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Posted by R!CH on Dec-11-2006 05:29:

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Originally posted by enferno
a mutation is any change of DNA/RNA, positive or negative


correct


Posted by astroboy on Dec-11-2006 05:30:

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Originally posted by lex400sc
evolution is both a FACT and a THEORY. the fact is that every organism on this planet is evolving from a prior genetic state. the theory of evolution postulates that this mechanism for evolution is natural selection. whether or not we are evolving as a result of darwinian natural selection or some other undiscovered mechanism doesn't change the fact that we evolved from more primative being and that our descendents are also the descendents of the great apes. religious people find objection to this idea because it conflicts with their egomanical view of the universe.


You're preaching to the choir, mate

What I'm bitching about is the creationists that attempt to shroud their religious views as science, while their reasoning and methodology is not scientific at all. Even more annoyingly it sounds "scientific" enough for a bunch of ignoramuses to accept it as science, and allow it to be taught in science classrooms.


Posted by enferno on Dec-11-2006 05:30:

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Originally posted by Vlad
how about you reply back on msn foo!
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how about you say something other than 'brb' if you want a response then


Posted by R!CH on Dec-11-2006 05:31:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
A more general thing to note is that evolution (mutation plus reproduction plus selection) does not necessarily work toward anything like "perfection." The modern human knee and back, for example, are "poorly made" from the viewpoint of stability, which is why so many problems crop up with them, but they were good enough to "work" (enable the survival of offspring), so they have stuck around to this day.


this is what strikes me as absolutely hilarious about the "intelligent design" concept... what intelligent designer came up with cancer and toothaches? who "designed" the human jaw that can't house all the teeth that grow in it, or your appendix and tonsils, organs that do nothing but get infected and cause you grief? how intelligent is the famously fragile human spine, or the narrow pelvis that makes childbirth harder for humans than for almost any other species? there are evolutionary explanations for all of these, but i hardly think there was much intelligence in designing halitosis, acne and flatulence.


Posted by R!CH on Dec-11-2006 05:33:

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Originally posted by astroboy
You're preaching to the choir, mate

What I'm bitching about is the creationists that attempt to shroud their religious views as science, while their reasoning and methodology is not scientific at all. Even more annoyingly it sounds "scientific" enough for a bunch of ignoramuses to accept it as science, and allow it to be taught in science classrooms.


i just needed to clarify in my country more people believe in the virgin birth than evolution. the argument from ignorance is that 'evolution is just a theory'


Posted by Sunsnail on Dec-11-2006 05:33:

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Originally posted by lex400sc
this is what strikes me as absolutely hilarious about the "intelligent design" concept... what intelligent designer came up with cancer and toothaches? who "designed" the human jaw that can't house all the teeth that grow in it, or your appendix and tonsils, organs that do nothing but get infected and cause you grief? how intelligent is the famously fragile human spine, or the narrow pelvis that makes childbirth harder for humans than for almost any other species? there are evolutionary explanations for all of these, but i hardly think there was much intelligence in designing halitosis, acne and flatulence.


haha yea.


Posted by astroboy on Dec-11-2006 05:34:

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Originally posted by lex400sc
this is what strikes me as absolutely hilarious about the "intelligent design" concept... what intelligent designer came up with cancer and toothaches? who "designed" the human jaw that can't house all the teeth that grow in it, or your appendix and tonsils, organs that do nothing but get infected and cause you grief? how intelligent is the famously fragile human spine, or the narrow pelvis that makes childbirth harder for humans than for almost any other species? there are evolutionary explanations for all of these, but i hardly think there was much intelligence in designing halitosis, acne and flatulence.


They're all punishments for eating God's special apples! Don't they teach you guys anything?


Posted by R!CH on Dec-11-2006 05:36:

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Originally posted by astroboy
They're all punishments for eating God's special apples! Don't they teach you guys anything?


it frightens me that there are people who believe this...

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As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.


http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t023.html

evil babies!

this whole website was written by what sounds like a serial killer


Posted by Sunsnail on Dec-11-2006 05:38:

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Originally posted by lex400sc
it frightens me that there are people who believe this...

As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so.

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t023.html

evil babies!


funny website

" Most atheists, therefore, without any objective evidence on which to base their faith in "no God", must resort finally to philosophical objections. And this problem of suffering is the greatest of these."

Who exactly has the faith with no objective evidence?


Posted by astroboy on Dec-11-2006 05:43:

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Originally posted by Sunsnail
funny website

" Most atheists, therefore, without any objective evidence on which to base their faith in "no God", must resort finally to philosophical objections. And this problem of suffering is the greatest of these."

Who exactly has the faith with no objective evidence?


Clearly you don't understand basic logic. You see if you don't have evidence that something doesn't exist then you must assume it does. Hence from now on you may assume that i have four, three-headed penises which are all called "bernie" and speak to me regularly, dispensing valuable life advice.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Dec-11-2006 05:45:

LOL.


Posted by R!CH on Dec-11-2006 05:50:

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Originally posted by astroboy
Clearly you don't understand basic logic. You see if you don't have evidence that something doesn't exist then you must assume it does. Hence from now on you may assume that i have four, three-headed penises which are all called "bernie" and speak to me regularly, dispensing valuable life advice.


i accept bernie as my personal saviors. can i go to heaven now?


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Dec-11-2006 05:54:

Here is a link to a National Geographic piece about how far behind the U.S. is in popular acceptance of evolution:

Evolution survey

Around 40% think evolution is right, 40% reject it outright, and the rest are unsure.


Posted by astroboy on Dec-11-2006 05:56:

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Originally posted by lex400sc
i accept bernie as my personal saviors. can i go to heaven now?


Yes, so long as you don't kill, steal, listen to heavy metal or eat pasteurised dairy products, for they are unholy in bernie's eyes.


Posted by R!CH on Dec-11-2006 05:57:

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Originally posted by astroboy
Yes, so long as you don't kill


...except in defense of foreign policies and unwanted embryos, amirite?


Posted by R!CH on Dec-11-2006 05:59:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Here is a link to a National Geographic piece about how far behind the U.S. is in popular acceptance of evolution:

Evolution survey

Around 40% think evolution is right, 40% reject it outright, and the rest are unsure.


lol i've seen that graphic on the daily show before, first i laughed, then i cried


Posted by astroboy on Dec-11-2006 06:02:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Evolution survey

It would be interesting to see what the statistics would be for some of the former Soviet republics - where atheism was pretty much government policy.


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Originally posted by lex400sc
...except in defense of foreign policies and unwanted embryos, amirite?


... Well the text has been written millenia ago... and when I say they speak to me I am ofcourse being metaphorical so it's open to interpretation... EXCEPT THE PART ABOUT PASTEURISED DAIRY PRODUCTS!!


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