Why is some epic trance recorded at 135 BPM?

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Posted by breakaholic on Mar-23-2002 18:07:

IMO 138-140 is pretty perfect speed for epic trance, most energetic epic stuff should be recorded atleast with that 138 BPM especially if it contains vocals. Some (many?) trance dj;s tend to play over 140 BPM so when you speed up like 135 BPM track to 143, vocals will sound quite afwul but that's just what I think . Still there are exceptions and some epic songs do sound perfect like with 133-135 speed, it just depends on songs basic structure...

Posted by Excite on Mar-23-2002 20:17:

to proove my point..at every rave the big dj's always spin around 140 or faster:

Armin Van Buuren: 139-143
Paul Van Dyk: 142-145
Johan Gielen: 142-145
Blank & Jones: 143
Dumonde: 142-144
DJ Scot Project: 145

all these were recent sets from this year btw

so the question is: why do AVB and PVD in articular keep recording at 133-135 BPM???

Posted by Eugene on Mar-23-2002 20:19:

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Originally posted by breakaholic so when you speed up like 135 BPM track to 143, vocals will sound quite afwul but that's just what I think

No, I disagree, and that's the whole point that I was trying to make.
If you speed up a 135 song with vocals to 143, the vocals will still sound all right, but if you GO THE OTHER WAY and slow the song down, then the vocals will sound awful.
So it's better to speed up than to slow down, and that's why I think most tracks are recorded at slower speeds (135 for instance).

Posted by Excite on Mar-23-2002 20:22:

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Originally posted by Eugene

No, I disagree, and that's the whole point that I was trying to make.
If you speed up a 135 song with vocals to 143, the vocals will still sound all right, but if you GO THE OTHER WAY and slow the song down, then the vocals will sound awful.

yeah, female vocals sound manly if u slow 'em down..

Posted by breakaholic on Mar-23-2002 20:36:

No, +/- 5 pitch is usually the limit , it really sounds too highpitched (well awful was quite strong & wrong word) with +8 but I do agree that you shouldn't slow female vocals too much, usually more than -3.

edit: basicly it just depends on basic tone of the vocals, some tunes has quite shrill vocals and too much overpitching make it just sound bad but in some cases you can't even hear the difference, still matter of taste mostly .

Posted by Mark on Mar-23-2002 21:22:

try pitching delerium - innocente (dj tiesto remix) up to about 146bpm. gives me the chills listening to it.

Posted by Az on Mar-23-2002 23:34:

Heavens Cry - Til Tears Do Us Part (Flash Harry mix) at +6 fuuuuuuuuuuuuck me

Posted by Cable on Mar-24-2002 18:08:

why? because thats the way the trance genre is, 90 % of all songs considered classic are 135-138bpm. Also for listening, its much better (for me anyway) to listen to a song at that pace then to pitch a track up like pvd - words for love (or even for an angel) to +6-8% , it just doesn't sound right

Posted by **Joe_86** on Mar-24-2002 21:58:

Try pitching Jon The Dentist - Imagination (K90 Mix), or Pants and Corset - Dammit Janet to +5. Sounds amazing, but this is because these are HARD trance tunes.

Other tunes (with a few exceptions, eg. PVD mix of 1998) can sound poor, although it can occasionally work to give the track more energy.

Posted by gOuRYeLLa~! on Mar-24-2002 23:01:

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Originally posted by **Joe_86**
Try pitching Jon The Dentist - Imagination (K90 Mix), or Pants and Corset - Dammit Janet to +5. Sounds amazing, but this is because these are HARD trance tunes.

rofl, since when was imagination ESPECIALLY the k90 mix hard trance?
k90 makes epic, melodic trance, and its nothing hard at all...

last time i checked.. hard = shokkish, sorta darkish, not as happy as melodic style...

examples..

alex barelett - amnesia (flutlicht vs. shokk) thats definetly hard trance..

dj energy - excelsis (shokk remix)

also hardtrance..

you need to get ur terms right

Posted by **Joe_86** on Mar-24-2002 23:15:

LOL..ok, cur of the sewers...

K90, Lab 4, Wierdo, Phil Reynolds, Nuw Idol and so forth are real hard trance, not your horrible SHOKK tunes. To be hard, something doesn't have to sound crude and unpleasant

SO there

Posted by havok118 on Mar-24-2002 23:32:

It has nothing to do with the dj, and everything to do with the song.

Producers record tracks slower so the effects on the percussion have room to breath, and work. Especially with trance, because they know it is going to be played faster. The songs sound better if they are recorded slow, and pitched up later.

Posted by FinnHawk on Mar-25-2002 07:12:

As an aspiring Hard / Hardcore Trance DJ, I won't be spinning anything below about 145 bpm... My bpm range will probably be anywhere from 150 to 180 bpm. Not that I don't like slower stuff, I just prefer it fast and hard... But for some tracks a slower bpm definately works better... I'm always looking for faster and harder stuff, but no complaints on the speed of epic trance. That's not really what I'll be spinning anyways. Although sometimes I do wish that some tracks were a bit faster so I could use them. Oh well... You work with what you can find.

Sal

Posted by capricorn15 on Mar-25-2002 09:38:

i hate how like armins rising star - touch me part 2 vinyl, the vincnet de moor remix is so slow, its around 130 or something, how the fuck am i supposed to spin this in a set when my avergae bpm is like 145 and more, god damn, its not like touch me sounds bad when you raise the bpm

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