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Ok as I see it, here in the states trance in general has just started to take hold. All the non-US people here have to understand that the US invented and loves house music..For a while I was into the house music scene because there was no alternative, but I got sick of listening to fired up by funky green dogs and in general house music is very played out, although the majority of clubs especially in New York are playing House music. This scene is starting to change and progressive house is taking hold..along with it trance, I personally feel that trance is the most sophisticated form of techno and is loosely based on classical music, along with some pop,new wave and ambient elements, which is why trance is so big in the UK. Personally I never enjoyed pure techno, I look at Trance as the highest form of techno, so I can't agree with the people here saying that the future of trance is back to techno, I think that's stepping down a few notches. Trance is a progressive music format which means its always changing back and forth but even better higher and higher, so as we keep changing, we also keep refining, that's why we see so many offshoots of trance because people are constantly experimenting. I doubt uplifting will ever completely fade away because Trance by its very nature is good feelings and friends and the music only serves to enhance that feeling. Progressive will always combine the elements of techno and house with classical thus progressive House/Trance, I personally enjoy progressive especially at clubs because it is more danceable, but at the same time there are times I like to just chill and listen to quality trance, I personally like the uplifting and epic forms of trance, but these too are progressive because anything that moves trance forward, by definition is progressive. So unlike some people in this thread I would hope that trance keeps moving upward and not regressing back to basic techno or house elements. I'm not too worried because we have DJ's and producers like Tiesto, Armin,PVD,and Corsten. These guys keep refining trance. I think what makes the future of trance so bright is the fact that we have many different remixers and we know what to expect from each one. The great thing about the variety of trance is that songs which were not originally one type of trance can be made into a completely different genre, in other words a song like safri duo-played alive was never meant to be a pure trance song, but once airscape got ahold of it suddenly it became an a progressive/uplifting tune, anyway guys/girls as long as we have a broad range of remixers we will always have different varieties of the same song to suit different people. I don't think any specific type will fade away except for maybe the trendy garbage and shite like happy hardcore. trance appeals to a broad range of electronica fans because with it comes the ability to choose, and having choices should ensure that Trance will stay around for years to come.
Mizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Heh, there's one thing I don't get. What's so great about Safri Duo - Played Alive? I hate that song 
Mindbender, i was just using that as an example. I'm just trying to show that there are so many possibilities with all the different remixers that we shouldn't be worried, we should start worrying when all the remixers stop remixing, at that point trance will become stagnant and will no longer progress...
mizzzz
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| Originally posted by Paul Wilson Oh no, I can't stand hardhouse, especially shit like Public Domain as I've mentioned so many times before. I also can't the rubbish like BK, Lisa Lashes, Ingo and Whiteman etc, (who ruined Signum "Just Do It") with wailing siren noises and male voices shouting nonsnense about house's and shit, I find it like a form of torture! I don't even class these people as proper DJ's! |
Well, that's just my opinion. But the ridiculous BPM's and the stupid shouting really gives me a headache sand I can;t stand it!
Back to what mizzuno said
I agree with the thing u said about it going back to techno, the only techno stuff i like is what i would call hybrid techno, u know techno-trance or something. Mauro Picotto style...
As for giving one artist as having the sound of the future, i would say the offspring of Sandra Collins & James Holden (damn he'd be lucky to get in a position to haff offspring with her...)
Sandra Collins: she usually plays/makes highly emotional prog trance, combined with funky beats and generally amazing little bits and bobs that stab at you on the dance floor (if u heard her play at gatecrasher you would know exactly what i mean)
James Holden: This dude combines tight, pounding, driving basslines with the art of pushing all the right buttons at all the right times. All i need to say about this geezer is listen to Mad Dogz - Better Make Room (James Holden Remix) if u havent already, it would explain everything i want to say here that i cant put into words.
Peace
is it just me.. or is Sandra Collins rather attractive??
James holden IS at oxford rite??
or is it oxford brookes???
Epic Trance (Tiesto) is dying. Tiesto has a limited track selection. I LOVE him but u must realize he plays the same choons in all his sets.
There is more progressive house being made than trance...& more cheesy than good. Even PVD the King of Trance is playing less & less epic trance & more progressive house. Pvd's style has evolved, he's adapted to today's sound.
The future sound is prog trance, tech house & break beats. U.K HH isn't big in NYC. We have NY HH cheese. Boris & Tony Draper. Twilo is all bout progressive muzik, Picotto is the only guest that plays HH.
I would have to disagree with u twilo goddess, epic trance is far from over, in fact i believe that rank1 and tiesto have made epic trance a major genre. I totally agree that NY is all about HH cheese, variety is not our strong point. I believe that epic trance has gained in popularity. To say tiesto is fading is definitely not true, i had a friend who went to Limelight and saw him as well as another friend who saw him in san diego, both said it was packed although i think he played a better set in Cali. Fact of the matter is, Tiesto is far from over(to quote the name of a song). In fact is the one who is pushing the evolution of trance. Another point is a couple years ago everyone had written trance off to die.....now we know that was premature and if anything is gaining in popularity. You will always have a few different genres of trance because different people like the same tunes presented in different ways. For some reason everyone thinks that a certain type of music music be replaced by another and that the two can't coincide...thats where my problem lies. Just look at rock...many different genres coexist with each other and thats only becuase of one thing.....listeners and a large number of them, so instead of everyone frowning on the fact that trance is getting commercial we should be happy becuase with more people comes a larger selection...
Mizzzuno
I saw Tiesto at Limelight 2 wks ago
I didn't say Tiesto was fading. Limelight was extremely packed b/c it was Tiesto's first NYC appearance. I was a lil disappointed w/Tiesto. He played old tracks & then encored w/Silence. Granted it's his remix, it's 7 months old, beyond played out & on every 1 of his sets in 00 & trance compliation.
Look at what's being produced. 3 months into the new year, there hasn't been so many epic trance records. Everything is progressive, deep, funky, not as fast & uplifting (ie: James Holden).
Point well taken Twilo goddeess but at the same time you have to remember that people in the US have no clue about trance, in fact if u have ever listened to 92.7 on monday night(they play progessive and trance) you would see that nobody knows about old trance so everyone thinks songs like madagascar are new, but it really doesn't matter becuase to the people in NY it might as well be new because they have never heard it before because NY classically is not into progressive music, but as i said that's changing. I would bet you that over half the people at Limelight couldn't tell the difference between the new and old trance songs...sorry but true...
Mizzzuno
Carl Cox said "if anyone could revolutionalize trance it would be PVD".
Let's be honest here, no doubt we all LOVE epic trance but its on its way out. It's gettin repetetive & its not fresh anymore. 
We are Alive & Tell me Why are pure cheese!
Yeah well carl cox isn't exactly a pure trance DJ, if epic is on its way out then rank 1 wouldn't be so popular...just cause they don't play it at twilo doesn't mean its going out of favor. One more point if epic is going out of style why would airscape be such a popular remixer and why would the dutch DJ's be doing so well, next thing you'll say is that ARMIN is is getting played, i understand your point but at the same time the facts just don't back it up, great thing about the net though...you're entitled to your opinion..
Mizzzzz
Doesn't matter that CC isn't a trance DJ. Rank 1 is popular on this board. Most ppl don't even know Rank 1 is or that they play choons. Airwave is what got them recognized. Armin Van Buuren is far from played, he hasn't even made it to NY & neither has Johan Gielen. Airscape is good a remixer, but they're no Deep Dish.
johan gielen vs deep dish.....no contest...i can't believe ur mentioning them in the same breath...gielen wins hands down!
Mizzz
Hehe mizz and twilogodess, u guyz are jokez...
I just thought about what u two were posting and I gotta say most people are not into trance as much as we are, they don't care if so and so song is this old or if so and so producer didn't just pop out yesterday, which isn't bad.. these are the peepz who will be having the most fun at parties/clubs that feature epic djs.. but for the peepz who are into the music and who are especially tranceaddicts like us, they will be bored of the stuff that we've listened to the last couple of years...
I love epic trance, but I rather have a break from it then listen to same ol shit.. I'm happy with the progressive style (true trance is progressive, but I'm talking about the form that is popular right now, most peepz call it progressive) soon we'll be sick of that and move on to something else, meanwhile non of us will forget about system f or gouryella or pvd cuz they will always rule, but I wanna not get to the point where I'm gonna hate them from being overplayed...
latez...
Well Furee as always i agree!
Mizz
It's absolutely ridiculous trying to compare Airscape with Deep Dish, it's like trying to compare a car with a paintbrush!
*cough cough*
airscape's remix ability is seamless...
deep dish's is quite good too.. BUT
1) airscape is trance
2) deepdish is deep house
they are incomparable..
dissimilar..
non-synchronous..
outrageous..
airscape + deepdish in the same sentence = does not make sense.. unless the topic is "examples of remixers"
there..
Sandra Collins
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| Originally posted by infinity is it just me.. or is Sandra Collins rather attractive?? James holden IS at oxford rite?? or is it oxford brookes??? |
and James Holden is in his last year at oxford heheh, soon to be in the big wide world of bein amazin at making trance (can't wait)
lol thats what i thought..
a ha! this has inspired me..
lol.. new threadddd!!!
I feel like bringing in a little controversy in this topic myself ...
From what I hear right now the trance released lately is getting worse and worse each week ... just listen through the sound samples on Juno. It's horrible ... it sounds like everybody is stealing samples, ideas, and melodies from a few tracks that used to be big two years ago. It just doesn't have the kick and creativity older releases used to be full of. I guess that's mostly why trance isn't as big as it used to be since everybody just got fed up with the same sound being recycled over and over again - and I blame the blatant commercialization of the music for this ... the cheesy catchy melodies seemed to sell really good so everybody just jumped on the bandwagon and started producing cookiecutter tunes. I used to be into epic trance a while ago but after hearing the same thing at every party it just gets very tedious. Give it another year and there will probably be a noticable split between the hard dark sounds of real trance (ie. the way it used to be to begin with - fast hard meanacing sounds with trippy hypnotic synth lines ... like Hardsequencer, or Members of Mayday pre '97) and the commercial Tiesto / Corsten / .../ fluff that gave trance a bad name.
I can totally see hardhouse follow the same path, even now a lot of people who used to swear by it are switching styles ...
and here's some comments ...
Infinity, you said that "DJ'ing hard house ain't easy.. "
Hardhouse / NuNRG is one of (if not THE) easiest style to spin ... takes very little effort and musical knowledge, mainly because the tracks are structured very simplistically and they have a very dominant kickdrum so it is very easy to match up the beats and bring two tunes together. With trance you need to blend in complex and layered melodies which is quite difficult (if you're doing it properly).
peace
to me..
deep progressive house...
is probably the easiest to spin..
i agree to a certain extent that HH is easy... but i wouldn't say that its that easy..
that would be too much of a generalization..
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| Originally posted by skywarp the hard dark sounds of real trance (ie. the way it used to be to begin with - fast hard meanacing sounds with trippy hypnotic synth lines ... like Hardsequencer, or Members of Mayday pre '97) |
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| Originally posted by skywarp I feel like bringing in a little controversy in this topic myself ... From what I hear right now the trance released lately is getting worse and worse each week ... just listen through the sound samples on Juno. It's horrible ... it sounds like everybody is stealing samples, ideas, and melodies from a few tracks that used to be big two years ago. It just doesn't have the kick and creativity older releases used to be full of. I guess that's mostly why trance isn't as big as it used to be since everybody just got fed up with the same sound being recycled over and over again - and I blame the blatant commercialization of the music for this ... peace |
thats why prog is taking off big time over here because people are hankering for new sounds and new ideas 
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