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do not buy DELL!

i have had two toshibas over the past 6 years. i love them, no problems except for the fan on one.

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Originally posted by kingchinc do not buy DELL!

I agree. All of they're products are assembled by little sweat shop children in third world countries. On top of that upgrading them with non Dell products is a real bitch due to the way they are set up inside.

Oh yea and HP sucks ass too. My company thought Dell was bad and shitched to HP thinking the grass would be greener on that side but it sure got pretty rotten really fast. We did a rollout for over 800 stores purching multiple pices of equipment per store. Not only did they send us tons of defective equipment and delay shipments but they charged us for the replacements for a second time and guess who had the pleasure of disputing all of those payments. Not fun

Mac, Toshiba, or Sony is the way to go.

we all use only toshiba at the office. Great machines, very reliable and long lasting.

i use IBM and its mainly design for work and productivity. I love it cuz it doesnt look like a toy with glowing LEDs and that thing is made to last. My biggest pet peeve about laptops, especially Dell, is that the screen always wobbles and eventually, breaking at the hinge. On my laptop, the hinge is made out of metal so the screen doesnt wobble.

i think im going to a toshiba this time. used to have a dell and worked fine until the screen died on me followed by a autodestructive bios. anyway, toshiba tecra is the way to go!

nothing speaks better than versatility

i joined a new computing revolution...i'm in love



1gb - 120gb hd
im lovin it

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Originally posted by euphoria I agree. All of they're products are assembled by little sweat shop children in third world countries. On top of that upgrading them with non Dell products is a real bitch due to the way they are set up inside. Oh yea and HP sucks ass too. My company thought Dell was bad and shitched to HP thinking the grass would be greener on that side but it sure got pretty rotten really fast. We did a rollout for over 800 stores purching multiple pices of equipment per store. Not only did they send us tons of defective equipment and delay shipments but they charged us for the replacements for a second time and guess who had the pleasure of disputing all of those payments. Not fun Mac, Toshiba, or Sony is the way to go.

Actually Dell is a much more green friendly company than apple, or just about any other computer company for that matter. Oh and Apple computers are designed in Cali and manufactured in, China. Unless your buying a boutique computer from a small company and paying top dollar for it, expect it to be assembled in China. And something like 80% of all the parts are created outside of the US, i think AMD and intel have a few fabs in the US along with sun, but other than that nothing.

everyone shuold just join the 21st fucking century already and get a mac...all fucking stuck in the past...morons...

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Originally posted by Highmay everyone shuold just join the 21st fucking century already and get a mac...all fucking stuck in the past...morons...

why?

i go to the apple store to see what all the fuss is about and i only get confused... doesnt make sense to me...

my pc has worked for years... why change now?

btw.. i have a gateway laptop for almost 3 years now.. still works as good as the day i got it.. 60gb 512ram

yes most computer parts are made/assembled in china, doesn't mean its necessarily assembled by sweatshop children... lol. simply put, labor is cheaper over there.

if you really want to go non-mac, strictly go with toshiba, acer, or possibly lenovo (i believe its same as ibm). otherwise... don't even bother wasting your money.

at this point in time though, just go for a mac. sure its a bit more expensive but it'll pretty much be good to go for a while.

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Originally posted by Zewad why? i go to the apple store to see what all the fuss is about and i only get confused... doesnt make sense to me... my pc has worked for years... why change now? btw.. i have a gateway laptop for almost 3 years now.. still works as good as the day i got it.. 60gb 512ram

if you ask why.. then you simply just dont know...

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Originally posted by trancinchink if you ask why.. then you simply just dont know...

you are absolutly right... i just dont know...

apple has gotten my interest by their new found advertising in their witty commercials so i did take the effort to walk in the apple computer shop in the mall when i passed.... i was intrigued by the neato graffics and ergonomiclly looking computer but i took one swipe at the one button mouse i immediately turned around and walked out the store... they got my attention, now they need to discuss why its such a better machine than the PC... but first off they need to get a 2 button mouse... or explain why 1 button can work..

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Originally posted by Highmay everyone shuold just join the 21st fucking century already and get a mac...all fucking stuck in the past...morons...

yeah you should get a mac!!!! if you have no clue how to use a computer...or you are a cromagnum.

Lenovo Thinkpad X60 Tablet

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Originally posted by fr0st Actually Dell is a much more green friendly company than apple, or just about any other computer company for that matter. Oh and Apple computers are designed in Cali and manufactured in, China. Unless your buying a boutique computer from a small company and paying top dollar for it, expect it to be assembled in China. And something like 80% of all the parts are created outside of the US, i think AMD and intel have a few fabs in the US along with sun, but other than that nothing.

P.S. (DELL) They outsource theyre tech support as well to India so when you call you can expect to speak to a person who has absolutely no idea what you are talking about and that is reading you all the responses directly out of a book. Its fun to ask them something not in the book because they get all frantic and then put you on hold for a very long time trying to find an answer.

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Originally posted by Zewad they got my attention, now they need to discuss why its such a better machine than the PC... but first off they need to get a 2 button mouse... or explain why 1 button can work..

it just works right out of the box....(it sounds like an add.. but it's true lol)..

no viruses...

Tiger is way better than XP... that may change with Vista, but microsoft is always following the inovative design of apple..

You can use a two button mouse btw. i use one.

They're powerful machines and if you use your laptop for anything other than spreadsheets and word docs (which they do have all of that, I have the microsoft office suite for apple) then apple is the way to go..

I'm a recent convert (bought a macbook pro 3 months ago), but I would never advise someone to get anything other than an apple again.

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Originally posted by Zewad but first off they need to get a 2 button mouse... or explain why 1 button can work..

they have those available. also, macs are known for the stability of their O/S. no worries of spyware or viruses either(at least not yet)

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Originally posted by Zewad you are absolutly right... i just dont know... apple has gotten my interest by their new found advertising in their witty commercials so i did take the effort to walk in the apple computer shop in the mall when i passed.... i was intrigued by the neato graffics and ergonomiclly looking computer but i took one swipe at the one button mouse i immediately turned around and walked out the store... they got my attention, now they need to discuss why its such a better machine than the PC... but first off they need to get a 2 button mouse... or explain why 1 button can work..

I guess you're waiting to hear from me LOL

100% PC user here, live breathe and eat PC. I haven't completely played around with it yet (until I get my 2 button mouse that is lol) but can reason why it's a one button mouse. A lot of mac is shortcut keys, similar to a pc's ctrl c, v,x alt tab, alt space, etc. Within that functionaly only really requires one button for the tool point as 'system functions' are usually keyed in. Like to save apple s, where pc is alt/ctrl s etc.

One thing I am noticing that i highly dislike (and this could be because I'm doing it completely wrong) is that at home, I have a LAN with shared folders. Mac has nothing in it's 'network' folder/properties that has allowed me to keep a shared folder/connection to my other machines. Only for the fact that I have my media files in one place and other files on another machine. As you can imagine with my PCs, I can play mp3s on my workhorse machine through my media center machine without having to xfer the files from machine to machine. In the case of the macbook, it doesn't keep the connection open so the minute I stop working within the LAN connection, it disconnects it and forces me to reconnect it. Now I could be doing this completely wrong and probably am, just that I'd like the mac to sit on my network like any of the other machines currently.

Overall I am pleased with it's simplicity, yet I have not had any time to throw my hands into it completely. I'll post more when I find time to play with it. Now it's just strictly bringing it up to speed with the necessary files and applications that I may need when i'm on the move.

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Originally posted by Zewad you are absolutly right... i just dont know... apple has gotten my interest by their new found advertising in their witty commercials so i did take the effort to walk in the apple computer shop in the mall when i passed.... i was intrigued by the neato graffics and ergonomiclly looking computer but i took one swipe at the one button mouse i immediately turned around and walked out the store... they got my attention, now they need to discuss why its such a better machine than the PC... but first off they need to get a 2 button mouse... or explain why 1 button can work..

I could see why you'd feel that way - I use an IBm T60 at work and never use the swipe pad... just the red nipple. I recently bought a macbook(coudln't be happier), and can't imagine life w/o the swipe pad now. So much better, and it's very responsive. I think it takes a little getting used to, but when u do, u don't be disappointed.

one button works great because you'll be scrolling around with your middle finger on the swipe pad, and when you want to right click, you put your ring finger down with the middle finger and click, and boom... in the same way, you can be navigating a site and when you want to scroll, you put another finger down and drag up or down and the page will scrolll... very seamless... i definetly don't miss the wheel on my mouse.

Mac users seem cult like...similar to Saturn drivers.

Though i would switch to anything if it was better than what i use now. I just got a new HP laptop and it works fine for what i need (mainly for music and surfing the web) - how would a Mac do me any better?

Re: Laptops

Power Book G5 is the way to go...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Mac users seem cult like...similar to Saturn drivers. Though i would switch to anything if it was better than what i use now. I just got a new HP laptop and it works fine for what i need (mainly for music and surfing the web) - how would a Mac do me any better?

I was very anti-apple until I actually used one at my friend's house and got hooked.

I mean, it's a computer. It's not going to cook you breakfast and jerk you off when you're lonely... you'll still be doin the same stuff in pretty much the same exact ways as any other computer. It's the little things, like the

-2 finger scrolling
-the expose feature, which is awesome when I am managing a ton of programs at once(see demo here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ05rFri82A),
-dvd burner(nothing special/diff here, but my old computer didn't haveo ne)
-runs like a dream

just a lot of little things. in the end, it's a computer, nothing more.

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Originally posted by OutofAnalog it just works right out of the box....(it sounds like an add.. but it's true lol).. no viruses...

aren't there viruses that target macs now ? or did i make that up

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Originally posted by OutofAnalog it just works right out of the box....(it sounds like an add.. but it's true lol).. no viruses... Tiger is way better than XP... that may change with Vista, but microsoft is always following the inovative design of apple.. You can use a two button mouse btw. i use one. They're powerful machines and if you use your laptop for anything other than spreadsheets and word docs (which they do have all of that, I have the microsoft office suite for apple) then apple is the way to go.. I'm a recent convert (bought a macbook pro 3 months ago), but I would never advise someone to get anything other than an apple again.

ok... maybe i just dont get it b/c I only use my PC for holding pictures, music and power point is probably teh biggest program i use... i dont dj or play any computer games... ive had my gateway laptop 3 years and never had a virus

that youtube window switching thing did look cool, but i rarely have anything more than a webpage and aim on at once... maybe if im daring ill have a power point going too...

i see that an apple looks cool but does it do anything that a PC doesnt?... why would somebody switch?

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Originally posted by kelly923 aren't there viruses that target macs now ? or did i make that up

you made that up lol

ok day 2 of playing with my new macbook

Now I see everyone is on about what a mac can do that a pc can't. How about we start with this first, WHAT A MAC CANT DO THAT A PC CAN!

Ok I'm a pc user, have been always will be, and I'm big on using PCs for business since it is the field that i am currently employed in.

I was hesitant in purchasing a mac but i took the step anyways, the way I figured it, if I plan on making a career out of computers, I have to atleast roll with the industry, even enough to navigate myself around a mac or interface one on a network where ever my career takes me. It's evident that the industry has a place for these machines and I am beginning to see why.

Ok circling back to what a MAC can't do that a PC does really well. Now I'm sure some mac users will come on here and start pwning me, but from what I've seen and heard, macs do a horrible job translating fonts, so using a MS application like excel, word, power point, access, outlook, etc all those applications that are used in the professional business field, are pretty much non-existent on a mac. Reason being is unlike a PC, font packages are not uniform through out unless it's file is contained within an image. So for example if you use Word to write a letter in Verdana and you send it to another mac that doesn't have Verdana, the font will look jumbled. So I look at it as a lateral platform which has a bunch of attributes, where a PC is a vertical platform with all the same attributes. did i confuse you?

Anyways, the system approach is pretty simple, alittle too simple for me because personally I'm an organizing freak, I keep my files organized in a file folder structure which helps me understand what and where my files are and the reasons why they are there. Where as a mac, file placement and structure isn't important because it's governed by an application. More like download anywhere but import into itunes library. I dislike this only because you are FORCED to use/associate certain file types with single applications. Meaning itunes is the ONLY player to play your music files because you have the slighest clue as to where on the hard drive it's stored. From a MAC point of view, it's like why would you need to know where the file is when you can look in the application and find it in there. That begs the question, what if I don't want to use that application to govern my files, what if I want to use winamp instead. It's a PRO point of view for users who aren't as computer savy as most of us but to those who are, to those who worry about file placement and organization, it's a horrible restriction.

Let's go the other way, MAC applications on a PC. Tell me, why is it everytime I install QUICKTIME on my PC, it tries to take it over? Meaning it associates ALL my file types to be used by a quicktime, that pisses me off! Because I'm a PC user thats why, I want that flexibility, i want all those available application options, i don't want to be confined to 1 program to govern everything.

So far my theory has proven true, pc users naturally prefer flexibility because there's a bunch of similar applications out there, where as with mac, there isn't as much application development for it's simplistic approach. here's a program that will organize for you, you don't have to worry about the file structures and file names we can do that for you as long as you stay within our application.

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Well that's been my outlook so far, maybe it'll change and develop as I continue on my quest to learning how the mac functionally works.

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