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Originally posted by Zild We don't need to bag on rock music here. I think we're all a little more open minded than to believe that there aren't any excellent rock bands out there because there definitely are.

Oh I'm sure there are, but there aren't many, and you probably have to dig pretty deep to find them. Wheras with electronic music, I find that variety is more abundant due to the nature of the genre.

I have a few non-edm I like.
Arctic Monkeys,
Pink Floyd,
Muse.
They are each very different but none the less still good.

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Originally posted by Aquarian Oh I'm sure there are, but there aren't many, and you probably have to dig pretty deep to find them. Wheras with electronic music, I find that variety is more abundant due to the nature of the genre.

Well you're almost as closed minded as the person who was quoted in the original post.

Theres alot of music out today that I like in the world of rock, but for me, some of the best music ever, came from the 80s.

yeah FUCK guitars man!!!

LMAO

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Originally posted by Zild Well you're almost as closed minded as the person who was quoted in the original post.

Prove me wrong. Difference is, I've heard enough of both genres to form a reasonable opinion about it.

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Originally posted by Aquarian Oh I'm sure there are, but there aren't many, and you probably have to dig pretty deep to find them.

So you're telling me that you don't have to dig deep to find decent EDM?

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Originally posted by Rebel Brown So you're telling me that you don't have to dig deep to find decent EDM?

Yes you do. What I'm saying is that you don't have to dig as deep to find original or innovative material, because the nature of electronic music makes it less restrictive.

It also depends on how you measure music (For the want of a better expression).

In terms of the technical side of rock and the technical side of EDM the points differ greatly.

Take a group like Megadeth and analyse their chord structure and bass melodies and you will find an intricacy that is very difficult to reproduce let alone write. As a band I think they rock but I accept they are not everyones cup of tea.

Sadly for us, the guitar is back having the status as being the number one item that is sold to young people wanting to discover music when only a few years ago it was decks. Would be interesting to see how the guitar measures up against Reason, Ableton and FLoops and you would probably see a different story but the truth is that House music is king of EDM at the moment and rock is the choice of the current generation whether we like it or not.

When you listen to music I think it's more important to understand what reason the writer had for doing it, as you can usually tell if there is passion behind it or if it's record company mass produced trash.

Take this for an example, whether you like the song or not is irrelevant all you have to be able to do is listen. Daniel Beddingfield wrote a track (Get through this) on his home studio and did a blistering rendition of it for the UKs Top of the pops with just a guitar and him doing some beatbox with it.
As a general rule I don't really go for that type of music and didn't particularly like that track either, but if you heard the emotion and soul that he put into that performance you can hear that is what he believed in at that time and as a musician you have to respect that.
Take these mass produced groups be it rock, pop or EDM and you will usually sence the 'cheapness' over it but even there you get exceptions.

Basically what I'm saying is that it's really silly to get tied up in genre based judgements and every single genre has it's good and bad artists. But to avoid looking like a fool it's often better to say that you don't like it rather than to say that it's bad. If you scratch under the surface on any genre you will always get more than you bargained for as things are rarely as simple as they seem.

There are two types of music in this world and that is good and bad.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by T-Soma What sh*ts me is that through listening and producing electronic music I have to come to appreciate good music no matter the genre.

+1

I totally agree.
After getting into EDM I listen to and appreciate a much wider variety of music... anywhere from Jazz to Drum & Bass.

I think it teaches people not to be ignorant and quickly dismiss entire genres based false knowledge and pretenses.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 to avoid looking like a fool it's often better to say that you don't like it rather than to say that it's bad. If you scratch under the surface on any genre you will always get more than you bargained for as things are rarely as simple as they seem.

Nicely put.
It is all subjective. Just because one person doesn't like it, doesn't mean its bad.

I Lol'ed.

here's a really interesting article that I think is relevent to this discussion

I look at mixing much like conducting a symphony.

You direct the sections (percusion, cymbals, strings, woodwinds) with your mixer. You draw in pieces at the right time from other sources (TT/CDJ/CPU). And you conduct it all in such a way as it sounds like one homogeneous piece of music.

How you do that is just as unique as how a conductor asks the members of his orchestra to perform. Begin here, more volume, emphasis here.

In short, a conductor uses no instrument, but make no mistake he has played an all important roll in how the music is presented.

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Originally posted by nousplacidus I look at mixing much like conducting a symphony. You direct the sections (percusion, cymbals, strings, woodwinds) with your mixer. You draw in pieces at the right time from other sources (TT/CDJ/CPU). And you conduct it all in such a way as it sounds like one homogeneous piece of music. How you do that is just as unique as how a conductor asks the members of his orchestra to perform. Begin here, more volume, emphasis here. In short, a conductor uses no instrument, but make no mistake he has played an all important roll in how the music is presented.

i never thought of it like that before. Thats a great discription

hm

obviously has no clue of what he's talkin about..i dont waste my tiem with them

this discussion reminds me of a time i was chillin in my car with a freind of mine. We were arguin over which channel to listen to on XM radio. I wanted to listen to The System, which at the time was airing ASOT, while he wanted to listen to some other music, cant really recall.

but then he told me somethin i'll never forget, lol.

"Z, cmon, I mean your 'techno' stuff is good and all, but when you get older and have kids or whatever, what are you gona tell your kids you listened to? Techno. I don't think so man. I mean cmon, you gotta lisn to other stuff, good stuff, like The Fray."

LOL, i'm laughin just thinkin about it. Two things worried me about that conversation
1) What I listen to is far from 'techno'...
and
2) To consider The Fray worthy of my musical will & testimony FRIGHTENS me.

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