB and President Vladimir Putin, and he recently had been investigating the shooting death of a Russian journalist, Anna Politkovskaya, who also was a critic of the Putin government. Clearly, he was intent on stirring up trouble for Moscow. Russian and Soviet tradition on this is clear: Turncoats like Litvinenko must be dealt with, for two reasons. First, they represent an ongoing embarrassment to the state. And second, if they are permitted to continue with their criticisms, they will encourage other dissidents -- making it appear that, having once worked for the FSB, you can settle safely in a city like London and hurl thunderbolts at the Motherland with impunity. The state must demonstrate that this will not be permitted to happen, that turncoats will be dealt with no matter what the circumstances. The death of Litvinenko, then, certainly makes sense from a political perspective. But it is the perspective of the old Soviet Union -- not of the new Russia that many believed was being born, slowly and painfully, with economic opening some 15 years ago. This does not mean, however, that the killing would not serve a purpose for the Russian administration, in the current geopolitical context. For years, we have been forecasting and following the transformation of Russia under Vladimir Putin. Putin became president of Russia to reverse the catastrophe of the Yeltsin years. Under communism, Russia led an empire that was relatively poor but enormously powerful in the international system. After the fall of Communism, Russia lost its empire, stopped being enormously powerful, and became even poorer than before. Though Westerners celebrated the fall of communism and the Soviet Union, these turned out to be, for most Russians, a catastrophe with few mitigating tradeoffs. Obviously, the new Russia was of enormous benefit to a small class of entrepreneur, led by what became known as the oligarchs. These men appeared to be the cutting edge of capitalism in Russia. They were nothing of the sort. They were simply people who knew how to game the chaos of the fall of communism, figuring out how to reverse Soviet expropriation with private expropriation. The ability to turn state property into their own property represented free enterprise only to the most superficial or cynical viewers. The West was filled with both in the 1990s. Many academics and journalists saw the process going on in Russia as the painful birth of a new liberal democracy. Western financial interests saw it as a tremendous opportunity to tap into the enormous value of a collapsing empire. The critical thing is that the creation of value, the justification of capitalism, was not what was going on. Rather, the expropriation of existing value was the name of the game. Bankers loved it, analysts misunderstood it, and the Russians were crushed by it. It was this kind of chaos into which Putin stepped when he became president, and which he has slowly, inexorably, been bringing to heel for several years. This is the context in which Litvinenko's death -- which, admittedly, raises many questions -- must be understood. The Andropov Doctrine Let's go back to Yuri Andropov, who was the legendary head of the KGB in the 1970s and early 1980s and the man who first realized that the Soviet Union was in massive trouble. Alone of all institutions in the world, the KGB had the clearest idea of the condition of the Soviet Union. Andropov realized in the early 1980s that the Soviet economy was failing and that, with economic failure, it would collapse. Andropov knew that the exploitation of Western innovation had always been vital to the Soviet economy. The KGB had been tasked with economic and technical espionage in the West. Rather than developing their own technology, in many instances, the Soviets innovated by stealing Western technology via the KGB, essentially using the KGB as an R&D system. Andropov understood just how badly the Soviet Union needed this innovation and how inefficient the Soviet kleptocracy was. Andropov engineered a new concept. If the Soviet Union was to survive, it had to forge a new relationship with the West. The regime needed not only Western technology, but also Western-style management systems and, above all, Western capital. Andropov realized clearly that so long as the Soviet Union was perceived as a geopolitical threat to the West and, particularly, to the United States, this transfer was not going to take place. Therefore, the Soviet Union had to shift its global strategy and stop threatening Western geopolitical interests. The Andropov doctrine argued that the Soviet Union could not survive if it did not end, or at least mitigate, the Cold War. Furthermore, if it was to entice Western investment and utilize that investment efficiently, it needed to do two things. First, there had to be a restructuring of the Soviet economy (perestroika). Second, the Soviet system had to be opened to accept innovation (glasnost). Andropov's dream for the Soviet Union never really took hold during his lifetime, as he died several months after becoming the Soviet leader. He was replaced by a non-entity, Konstantin Chernenko, who also died after a short time in office. And then there was Mikhail Gorbachev, who came to embody the KGB's strategy. Gorbachev was clearly perceived by the West as a reformer, which he certainly was. But less clear to the West was what his motives for reform were. He was in favor of glasnost and perestroika, but not because he rejected the Soviet system. Rather, Gorbachev embraced these because, like the KGB, he was desperately trying to save the system. Gorbachev pursued the core vision of Yuri Andropov -- and by the time he took over, he was the last hope for that vision. His task was to end the Cold War and trade geopolitical concessions for economic relations with the West. It was a well-thought-out policy, but it was ultimately a desperate one -- and it failed. In conceding Central Europe, allowing it to break away without Soviet resistance, Gorbachev lost control of the entire empire, and it collapsed. At that point, the economic restructuring went out of control, and openness became the cover for chaos -- with the rising oligarchs and others looting the state for personal gain. But one thing remained: the KGB, both as an institution and as a group of individuals, continued to operate. Saving the System: A Motive for Murder? As a young KGB operative, Vladimir Putin was a follower of Andropov. Like Andropov, was committed to the restructuring of the Soviet Union in order to save it. He was a foot soldier in that process. Putin and his FSB faction realized in the late 1990s that, however lucrative the economic opening process may have been for some, the net effect on Russia was catastrophic. Unlike the oligarchs themselves, many of whom were indifferent to the fate of Russia, Putin understood that the path they were on would only lead to another revolution -- even more catastrophic than the first. Outside of Moscow and Petersburg, there was hunger and desperation. The conditions for disaster were all there. Putin also realized that Russia had not reaped the sought-after payoff with its loss of prestige and power in the world. Russia had traded geopolitics but had not gotten sufficient benefits in return. This was driven home during the Kosovo crisis, when the United States treated fundamental Russian interests in the Balkans with indifference and contempt. It was clear by then to Putin that Boris Yeltsin had to go. Go he did, with Putin taking over. Putin is a creation of Andropov. In his bones, he believes in the need for a close economic relationship with the West. But his motives are not those of the oligarchs, and certainly not those of the West. His goal, like that of the KGB, is the preservation and reconstruction of the Russian state. For Putin, perestroika and glasnost were tactical necessities that caused a strategic disaster. He came into office with the intention of reversing that disaster. He continued to believe in the need for openness and restructuring, but only as a means toward the end of Russian power, not as an end in itself. For Putin, the only solution to Russian chaos was the reassertion of Russian value. The state was the center of Russian society, and the intelligence apparatus was the center of the Russian state. Thus, Putin embarked on a new, slowly implemented policy. First, bring the oligarchs under control; don't necessarily destroy them, but compel them to work in parallel with the state. Second, increase Moscow's control over the outlying regions. Third, recreate a Russian sphere of influence in the former Soviet Union. Fourth, use the intelligence services internally to achieve these ends and externally to reassert Russian global authority. None of these goals could be accomplished if a former intelligence officer could betray the organs of the state and sit in London hurling insults at Putin, the FSB and the Russian state. For a KGB man trained by Andropov, this would show how far Russia had fallen. Something would have to be done about it. Litvinenko's death, seen from this standpoint, was a necessary and inevitable step if Putin's new strategy to save the Russian state is to have meaning. Anomaly That, at least, is the logic. It makes sense that Litvinenko would have been killed by the FSB. But there is an oddity: The KGB/FSB have tended to use poison mostly in cases where they wanted someone dead, but wanted to leave it unclear how he died and who had killed him. Poison traditionally has been used when someone wants to leave a corpse in a way that would not incur an autopsy or, if a normal autopsy is conducted, the real cause of death would not be discovered (as the poisons used would rapidly degrade or leave the body). When the KGB/FSB wanted someone dead, and wanted the world to know why he had been killed -- or by whom -- they would use two bullets to the brain. A professional hit leaves no ambiguity. The use of polonium-210 in this case, then, is very odd. First, it took a long time to kill Litvinenko -- giving him plenty of time to give interviews to the press and level charges against the Kremlin. Second, there was no way to rationalize his death as a heart attack or brain aneurysm. Radiation poisoning doesn't look like anything but what it is. Third, polonium-210 is not widely available. It is not something that you pick up at your local pharmacy. The average homicidal maniac would not be able to get hold of it or use it. So, we have a poisoning, and no mistake but that it was deliberate. Litvinenko was killed slowly, leaving him plenty of time to confirm that he thought that Putin did it. And the poison would be very difficult to obtain by anyone other than a state agency. Whether it was delivered from Russia -- something the Russians have denied -- or stolen and deployed in Britain, this is not something to be tried at home, kids. So, there was a killing, designed to look like what it was -- a sophisticated hit. This certainly raises questions among conspiracy theorists and others. The linkage back to the Russian state appears so direct that some might argue it points to other actors or factions that are out to stir up trouble for Putin, rather than to Putin himself. Others might say that Litvinenko was killed slowly, yet with an obvious poisoning signature, so that he in effect could help to broadcast the Kremlin's message -- and cause other dissidents to think seriously about their actions. We know only what everyone else knows about this case, and we are working deductively. For all we know, Litvinenko had a very angry former girlfriend who worked in a nuclear lab. But while that's possible, one cannot dismiss the fact that his death -- in so public a manner -- fits in directly with the logic of today's Russia and the interests of Vladimir Putin and his group. It is not that we know or necessarily believe Putin personally ordered a killing, but we do know that in the vast apparatus of the FSB, giving such an order would not have been contrary to the current inclinations of the leadership. And whatever the public's impression of the case might be, the KGB/FSB has not suddenly returned to the scene. In fact, it never left. Putin has been getting the system back under control for these past years. The free-for-all over economic matters has been ended, and Putin has been restructuring the Russian economy for several years to increase state control, without totally reversing openness. This process, however, requires the existence of a highly disciplined FSB -- and that is not compatible with someone like a Litvinenko, publicly criticizing the Kremlin from London. Litvinenko's death would certainly make that point very clear. |
This is SO going to be turned into a movie:
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| LONDON - Murdered Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko was killed because of an eight-page dossier he had compiled on a powerful Russian figure for a British company, a business associate told the BBC on Saturday. Litvinenko died in London on Nov. 23 after receiving a lethal dose of radioactive polonium 210. On his deathbed, he accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of ordering his killing. The Kremlin has denied involvement. Ex-spy Yuri Shvets, who is based in the United States, said Litvinenko had been employed by Western companies to provide information on potential Russian clients before they committed to investment deals in the former Soviet Union. He said Litvinenko was asked by a British company to write reports on five Russians and asked Shvets for help. The British company was not named. Shvets said he had passed Litvinenko the information for the dossier on one individual in September. Damaging details The BBC said it had obtained extracts of the dossier, which British detectives also have, from an unnamed source. The BBC said the report contained damaging personal details about a �very highly placed member of Putin�s administration�. �Litvinenko obtained the report on Sept. 20,� Shvets told the BBC. �Within the next two weeks he gave the report to Andrei Lugovoy. I believe that triggered the entire assassination.� Lugovoy is a former Russian spy who told Reuters on Thursday he had known Litvinenko casually for nearly a decade and had worked closely with him during 2005, meeting him about 10 times. Shvets said Litvinenko had given the dossier to Lugovoy to show him how reports on Russian companies and individuals should be presented to Western clients. However, Shvets said he believed Lugovoy was still employed by the Russian secret service the FSB, the successor to the KGB, and had leaked Litvinenko�s dossier to the Russian figure. Shvets said the report had led to the British company pulling out of a deal, losing the Russian figure potential earnings of �dozens of millions of dollars�. London hotel Lugovoy and businessman Dmitry Kovtun met Litvinenko at a central London hotel, soon after he had met Italian KGB expert Mario Scaramella at a sushi bar. Litvinenko felt ill that night and was later admitted to hospital. �Litvinenko told me he met Lugovoy and other Russians and they offered him tea that wasn�t made in front of him, said Shvets. Lugovoy told Reuters in an interview that he met Litvinenko in October and November but he has repeatedly denied having anything to do with his death. Litvinenko never blamed Lugovoy publicly for his murder before dying in the London hospital. However, Shvets said he had come around to that possibility. �I asked Litvenenko who did you think did it?� Shvets told the BBC. �He immediately said Scaramella. For three days he stubbornly reiterated it was Scaramella and only on the fourth day did he admit he met Lugovoy and other Russians. �I stopped communicating with Litvinenko when it was diagnosed he had been poisoned. But I spoke to his wife and she told me Litvinenko shared my opinion,� Shvets told the BBC. The BBC said senior Scotland Yard officers had interviewed Shvets. |
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| Originally posted by Marc Summers This is SO going to be turned into a movie: SOURCE |
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| Originally posted by Marc Summers This is SO going to be turned into a movie: SOURCE |
Just for consideration theres the Ricin murder of Georgi Markov if anyones interested in just how fiendishly cunning they where at this stuff and apparently, still are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 Reminds me of former CIA DCI Colby who collapsed from a heart attack and drowned. |
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| Originally posted by Capitalizt or the other guy found with a suicide note and 6 bullets in his head... |
BANNED - Wicked Neo
Depp to Make Film About Poisoned Ex-Spy
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| LONDON - Johnny Depp is making a film about a former Russian spy whose poisoning death in London has touched off an international mystery, the trade magazine Variety reported. Warner Bros. has bought the rights to a book about Alexander Litvinenko for Depp's production company, Infinitum Nihil, the magazine reported Friday. Depp will produce the film and could star in it, the report said. Warner Bros. is racing against director Michael Mann and Colombia Pictures, which has agreed to pay $1.5 million for the rights to another book being co-written by the former spy's widow Marina Litvinenko, and Alex Goldfarb, a close friend, Variety reported later on its Web site. The book is expected to be published in May by Simon & Schuster's Free Press imprint, the report said. Warner Bros. had tried unsuccessfully to buy the rights to the book by Litvinenko's widow, the report said. The studio has acquired the rights to a book by New York Times journalist Alan Cowell, which is expected to be published next year by Doubleday. Officials from both studios were not immediately available for comment. Mann is known for his crime sagas, including "Collateral," "Heat" and "Miami Vice," while Depp often takes on eccentric character roles in films such as "Pirates of the Caribbean," "Finding Neverland" and "Edward Scissorhands." The report said Columbia envisions an espionage thriller "exploring the collision between the deep rooted Russian power structure enforced by the KGB ... and the new wave of wild west capitalism" that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union. Litvinenko died in November, several weeks after being poisoned by the rare radioactive isotope polonium-210. In a deathbed statement, Litvinenko blamed the Kremlin for his poisoning. Russian officials have denied that allegation. British and Russian authorities are both investigating his death. Litvinenko was an agent in the Russian Federal Security Service, the agency that replaced the KGB. After breaking with the agency he was granted asylum in Britain, where he became a fierce Kremlin critic and wrote a book claiming that the FSB had bombed apartment buildings in 1999 to blame the blasts on Chechen separatists and create a pretext for resuming the war in Chechnya. Litvinenko said he fell ill after meeting in London with an Italian security expert to discuss possible suspects in the killing of Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya a month earlier. Politkovskaya was noted for her coverage of human rights abuses in Chechnya. |
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| Brits Are Not Looking for the Truth - Ex-KGB Officer The Litvinenko Case The probe into the mysterious death of former FSB agent Alexander Litvineko is getting increasingly tangled. One of Litvinenko�s contacts has also been poisoned by polonium. What is more, a KGB veterans� organization has recently come under suspicion. Russian prosecutors opened a criminal case on the murder of Alexander Litvinenko on December 7 as well as on the attempt at Dmitry Kovtun who met Litvinenko, Andrey Lugovoi and Vyacheslav Sokolenko in a bar at the Millennium hotel in London�s Mayfair on November 1. Litvinenko�s contacts insist that it was a business meeting. For the record, Kovtun, Lugovoi and Sokolenko all graduated from the Command College and went on to work at the KGB and Federal Guard Service. All of them have turned to business � some set up guards firms, some opened breweries. As the Prosecutor General�s Officer opened the case, Kovtun went to hospital with symptoms similar to those of the late Litvinenko. Investigators came to examine him at the hospital in the presence of their British counterparts who had flown to Moscow last Thursday. It was not clear then if Andrey Lugovoi and Vyacheslav Sokolenko were well. Kovtun says he met Litvinenko only twice � on October 16 when Lugovoi introduced him to the political �migr� and at the fatal meeting on November 1. Another man, Sokolenko, denies taking part in the November 1 meeting with Litvinenko, saying he flew to London to watch football. He admits, though, to greeting Litvinenko at the entrance of the Millennium Mayfair hotel. This explains how traces of radiation have come to be found at the Emirates Stadium in London where the three Russians went to see football after meeting Litvinenko. Kovtun was there with polonium in his system. The poisoning of Kovtun makes the enigmatic case even more intricate. If he suffered too, Litvinenko was poisoned by someone else. However, one may surmise that Kovtun got poisoned by accident. British police says somebody dropped a capsule with polonium on the floor of the Mayfair hotel�s room which was presumably taken by one of Litvinenko�s FSB friends. The Daily Telegraph has discovered another possible perpetrator of the poisoning � a KGB veterans� organization, Dignity and Honor. The British newspaper claims that the organization and its head Valentin Velichko are mentioned in a letter by Evgeny Limarev. Mario Scaramella, an Italian lawyer, allegedly handed this letter to Litvinenko on November 1. The letter claimed that retired secret service officers were involved in the killing of the opposition journalist Anna Politkovskaya and were masterminding murders of Litvinenko, Berezovsky, Scaramella and Italian Senator Paolo Guzzanti, the chair of the Mitrokhin commission which probes into activities of the KGB in Italy. Litvinenko did not give much credit to the letter. Indeed, Limarev can hardly be a creditable person. Evgeny Limarev graduated from the Moscow Institute for Foreign Relations, worked in 1992-1994 at a sugar-refinery in Belgorod, central Russia, as an interpreter, was accused of misappropriating sugar and moved to France in 2000. Once abroad, he created a web-site where he published articles featuring secret services� graduates who �seized power� in Russia. It is of note that the site does not mention Valentin Velichko, head of the Dignity and Honor fund, among other those who �seized� power. The Dignity and Honor foundation was set up in 2003. Valentin Velichko, former FSB colonel and now businessmen, had earlier sat on the board of the Veterans of Foreign Intelligence Service organization. Members of the foundation saved Arjan Erkel, a Dutch medical aid worker, from 2-year captivity after the man was kidnapped in Makhachkala, Dagestan, in 2002. The operation sparked a scandal. M�decins Sans Fronti�res asked �1 million from the Dutch Embassy to Moscow to pay a ransom to rescue Erkel. The embassy gave the money but asked it back later, arguing that it was a loan. Valentin Velichko�s fund also claimed that the Dutch had been released without any kind of ransom. The money, however, disappeared. The fund provided aid to families of the killed employees of the FSB�s Special Purpose Center who helped release hostages in the Beslan school siege. Kommersant did not manage to make contract with Evgeny Limarev. In contrast, representatives of the KGB veterans� fund were willing to give their comments. The organization�s secretary said Valentin Velichko was away on a business trip and suggested we talk to the fund�s vice-president. He introduced himself as Viktor Afanasyevich but was reluctant to give his last name. �Viktor Afanasyevich, the British Daily Telegraph directly accuses your fund of being involved in the murder of Alexander Litvinenko�� �I�m not going to comment it in any way! Imagine, your neighbor says you�re a murderer. You would naturally say it�s rubbish and would not even discuss it. Why should we behave differently?� �Have your lawyer drawn up a suit against the newspaper?� �Our lawyers have decided that it�s no use suiting the paper because they allegedly have Limarev�s letter and they have a right to refer to it. But we have no clue who this Limarev is. He has nothing to do with the KGB. In fact, Scotland Yard did not show any interest to this information, so it means nobody takes this letter seriously. Otherwise, they would be here. We are an open organization. It�s easy to find us. We have normal contracts with the press as well as with authorities.� �How can you explain the fact that your foundation was mentioned in relation to the Litvinenko case?� �We publish information about the organization, and our leaflets are available. The Daily Telegraph has taken Velichko�s picture from the leaflet, so apparently this was just the first thing that came their way. After that, they put information about our foundation into Limarev�s mouth. They think that veterans of the Foreign Intelligence Service are kind of power brokers. You know, a lot of people still remember that our organization helped to find and release the Dutch doctor Arjan Erkel from captivity. We were indeed involved in this affair � but we have nothing to do with Litvinenko.� �Not every nonprofit organization is able to hold negotiations with Chechen militants and hold operations to save people�� �It is quite a natural thing that we still have our work experience and we do have skills of information gathering. Therefore, we did our best after Doctors Without Borders contracted us asking for help. We still have some contacts and friends. You use your contacts as a journalist, don�t you?� �Why did Litvinenko fear for his life?� �Come on, he did not fear for his life! Now that he�s gone, everyone attributes all the possible nonsense to him. Of course as a defector he damaged Russia�s image. Everyone knows what he was doing � he was selling information for nice fees, but it could not have inflicted serious damage. To tell you the truth, he did not know much. There are lots of people like Litvinenko, and they are all well � no one would do anything to get rid of them. Western media traditionally blame the Kremlin. Recall Yushenkov�s murder. Everyone claimed that the Kremlin was to blame for his murder, but once a real killer was found, no one even bothered to apologize to special services for those ungrounded accusations. �Are there any other �defectors� who are more important as public figures than Litvinenko?� �I guess Gordievsky is.� �Do you have your own theory of Litvinenko�s killing? Who could have been gained from it?� �Those who contend Russian authorities, who want to mould the Empire of Evil, those who had their economic interests infringed � they could have gained some profit from it. Berezovsky of course! Well, you know, Russia has been quite hard on the Brits on Sakhalin, so they may still be resentful. I would not make a direct link here, though. Europe�s attitude is weird. It looks like we�re sliding back to Cold War times.� �Do you know Lugovoi, Kovtun and Sokolenko personally?� �We have nothing to do with them. They have no relation to the foundation. If they do know something about our organization, it must be from the press or our leaflets. This link has been made with no grounds whatsoever. We know who made his link � Berezovsky.� �Do you think Scotland Yard will find the criminals soon?� �You have to understand this � the Brits are not looking for truth now. They are looking for a Russian trace. If they succeed in stitching the case up to Russia, the murder will be solved. If it turns out that the killers have nothing to do with Russia, we may never learn about the results. I think this could prove to be the case.� �Viktor Afanasyevich, would you remind me please� how do you spell your last name?� �Do you think it�s so necessary? My name and patronymic are quite enough, I guess�� Kommersant�s search on the web has shown that the fund has two presidents along with Valentin Velichko. They surnames are Dolya and Ubilava. Ubilava�s first name is Anatoly, Dolya�s name is Viktor. Viktor Afanasyevich�s secretary confirmed that her boss� last name is Dolya. Igor Klochkov and Anna Kachurovskaya |
I am still awaiting the evidence of Russian government involvement. Its funny how Litvinenko blamed FSB for this, while he made a grave mistake. FSB does not handle the matters outside of the country. Its the GRU if anything that MIGHT have been responsible, however, since the 1960s Russians have stopped assassinations abroad. And, Russia's reputation here is tarnished. And who benefited from all this?
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium I am still awaiting the evidence of Russian government involvement. Its funny how Litvinenko blamed FSB for this, while he made a grave mistake. FSB does not handle the matters outside of the country. Its the GRU if anything that MIGHT have been responsible, however, since the 1960s Russians have stopped assassinations abroad. And, Russia's reputation here is tarnished. And who benefited from all this? |
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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid You remind me of that girl who naively has sex with a married couple. |
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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid Jesus christ man. Your government can do no wrong? The point of this forum is to try and open your eyes to reality and keep gov in check. There are some ppl in here that don't believe that the government can do any evil, but it can and does. You remind me of that girl who naively has sex with a married couple. Are YOU the girl who has sex with the married couple? |
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| Originally posted by star-traveller eat polonium. |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Its funny how Litvinenko blamed FSB for this, while he made a grave mistake. FSB does not handle the matters outside of the country. Its the GRU if anything that MIGHT have been responsible |
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| Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan It's shocking it was found at Arsenals (a football team) stadium after they played CSKA Moscow. |
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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid Eating polonium would still be a healthier diet than what most Russians eat...or should i say the lack of food they eat! |
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| Originally posted by star-traveller well, even if they lack of food, they still remain better people than you. |
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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid lmao. I wish that were true, unfortuanately, most Russians are scum. |
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