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very well said

Rubicons are nice, that ribbon tweeter is hot...

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Originally posted by Allied Nations Rubicons are nice, that ribbon tweeter is hot...

Wow... I thought the Resolv were better then them and cheaper also... the Rubicon sound like the tweeter is turned off... eek... Didn't like at all...

Then you were probably outside the sweet spot. Ribbon tweeters are known for having a vary small range in terms of width.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Then you were probably outside the sweet spot. Ribbon tweeters are known for having a vary small range in terms of width.

Yep, but when made with cheasp metrial and in low conditions then they are worthless...
On the Adam the ART's are amazing. On the Samson, they sound bad...

Just tested the Genelecs 8020A's

At first I didnt wanna spend �399 on some speakers, and I din't thinkt hey would be very good with the 4" cone, etc.

But holy crap, they tore everything apart.

Crystal clear sound, deep tight bass, and a massive sound for such a small speaker.

Depsite the suprising bass response of these speakers, everything else remained crisp, and overall they sounded very honest and clean.

If you can, you should try these out at all costs.

I bought a pair of Dynaudio BM5as on june 3rd 2006 but owing to shitty complications in which Digital Village persistantly ship me fucked up speakers or ex return/b stock models I've only had about 4 or 5 dyas use out of them.

I like them. When I'm not in fear that the tweeter is going to burst again. They are really sensitive to positioning though and if you get them in just the right spot and play a click track, then move your head side to side a few inches you can sense the change in direction which is amazing. But it also means you will move them around all over the place and you have to sit fairly still and in the same place all the time or you will end up moving the speakers around again.

They sound horrendous when you stick them close to walls and your room has a slight echo. I ended up spending hours just moving them around and fiddling with the dip switches to get them to sound good. If you stick them close to walls you have to drop the bass dip switches or you get horrid flutter echoes. In my old house, due to space constraints I had one of the speakers adjacent to a wall with a 5 inch gap or so. The dip switch settings for that speaker were totally different to the other monitor and it never sounded right.

I moved house and my room is now huuuge so I can sit them in the middle of the room and I loved the sound off them in the time I had a working pair but my walls and floor are really thin so I can't monitor loud without peeing off my neighbors.

The thing that got me most about the bm5as is how sensitive they are to positioning sounds. If you don't pan things right or use too much stereo spreading it sounds really wrong.

My only beef is that I have had 5 days use out of a pair of speakers that I should have had brand new and in working condition nearly 7 months ago. Ive gone through 3 pairs and now I don't know if I am just getting dud ex returns or something. Ive had one tweeter burst on me (really *loudly*) and now the other suspected ex return speaker I have pops periodically. I think its going to burst like the old one as that one was making popping noises until it eventually went with a huge bang.

Word of caution with buying Dynaudio speakers. No volume controls so its all software side. When you first get them, turn windows mixer volume down to zero. All the faders. Turn all the gain controls in your sequencer down to zero and slowly increase them. The worst thing that could happen is if you just plugged them in, set the output source to +4 dB on both speakers only to have a windows system sound blow your head off at 120 dB.

If you use modular circuits or matrixes don't ever get a feedback loop because you can't suddenly kill the volume if it gets too much. You have to leap up and reach around the back of the speakers to turn the power off. It takes about 2 seconds for the volume to fade by which time you might have wrecked your ears and the drivers. So just be careful.

i have bm5 passives. bought them online after listening to powered speakers in the same price range. im pleased with them! no room to move them around here, but they seem to sound tons better with an audiolab 8000a than rp 8's and the others i heard. not too basey tho. thats where my sub comes into the picture.

Derivative - Can't you control the sound with your external sound card? Or are you using a desktop?

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Originally posted by Fledz Derivative - Can't you control the sound with your external sound card? Or are you using a desktop?

You can control the output volume using the software mixer on your soundcard. I have a Delta 1010 so theres an icon in my system tray. But put it like this: You accidentally add a multimode filter to the signal chain with a distortion unit. You get a feedback loop and unknowingly press play. Your head explodes. You now have to run the mouse down to your system tray, click it open, navigate to the inputs/outputs page and mute both channels.

It takes alot longer than rushing for the volume dial on the monitor and turning it down real fast.

Also, setting BM5as to output with +4dB sensitivity makes them really fucking loud. Like scarily loud. The first time I got my BM5as, I plugged them in +4dB, lowered the Delta mixer output level to -55dB and tentatively opened Fruity Loops. The explosion sound on startup damn near knocked me off my chair.

So the bottomline is: if you are interested in getting Dynaudio monitors, you need to get into the habit of turning all gain controls down to zero. Then turning the monitors on. Then increasing the output gain until the signal is audible. Otherwise you can accidentally blow your head off. Everytime you add some dynamics processor to the signal chain, turn the output gain on the processor down, then increase it until it is audible. We should all be doing this really but I used to produce on shitty 9 watt PC speakers so I never bothered with gain controls. Its not like doing anything on them is going to blow your head off using 9 watts of raw POWERRR.

If you are used to using powerful speakers then I guess you already know this stuff but the advice is for the benefit of those who are making a huge upgrade.

Yea I know what you mean. I did that with my headphones. All I can say is ouch!

But I plan on getting an external audio interface so I can use that for the volume. Software sucks for changing levels.

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Originally posted by Fledz Yea I know what you mean. I did that with my headphones. All I can say is ouch! But I plan on getting an external audio interface so I can use that for the volume. Software sucks for changing levels.

Yeah I'm beginning to see some really big advantages to having hands on gain controls. I think Dynaudio typically assume people using their speakers already have external mixers with gain controls, hence why they don't put any on their monitors.

Well shit, I guess we are in the minority then...

To add to the Behringer Truths rant:

I had those about 2 years ago, and when i first got them, i thought they were a godsend. They cost so little and sounded so much. The highs were crisp, lows were good. Only after a while i started to notice that after listening to them for a while, my ears would get tired, felling a bit like they are stuffed with cotton balls. Later i figured out that these monitors had a "dip" in the high frequency response, just before the absolute highs. I never did frequency response tests, but i can say that low-highs were missing and high-highs were there. Later on, i decided to put my credit card to use (big mistake...) and got a pair of HR824's. Definitely worth the price. They are just better... Also, someone here misunderstands "value". I believe value is not set by cheap price, but by quality.

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Originally posted by antronx I believe value is not set by cheap price, but by quality.

?!

Value in the sense of the dismal science (economics) is the worth of those resources sacrificed in return, lay off the crack

Your right, but you cant get stuff for free. If the price is too good to be true, there is always a catch. And NO, crack stays!

I friend of mine goes to a school for mixing ect.. and he knows one of the engineers that mixes on imac speakers. His mixers are sweet. So i guess it just goes to show you that you just need to know what your speakers sound like and what format your mixing for. knowing how to mix can;t hurt either.

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Originally posted by Limit I friend of mine goes to a school for mixing ect.. and he knows one of the engineers that mixes on imac speakers. His mixers are sweet. So i guess it just goes to show you that you just need to know what your speakers sound like and what format your mixing for. knowing how to mix can;t hurt either.

Absolutely, but the purpose of better monitors is to make it easier for you. Not everyone is as skilled as others and many need a good system.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations NOOO the ROkit 5s sound horrible! go for the Event ALP5, so smooth.

Are you gonna give him the additional $300 to his budget?

just thought id throw this comical shot into your thread

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Originally posted by TrickDaddE Are you gonna give him the additional $300 to his budget?

i bought my ALP5s for like 20 or 30 more than the RP5s.. they are in the same range...

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Originally posted by richg101 just thought id throw this comical shot into your thread

Dont you just love the thoughtful pose?

As if to say, 'I'm thinking about what would happen if I compressed a kickdrum track with a 6:1 ratio on a threshold of -25dB through an attack envelope of about 12 milliseconds. I may think geeky thoughts but I'm still sexy anyway. Check out the lighting on my pores and the pale foundation that my make up artist used to make me irresistable to women...'

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