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Originally posted by dj_kane sums up americas nightlife

Obviously you fail at finding good parties because they're all over the place.

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Originally posted by UWM Obviously you fail at finding good parties because they're all over the place.

And that's saying a lot - We're from Wisconsin

trance sounds great at home but even better live.
That goes from most EDM except from downtempo/ambient stuff, which is made to please you on the way to work in the morning (my poinion that is)

good music




(hey ppl, in case you dont notice, im messing around here, if you like trance fine by me...;p)

Actually, there is a disturbing trend of over-production going on in a lot of trance music lately. The compression rate between highs and lows gets squeezed so much to make the tracks sound big and bold, the tracks don't leave much breathing space between the frequencies. As a result, when played on a sound-system that amplifies this, you are left with a 'wall of sound' that drowns out harmonic dynamics.

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Originally posted by julien2 good music

Define "good music".

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(hey ppl, in case you dont notice, im messing around here, if you like trance fine by me...;p)

Yeah, that's always the way, isn't it. As soon as you notice you're being beaten it was suddenly just "messing around" and we're all idiots who don't have a sense of humour. At least have some spine to take responsibility of your actions.

Dude it has to be loud otherwise how can you feel that kick and bass - you must be seriously listening to the wrong type of trance.

When I play trance I need to 'feel it'........

now sometimes I have to play the Wiggles for my little girl and boy - believe you me they sound appalling loud.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Actually, there is a disturbing trend of over-production going on in a lot of trance music lately. The compression rate between highs and lows gets squeezed so much to make the tracks sound big and bold, the tracks don't leave much breathing space between the frequencies. As a result, when played on a sound-system that amplifies this, you are left with a 'wall of sound' that drowns out harmonic dynamics.

Thank you Sykonee! That is a good explanation I never thought about. It explains why hard trance like Cosmic Gate still sounds good and melodic trance sounds ugly. I was afraid this thread was going to die because of people arguing over stupid crap.

theres a shit load of bad sound systems even in good clubs these days. The Arches in Glasgow although world famous is VERY bass heavy and suits techno and techtrance at lot more than uplfiting stuf. It takes a DJ to EQ properly to get trance to sound good in the Arches. Whereas at Gatecrasher the "mecca of trance" the sound system is set up purposfully for trance and the sound in there is immense

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Originally posted by the_transient Thank you Sykonee! That is a good explanation I never thought about. It explains why hard trance like Cosmic Gate still sounds good and melodic trance sounds ugly. I was afraid this thread was going to die because of people arguing over stupid crap.

It definitely has a lot to do with the venue though... I've heard it sound damn nice and then I've gone home with my ears hurting not sure of half the stuff I even heard.

But yes, the "Loudness War" is probably a potential contributing factor...

music should be experienced outdoors!

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Originally posted by Whirloop music should be experienced outdoors!

I'll word that.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Actually, there is a disturbing trend of over-production going on in a lot of trance music lately. The compression rate between highs and lows gets squeezed so much to make the tracks sound big and bold, the tracks don't leave much breathing space between the frequencies. As a result, when played on a sound-system that amplifies this, you are left with a 'wall of sound' that drowns out harmonic dynamics.

this is a good point.. i personally love that 'wall of sound' feel but it makes melodic elements hard to fit into the mix; i've discovered this myself when producing. i think this is why you tend to hear less huge supersaws in uplifting trance than you did in years gone by.. they normally get substituted for softer, shorter synths that take up less room in the frequency table

a lot of times speakers don't respond well to high bpms, for example the subs in my car lag the music by like 1/2 a beat sometimes


Also playing mp3's adds to the problem

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Yeah, that's always the way, isn't it. As soon as you notice you're being beaten it was suddenly just "messing around" and we're all idiots who don't have a sense of humour. At least have some spine to take responsibility of your actions.

loltrance

trance is for noobs

loltiesto

trance sucks




yeah. real better. thank you for sharing though.

bottom line: I hate trance, I dont hate trance lovers. If you cant understand that I'm fooling around, you obviously are not worthy of me spending time explaining it to you...

good day sir.

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Originally posted by julien2 loltrance trance is for noobs loltiesto trance sucks yeah. real better. thank you for sharing though. bottom line: I hate trance, I dont hate trance lovers. If you cant understand that I'm fooling around, you obviously are not worthy of me spending time explaining it to you... good day sir.

wow you look like a moron now posting on a trance message board.


Good luck at your life.

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Originally posted by julien2 yeah. real better. thank you for sharing though. bottom line: I hate trance, I dont hate trance lovers. If you cant understand that I'm fooling around, you obviously are not worthy of me spending time explaining it to you... good day sir.

Nah, you just don't have any excuse other than being a complete waste of space.

Get the fuck out already.

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Nah, you just don't have any excuse other than being a complete waste of space. Get the fuck out already.

you opinions interest me. i would like to suscribe to you mailing list.

ktxbye.

there are a lot of anal people on these forums :/

I love trance being played loud, but it has to be equalized well. I have never been to a club before (I just turned 18 however, I think I will go check out some clubs in seattle) But when the bass hits just right in a trance song, I feel pretty good

i like it when i lay a huge terd on the dancefloor. that bass just gets to me.

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Originally posted by julien2 loltrance trance is for noobs loltiesto trance sucks yeah. real better. thank you for sharing though. bottom line: I hate trance, I dont hate trance lovers. If you cant understand that I'm fooling around, you obviously are not worthy of me spending time explaining it to you... good day sir.

so why are u on these forums u ignorant fuck??? get the fuck out already...go on a house forum or something..

Hahah this hatin' on Julien is funny, you people get so serious sometimes...

He's joking, from what I know of him from the times I've met him, he;s joking - quit getting you're panties in a twist folks.

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Originally posted by Whirloop music should be experienced outdoors!

ehh no thanks..

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Originally posted by dj_kane yea this is true but even people who arent into trance when their at clubs they love it. ive never seen a better atmosphere at a club when trance is played.

I disagree with this statement. Many people are not into trance at all, and universally it isn't the foundation of EDM. Although names like Tiesto and PVD are very popular and they will always get packed venues, it's not too much of a stretch to say that house or certain types of techno could sustain longer to a "non-EDM" educated crowd. For example, I've heard many people (both who like EDM and don't like EDM) complain that trance sometimes has breakdowns that are too long...and sometimes that might be a turnoff *although a good breakdown is always a euphoric experience*...personally, I can't stand most trance because every song seems to have two minutes of nothing but a rolling synth pad blaring.

It's really hard to explain, and I understand it has a lot to do with taste. But, someone like Danny Howells or James Zabiela can certainly be more appealing than many trance dj's...a 10 hour set from Howells will be awesome because he knows how to keep the crowd moving and he will always progress in style: anything from deep house to funky breaks to banging dirty techno. Honestly, unless you're a die hard trance fan, a 10 hour set from almost any trance dj will begin to get tiring or boring. Lol, I used to spin trance when I started dj'ing and unless I had a loyal trance crowd, it sucked. But now that I have evolved into an avid supporter and dj of techno and house, I've been able to attract a much broader crowd, and many people who aren't into EDM have generously complimented the tracks I spun.

Yeah, when you're trying to pump a lot of noise, in a largish CLOSED space, acoustics plays a big part.

Unfortunately, it's one of the most expensive part of setting up and designing a club, as well as the sound insulation.

Yeah. Go Figure.

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