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Originally posted by erdega Violence or rather one sided aggression is the only word of American foreign policy and that's the main reason why they are saying lies to invade others as they believe in their military supremacy so much which has already backfired on them in Iraq . USA has been exposed as Nazi NMengele type propaganda able to fool for a while a lot of its own populace as well as many others willingly or not. Now that they are seriously losing on the battlefield they want to cut and run

That's laughable, especially the quaint little mention of Nazism.
Obviously the Jihadism propaganda works with some people...

In all your hogwash spamming that you've been able to muster, have you even visited the Digital Video and Imagery Distribution System? ie. the stuff the media won't show you because they figure it doesn't sell?

Check it out for yourself and then come back with a little more balanced view...

http://www.dvidshub.net/index.php?script=

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ... In all your hogwash spamming that you've been able to muster, have you even visited the Digital Video and Imagery Distribution System? ie. the stuff the media won't show you because they figure it doesn't sell? Check it out for yourself and then come back with a little more balanced view... http://www.dvidshub.net/index.php?script=

It looks like FOX News 2. US Navy banners everywhere.
I bet they film videos for brave Americans who think that Freedom is justified by killing thousands of innocent people of race you don't like.

< If I remember correctly a few decades ago the Soviets went rolling through Afganistan on some cultural and social crusade because they thought they where little more than savages.

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Originally posted by Lilith < If I remember correctly a few decades ago the Soviets went rolling through Afganistan on some cultural and social crusade because they thought they where little more than savages.

I never said a word in all my posts that I justify that.

In my opinion it's a problem of super-power nations in general. When you think that your nation is way to better than others you start doing really terrible things. That's what happened with Soviet Union a decade ago, that what is happening with the US right now.

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Originally posted by star-traveller It looks like FOX News 2. US Navy banners everywhere. I bet they film videos for brave Americans who thinks that Freedom is be justified by killing thousands of innocent people of race you don't like.

Erdega's the only racist here. you just happen to be the only one who agrees with him.

Erdega hates white people.

drop the whole Fox news ad-hominem, ok? that shit is getting tired.

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Originally posted by star-traveller In my opinion its a problem of super-power nations in general. When you think that your nation is you way to higher than others you start doing really terrible things. That what happened with Soviet Union decade ago, that what is happening with the US right now.

your in desperate need of a history lesson of your own country and mine.

aside from the eliminating the terror camps and the Taliban which the world wanted us to do.

aside from getting their asses handed to them by the Mujahadeen, even if the Soviets were to have been successful do you really think they would have turned back over the country to the Afghans? no. the Soviets were gonna rape that place for themselves and throw down a new pipeline.

i'm slowly beginning to realize how bainwashed you are with your tired Foxnews comments and shortsided revisionist history. it's symptomatic of someone who gets all their infomation (propaganda) off far left America bashing websites.

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A "holy war" has been proclaimed against the Revolution by the so-called Moslim Brothers, a reactionary terrorist grouping of a conservative Moslim orientation. Demagogically exploiting "Islamic" slogans, the Afghan Moslim Brothers, who have extensive ties with similar groupings in other countries of the East, are trying to exert pressure on the socially backward masses of working people in both town and village. . . . They serve the interest of the reactionaries in the region and are being exploited by imperialist circles to conduct activities directed against the national interests and the people�s Revolution of Afghanistan

L. Mironov and G. Polyakov, "Afghanistan: The Beginning of a New Life," International Affairs, Moscow, March 1979, p. 49.

Basically, if youre looking for a cause of regional, religous based activities then the soviets helped to further that in Afganistan by breaking the Sov-Afgan Friendship alliance under the pretext of 'defending' them when in reality it was just a show of force to prove that they could exert themselves in the third world from a military perspective.

I just don't see the connection between a Russian who's country helped create the extremist problems in Afganistan, admiring people like Saddam, yet remaining openly critical of the US when Russia herself has done nothing to contribute there to any kind of peace.

Oh, thats right, you'd lose out on arms sales (edit) or some attempt to climb a little bit of moral high ground while you can ignore the sins of the past with a glossy current set of events?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r That's laughable, especially the quaint little mention of Nazism. Obviously the Jihadism propaganda works with some people...

It's warranted, basically there is little difference with nazi invasion of poland and chezchoslovakia and what americans and their puppet allies have done in Iraq among other places . False propaganda, stigmatizing entire population , destroying infrastucture , torture and concentration camps, killings of leaders, installing puppets etc...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r In all your hogwash spamming that you've been able to muster, have you even visited the Digital Video and Imagery Distribution System? ie. the stuff the media won't show you because they figure it doesn't sell? Check it out for yourself and then come back with a little more balanced view... http://www.dvidshub.net/index.php?script=

I see that I struck the nerve but be assured I am well informed and ballanced, I mean I read all the corporate media just for ballance from liberal New York Times to impeccably right Fox news. It's just that I don't take them seriously or on their word because I know better and in this age of internet there is no excuse for ignorance

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Originally posted by Lilith < If I remember correctly a few decades ago the Soviets went rolling through Afganistan on some cultural and social crusade because they thought they where little more than savages.

you can say that about Vietnam and number of other places and it's not really comparable to Afghanistan where communism was actually progressive movement compared to tribal backwardness and islamic fundamentalism prevalent then and now

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Originally posted by Q5echo Erdega's the only racist here. you just happen to be the only one who agrees with him. Erdega hates white people. drop the whole Fox news ad-hominem, ok? that shit is getting tired.

and you hate intelligent and informed people, is that so?

Anyway I am a Serbian Canadian and I am white as anyone but of course this background includes bias against American imperialism twice but Americans and Brits give us so much material even the most ardent Fox watchers are beginning to see things. The recent complete plunge for war on Iraq is a good indicator that most people are starting to wake up albeit too late because that war is out of control and only because of troops casualties .

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Originally posted by erdega you can say that about Vietnam and number of other places and it's not really comparable to Afghanistan where communism was actually progressive movement compared to tribal backwardness and islamic fundamentalism prevalent then and now

Don't talk rubbish, Afganistan had a government in place that was sympathetic to Soviets and was comparatively peaceable, liberal enough of a place for dopey hippies to go backpacking through the large towns and cities without any problems from the locals you wouldnt find anywhere else. At least while the king was in charge.
After he was bumped off things went to hell where the communist governments where put in place and unfunnily enough the 'Godless' heathens to the north where not exactly popular with the locals who retreated into secular, tribal and religious groups who fought back against the communists, who you might remember where anti-religion.
So, the US trained the Mujahideen in Pakistan and eventually the USSR sent in the troops to stop it all and well, rest is history after that was over with no government in place and the 12 in 13 that where not killed in the Afgan war with the soviets stayed in their tribal territories because there wasnt anyone in charge and no one from the US or USSR to help them rebuild their country.
Then it's little wonder the extremists who moved in got the 'job' of running the place simply because they where the only ones left that could make something of the anarchy. All very sad really.

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Originally posted by erdega and you hate intelligent and informed people, is that so? Anyway I am a Serbian Canadian and I am white as anyone but of course this background includes bias against American imperialism twice but Americans and Brits give us so much material even the most ardent Fox watchers are beginning to see things. The recent complete plunge for war on Iraq is a good indicator that most people are starting to wake up albeit too late because that war is out of control and only because of troops casualties .

finally comes out of his shell. keep it up.

yeah, no one likes seeing American soldiers die trying to protect Iraqis at a supermarket i'll give you that. if you do, your one sick f**ker.

anyway, Iraq lives. long live Iraq.

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Originally posted by Q5echo finally comes out of his shell. keep it up. yeah, no one likes seeing American soldiers die trying to protect Iraqis at a supermarket i'll give you that. if you do, your one sick f**ker. anyway, Iraq lives. long live Iraq.

No, he finally has to mention his enthicity because of your false and lousy accusations .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, he finally has to mention his enthicity because of your false and lousy accusations .

good. do you think that makes him more or less credible when he posts shit like "Anglo American dogs"

don't answer that, you're an idiot.

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Originally posted by Q5echo good. do you think that makes him more or less credible when he posts shit like "Anglo American dogs" don't answer that, you're an idiot.

That's pretty funny coming from you.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's pretty funny coming from you.

right, but is he more, or less credible?

I listen to arguments, don't really focus on or care the person it's coming from really. The source has absolutely nothing to do with the quality/validity of the argument. Argumentum ad hominems don't convince me. And alot of people here seem to resort to that instead of actually addressing the argument.

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Originally posted by Q5echo finally comes out of his shell. keep it up. yeah, no one likes seeing American soldiers die trying to protect Iraqis at a supermarket i'll give you that. if you do, your one sick f**ker. anyway, Iraq lives. long live Iraq.

Tell me do you find it sick of American generals to be celebrating murder of civilians or trying to misrepresent it? Do you find it sick to have journalists like Bill O'Reilly who has a top show on television and Thomas Friedman the main foreign editor of NYT to be constantly dehumanizing civilians in foreign lands and inciting their murder for a national megalomania ?


Americans are occupiers and thus solely responsible for safety of people and property. There wasn't any comparable violence before Americans came thus Iraqis have full right to kill american soldiers.

Only as gross as the decades of war between the Albanians and Serbians that had innumerable attrocities on both sides and seeing as youre in Canada its convenient to ignore your own cultural history of similar activity in liu of recent events.

^^ And your point is?

Its sometimes a bit hard to take any kind of moral high ground when youre as dirty as the rest, so perhaps try being a bit more objective perhaps and keep the personal hatreds out of it?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z don't really focus on or care the person it's coming from really.

while i want to say thats bullshit, i'll have to take your word for it.

i will say this, you used to agree with some of the shit i posted but you've somehow come to the conclusion that American soldiers are murderers and Bush kills Arabs for oil which is completely irrational and devoid of any careful thought on a global scale, but as long as people keep telling you that it "doesn't matter who it's coming from".


the source has everything to do with the validity of any argument being argued by the source.

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Originally posted by Q5echo while i want to say thats bullshit, i'll have to take your word for it.

You don't have to lol .

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Originally posted by Q5echo the source has everything to do with the validity of any argument being argued by the source.

No it doesn't. The argument's the same no matter who makes it.

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Originally posted by Lilith Its sometimes a bit hard to take any kind of moral high ground when youre as dirty as the rest, so perhaps try being a bit more objective perhaps and keep the personal hatreds out of it?

And what proof do you have "he's as dirty as the rest"?

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Originally posted by Q5echo while i want to say thats bullshit, i'll have to take your word for it.

I guess I should add unless they demonstrate they're completely irrational, indoctrinated, or don't have any principles, and that fact is relevant to their arguemnt. But if they make a valid argument, it's a valid arguemnt. But erdega is far from any of those in case you're wondering. Your bullshit claim of him being "anti-white" speaks volumes about your credibility on the other hand.

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