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sidechaining the bass with the kick drum has been used professionally for along time before benny benassi, it start in rock music.

not 1% would notice the difference ? hahaha man you got problems.....a gate is totally different then a sidechained compressor haha...funny

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Originally posted by mysticalninja sidechaining the bass with the kick drum has been used professionally for along time before benny benassi, it start in rock music.

Not to the extent that Benassi and the hundreds of copycat producers use it. In pop/rock it's usually a very subtle effect and basically transparent to the listener.

Benassi certainly wasn't the first, just the most well-known. If I recall correctly Kraftwerk was doing it quite some time ago.

its usually a subtle effect in trance too

Thanks again digi! However all new to me and maybe a little advanced at this point? I don't really hear anything significant in the the sample? Other than the bass riff with the 2 chord pad at the beginning of each measure? Can't really hear how they relate to each other? Guess thats why I ain't a producer! lol

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE Thanks again digi! However all new to me and maybe a little advanced at this point? I don't really hear anything significant in the the sample? Other that a bass riff with the 2 chord pad every measure?

you know the "pumping" feel? that is the sidechain at work.

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Originally posted by ASFSE you know the "pumping" feel? that is the sidechain at work.

But what's it got to do with the pad chords? And while were at it. The bass isnt that "pumping" at all. More droned out to me!

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE But what's it got to do with the pad chords? And while were at it. The bass isnt that "pumping" at all. More droned out to me!

well in the sample provided, the pads are being sidechained, and i think the bass is too...

but anyway, cant you hear the pads "pumping"!? it stands out i think...

Sorry dude not really! I just hear the pad at the first bar of every measure. Isnt a pad sort of pumping in itself? Usually used to have a pretty good ear for this sort of thing. Guess not anymore in my old age! lol Maybe I'll look for a more evident example somewhere. Maybe a before and after idea!!!

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE Isnt a pad sort of pumping in itself?

No, the pad isn't pumping at all in itself. The "pumping" is the effect the sidechain compressor is having on the pad.

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE Sorry dude not really! I just hear the pad at the first bar of every measure. Isnt a pad sort of pumping in itself? Usually used to have a pretty good ear for this sort of thing. Guess not anymore in my old age! lol Maybe I'll look for a more evident example somewhere. Maybe a before and after idea!!!

ok listen to this, very simple before and after sidechain....

http://download.yousendit.com/0C07E0115E266EF8

that should make it apparent as to what the sidechain is, hehe

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet Dude!!! Thanks for taking the time to do that for me! Think I got it now! lol
I have heard the effect many times in some songs!
What are you doing compressing or limiting the wave on the off-beats of the kick?


But yet still I do not hear it in the original sample?

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet Dude!!! Thanks for taking the time to do that for me! Think I got it now! lol I have heard the effect many times in some songs! What are you doing compressing or limiting the wave on the off-beats of the kick? But yet still I do not hear it in the original sample?

np, as stated before in this thread, it is a widley used technique.

and i don't know the "technical" way to explain it, but basically you use an input signal to control the pad. in this case i used the kick to duck the synth.

and, it's in the original sample lol, dunno why you can't hear it man!

edit: btw, most of this info is in the stickies.

Thanks again!!!

Heh, yeah... stickies.

I think the point is, if a sidechain effect is done well, you shouldn't really notice it. Even though I'd say it's pretty noticeable in the sample posted, that should be an indication of what I mentioned earlier - subtle compression sounds better than the insane pumping you hear in some tracks.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Heh, yeah... stickies. I think the point is, if a sidechain effect is done well, you shouldn't really notice it. Even though I'd say it's pretty noticeable in the sample posted, that should be an indication of what I mentioned earlier - subtle compression sounds better than the insane pumping you hear in some tracks.

Can the same not be done using automation? Or is this the preferred and simpler method?

I suppose it could be done sure, but why bother when you already have sidechain to do it for you.

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