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Originally posted by LazFX DEATH TO IRAN!!!! there i said it, lets go out and burn little pictures of the Ayatolla. Lets burn the Iranian Flag and chant death to Iran....

Go back to Iraq you pussy soldier wanna be.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer what did removing and killing Saddam do to make the world safer you moron?

Fir3start3r, you're seriously getting owned right now.

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Originally posted by Lilith Oh no dont go there, aren't you aware of 'Godwin's Law' of internet arguments?

Trust me. I run the debate section on a local forum I'm on. Call it a well placed jab that will actually make this topic in a long line of U.S. vs. Iran topics a little more interesting than the norm.

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Originally posted by venomX It is sad that the US hasn't learned it's lesson on how the culture of these countries work. Attacking Iran won't divide them more, or weaken them, it will only create more ammunition for the extremists and drive the people of Iran to the arms of those extremists. I wonder if they really think that attacking them is going to drive the moderates to say 'hey maybe we should bend over and take it up the ass some more, yeah!'. I mean it certainly worked in Lebanon right? Wasn't Hezbollah disarmed recently?! I guess americans have it right, ignorance is bliss.

Amen to that.

Iam glad to see a few people here with a working,logical brain.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer what did removing and killing Saddam do to make the world safer you moron?

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List of Saddam's Crimes Is Long The Former Dictator Was Executed for One of His Lesser Atrocities Dec. 30, 2006 � - Saddam Hussein was hanged for ordering the deaths of 148 Shiite men and boys in the village of Dujail after an assassination attempt there in 1982. But by the standards of his brutal rule, the Dujail killings were a relatively minor crime. The exact number of deaths attributable to Saddam Hussein may never be known, but estimates range as high as half a million. There is evidence of more than 250 mass graves dating to his rule. Following is a list of other crimes Saddam is accused of. The most notorious is his genocidal campaign against the Kurds in the north. The trial for those murders, and for others, will now continue with the remaining defendants. 1974 -- Dawa Killings Five leaders of the Shiite Islamic Dawa Party were sentenced to death and killed as Saddam consolidated his power. In 2004, those murders were among many charges announced against Saddam. The U.S. State Department estimates thousands of Saddam's political rivals were killed. 1980 -- Fayli Deportations and Killings Thousands of Kurds of the Fayli sect were persecuted. Some were expelled to Iran, others killed. Saddam thought of them as Iranian, and therefore as enemies. Fayli women were often imprisoned or put into camps. 1983 -- Barzani Abductions After the Iraqi-based Kurdistan Democratic Party allied with Iran during the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam sought to punish the clan and its leader, Massoud Barzani. More than 5,000 males, some as young as 10, disappeared. Decades later the remains of 512 Barzani men were discovered in a mass grave. They were reinterred in 2005. A letter that shows Saddam's direct involvement in the crimes was discovered in Baghdad. 1988 -- Al-Anfal Campaign From February to September 1988, Saddam conducted what has been called a genocidal campaign against the Kurdish population. Gen. Ali Hassan al-Majid, or "Chemical Ali," Saddam's cousin, carried out the Al-Anfal operation using chemical weapons. Human Rights Watch estimates between 50,000 and 100,000 died. Kurdish officials and some international human rights groups put the number killed as high as 182,000. Saddam was on trial for the Anfal campaign at the time of his execution. Six defendants remain in the Al-Anfal case, including "Chemical Ali," who is facing charges of genocide. 1988 -- Halabja Gassing During the Anfal campaign, "Chemical Ali" ordered an attack against civilians in the town of Halabja. Iraqi forces dropped bombs containing mustard and nerve gases. An estimated 5,000 men, women and children died in a single day. Many more died from long-term medical problems, and birth defects are still common in the area. 1990s -- Marsh Arabs Devastated Saddam attacked the Shiite "Marsh Arabs" by destroying their land. Once a significant wetland, the marshes in southern Iraq were devastated by a government drainage plan that left behind a wasteland. In 1991, 250,000 Marsh Arabs lived in the region. Now 90 percent of the area is in ruins and only an estimated 20,000 people remain. Tens of thousands live in refugee camps in Iran. Efforts are now underway to restore the marshes. Human Rights Watch calls the campaign against the Marsh Arabs a crime against humanity and other rights activists call it genocide. There are claims chemical weapons also were used. 1990 -- Invasion of Kuwait In August of 1990, Saddam ordered the Iraqi military, the fourth largest military in the world at the time, to invade Kuwait, leading to the 1991 Gulf War. Iraqi soldiers are accused of torturing and executing hundreds of Kuwaitis, as well as taking hostages and looting. More than 700 oil wells were set on fire and pipelines opened, spilling oil into the Gulf. 1991 -- Kurdish and Shiite Rebellions After heeding President George H.W. Bush's call to rebel against Saddam, Shiites and Kurds were crushed by immense Iraqi military force. Saddam turned his military against the people as part of his widespread crackdown after the war. The rebels thought they would have the backing of the U.S. military. Thousands have been discovered in mass graves. 1999 -- Al-Sadr Assassination Ayatollah Muhammed al-Sadr, father of prominent Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, and two of his sons were assassinated in 1999. Al-Sadr was a well-liked Shiite leader, and his death spawned Shiite uprisings in Baghdad. As he had previously, Saddam cracked down on the rebellion and hundreds were killed. In a statement responding to the execution, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki said, "Let the families of Iraqi martyrs killed in mass graves, Anfal, Halabja or those executed in the cells of the dead regime be happy. The mothers, orphans and widows should celebrate the death of the buried dictator."

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And thats just the stuff we KNOW and not including his two hell spawn that God knows what they did to woman and everyone else.
I'm sure the Iraqi people have tons of other horror stories.

Go stick you head back in the sand, the world is fine as long as the States don't have anything to do with it...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Fir3start3r, you're seriously getting owned right now.

See above

And stop watching those damn paranoia vids dood...lol

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Go back to Iraq you pussy soldier wanna be.

Soldier?? Pu$$y? wow, you owned me there lil buddy.

back on ignore

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Originally posted by LazFX Soldier?? Pu$$y? wow, you owned me there lil buddy. back on ignore

Don't worry, he has no idea what freedom is other than enjoying it.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r >>Source<< And thats just the stuff we KNOW and not including his two hell spawn that God knows what they did to woman and everyone else. I'm sure the Iraqi people have tons of other horror stories. Go stick you head back in the sand, the world is fine as long as the States don't have anything to do with it...

shall I start diggin for some of Bush's crimes?

what made Saddam so special compare to other dictators around the world?why did he get the honour of getting killed?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r See above And stop watching those damn paranoia vids dood...lol

Shut the hell up you fucking cocksucker. I didn't buy into bullshit propaganda about WMDs that didn't exist and support a war of agression. You're the one who's paranoid you hypocritical fuck.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Don't worry, he has no idea what freedom is other than enjoying it.

whats freedom to you?killing and invading other countries so that your lazy fat ass will be safe here?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z you fucking cocksucker. hypocritical fuck.

That he is.

This country was created on the belief that imperialism was a pretty nasty thing to get tangled up in, and that instead of following that path we should be an example for others to follow. Now we are without question the most imperialistic nation in the world, and WWII really has a lot to do with why that happend. I honestly believe the world would be a much different place had FRD lived long enough to take care of the post war foreign relations instead of Truman.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Shut the hell up you fucking cocksucker. I didn't buy into bullshit propaganda about WMDs that didn't exist and support a war of agression. You're the one who's paranoid you hypocritical fuck.

Very mature and intellectual.

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC Very mature and intellectual.

Indeed.

Breath Scoob! Breath Scoob!!

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC Very mature and intellectual.

lol and how would you out of all the people would know about being mature and intellectual?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer shall I start diggin for some of Bush's crimes? what made Saddam so special compare to other dictators around the world?why did he get the honour of getting killed?

He got the honor because he was easy to push around. And I seriously doubt the Iranians will be as receptive to Bush's agression as Saddam was.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r >>Source<< And thats just the stuff we KNOW and not including his two hell spawn that God knows what they did to woman and everyone else. I'm sure the Iraqi people have tons of other horror stories. Go stick you head back in the sand, the world is fine as long as the States don't have anything to do with it...

If i am correct the invasion was not due to even ONE of the crimes listed there. If i am also correct plenty of you in the pro-war camp use the apologetic 'because wrong was made in the past doesn't mean we can't try and fix it in the future'. After all, the states have done many a blunder in the past yet you who put said country on a pedestal have an inclination to obviate the past without any attempts at reimbursement to those who you have wronged, and keep blundering on like a rabid elephant . But those matters apart, your post illustrates past events, in a nutshell let us know how the world is safer now after the invasion. We don't need a quick lesson in history, or a short of list of fiascoes, we want to know how the world is safer NOW that Saddamn is not at the head of Iraq anymore. Last time i checked your own 'intelligence' organisms were saying the exact opposite!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol and how would you out of all the people would know about being mature and intellectual?

Not you! Thats for sure

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Originally posted by venomX If i am correct the invasion was not due to even ONE of the crimes listed there. If i am also correct plenty of you in the pro-war camp use the apologetic 'because wrong was made in the past doesn't mean we can't try and fix it in the future'. After all, the states have done many a blunder in the past yet you who put said country on a pedestal have an inclination to obviate the past without any attempts at reimbursement to those who you have wronged, and keep blundering on like a rabid elephant . But those matters apart, your post illustrates past events, in a nutshell let us know how the world is safer now after the invasion. We don't need a quick lesson in history, or a short of list of fiascoes, we want to know how the world is safer NOW that Saddamn is not at the head of Iraq anymore. Last time i checked your own 'intelligence' organisms were saying the exact opposite!

Would you say the same about the effort to capture
Milosevic? That using his past is not good enough
but they must answer how the world would be safer
without him?

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC Would you say the same about the effort to capture Milosevic? That using his past is not good enough but they must answer how the world would be safer without him?

Although related it is not the same situation, the US did not invade his country in order to capture him. The US did not destroy the lives of thousands and crippled the ability of that piece of land to be a nation severely. The US did not circumvent the will of most of the world, and lie and deceive in order to bring Milosevic to justice. Due to all that the US didn't do in the Milosevic case there was not the chaos that is now present in Iraq. It is also worthy to note that Milosevic was not in a volatile region were sectarianism is high, and the risk of war(s) is so high. What the US did is akin to trying to do neurosurgery with a butcher's knife. So although i understand the correlations the comparison is not a valid one. Did Saddamn need to be removed? Yes. Was the method the mos appropriate one? Hell no.

Now that I've answered your questions maybe you could address my post instead of going off on a tangent.

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Originally posted by venomX It is also worthy to note that Milosevic was not in a volatile region were sectarianism is high, and the risk of war(s) is so high.

Nice. I love this place for comments just like that.

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Originally posted by Arbiter

I thought the same thing... Think alot of people
from Milosevic's region would dispute that statement.

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