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Originally posted by dj_kane i do my quick transitions like this. havent done a mix in over a month felt good [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Well done.

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Originally posted by nefardec the hard cut: I would say use it sparingly. PvD does way too many hard cuts in my opinion, mainly because he has to given that every other track is an explosive 'banger' and they sound like shit on top of eachother. I think it tears a set apart and makes it predictable.

there's a reason why pvd does so many hard cuts. he mixes many more tracks in a same period of time than other trance dj's do. listen to his livesets carefully and u'll just hear track after track after track. listen to someone like Markus Schulz or armin (not so much as markus) and many times you'll just hear beats on top of beats on top of beats before finally the bassline drops in once again.


i tend to try and follow the same idea Nem pointed out of trying to avoid having just beats on top of each other. my main goal is to always have basslines transitioning into other basslines or long sound effects sweeps which lead to bassline drops. many times i even have the incoming basslines riding quietly underneath outgoing basslines as well. this helps to ensure the energy is always transferred and continues to chug along. this could be a bit risky at times if the melodies don't exactly match up but thats what i always try to train my ear for.

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of course this quick transitioning i usually stick with trance, techy, electro or big bassline type stuff. when i'm doing prog house i go for the smooth and buttery...

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Originally posted by dj_kane i do my quick transitions like this. havent done a mix in over a month felt good [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

That sounded very nice.

i made a sample. will post when i get home from school.

since i am way too lazy to shift around everything in my room to hook my mixer back up to the PC... i tracked down an old set of mine. this has to be over 2 years old.

in any case, here's a sample of a quick cut i did. back then, i wasn't as spot on with my beatmatching as i would have liked, but i think this illustrates the point quite nicely.

etsche into acid lullaby

the point of this cut was to utilize the natural break in the track. at the beginning, the outgoing track is alone. a few seconds in, i faded in my next track (you'll notice the hihats). i let it play over the outgoing track for a bit, waiting for it's intro break to come. when that was over, since i knew a big acid bassline was coming in, i slapped my faders into their respective places.

whats the first song in that track... its on the tip iof my tongue


and good transition btw

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Originally posted by trancinchink of course this quick transitioning i usually stick with trance, techy, electro or big bassline type stuff. when i'm doing prog house i go for the smooth and buttery...

Trancemusic isn't made for quick transactions, the music aren't made in that way. So your wrong in that sentence.

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Originally posted by dj christian Trancemusic isn't made for quick transactions, the music aren't made in that way. So your wrong in that sentence.

theres no rules in any music. its not made for any sort of mixing you can do what you want with it.

Hey Kane did you do that mix on cdjs? I used to do mixes like that all the time with vinyl but I find that on cdjs they dont give as much and for some reason my fast mixes dont seem to sound as good as they did on vinyl.. not sure if it's because they're more digital or.. *shrug*

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Originally posted by wink Hey Kane did you do that mix on cdjs? I used to do mixes like that all the time with vinyl but I find that on cdjs they dont give as much and for some reason my fast mixes dont seem to sound as good as they did on vinyl.. not sure if it's because they're more digital or.. *shrug*

rusch & murray - epic (a & b remix) was on vinyl and sean tyas - lift was on cdj800mk2.

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Originally posted by theognis1002 whats the first song in that track... its on the tip iof my tongue and good transition btw

Geoff White - Etsche

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Originally posted by dj christian Trancemusic isn't made for quick transactions, the music aren't made in that way. So your wrong in that sentence.

I have to disagree with you my friend.
That has nothing to do with the music and everything to do with the DJ. It is fair to say that not everything works with quick transitions but you will find that when you play out you have to do what is necessary to excite people, and if that's to inject energy by the way you mix and your mix placement then that's what you need to do.

Ultimately the choice to quick mix is defined by your skills with the EQ and the ability to choose the right moment in the track. To think that a music style is not supposed to be one thing or another will limit your creativity. Sure you will find things that sound like arse but you always learn something new and your ability to think outside the box is what makes you develop, and not sticking to the norm.

Cheers
Nem

Here's my quick hard cut contribution to this thread

Hopefully the link works for you, you have to copy and paste it.

http://waxdj.com/download.php?band_id=474&song_id=12272&mode=song_hifi

If it dosn't work just go here and choose to stream or download it.

http://waxdj.com/DJ88

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Originally posted by dj_kane i do my quick transitions like this. havent done a mix in over a month felt good [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

i love that.. good work. :-D

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there's a reason why pvd does so many hard cuts. he mixes many more tracks in a same period of time than other trance dj's do. listen to his livesets carefully and u'll just hear track after track after track. listen to someone like Markus Schulz or armin (not so much as markus) and many times you'll just hear beats on top of beats on top of beats before finally the bassline drops in once again.

Yeah I've heard many pvd sets live and in headphones before - actually that's the problem I have with him is "many more tracks in the same period of time". Sometimes it's great to mix short and kill the crowd, but done too much and i think it just gets choppy and takes away from the 'dance' part of dance music, and becomes like a bouncy pvd favorites megamix, but i could extend this into a disseration on the structure of modern megatrance - i think a lot of the tracks, being so 'dominant' or 'overbearing' as individual 'songs', that come from producers all wanting to create the big dancefloor-killing megatrack, etc DEMAND that the DJ mix them either like you say, beats on beats, or with pvd cuts, because the songs no longer mix well together, each wants to be the star in the mix. DJs are forced to either mix intro-outro and cut out at breakdowns or the first chord change or mix breakdowns on breakdowns and cut out/swap the bass or drop it hard to avoid massive muddy sounds with thousands of pads and two competing melodies.

(you know as opposed to older trance and today's progressive house, tribal house, and 'neo-trance' stuff , and many other genres coming out, which can be 'mixed' in the sense of blended not just juxtaposed.)

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Originally posted by dj_kane i do my quick transitions like this. havent done a mix in over a month felt good [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

That sounded great!

To a guy who's not so familiar as to how to achieve that sound, would you care to share what you did on your mixer to achieve that?

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Originally posted by inflight101 That sounded great! To a guy who's not so familiar as to how to achieve that sound, would you care to share what you did on your mixer to achieve that?

ok well firstly i no my tracks well so i no when to drop it in. in this case i new that 'lift's' bass would drop just as 'epic's' was main melody was coming to an end. so at the end of the last breakdown in epic i got lift ready and released it as soon as the breakdown ended.

i always have my mids at 1 o'clock on my djm600 never change them for any track it may work well for others but not for me. i have the bass of the incoming track totally down so theres no low end competing with the track playing. i also have the hi's of the incoming track totally down but i increase them at the end of every phrase. as the last phrase of the playing track starts the hi's will be perfect for how i like them then i get ready to do a quick bass swap with the incoming track. i wait until about 4 beats at the end of the playing tracking then quickly cut that bass and bring the incoming track up to 12 o clock.

hope this helps.

I'm going to try that tonight! Thanks for the info.

I think the key is to make it SOUND like a quick transition, even though the tracks are being mixed for a long time.

Jarv

Definitely, but being technical then I might say that's not so much a cut as a drop. But who really cares.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I think the key is to make it SOUND like a quick transition, even though the tracks are being mixed for a long time. Jarv

yea that is the key to it. thats why i keep the low end completely off as you want to make that sudden impact when you do the cut. all quick transitions work similar pvd has the track being mixed in for a while before doing a quick crossover.

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Originally posted by dj_kane ......pvd has the track being mixed in for a while before doing a quick crossover.

Yeah - what always used to interest me about the rather special way PvD did it was that you wouldn't notice for the minute the incoming track is coming in, then as soon as it kicks in I'd think - fuck - he got me again, I never saw it coming!! It was almost like a game, I'd try and work out if I could hear an incoming track - and I almost never could!

The mans got skill......

Jarv

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister Yeah - what always used to interest me about the rather special way PvD did it was that you wouldn't notice for the minute the incoming track is coming in, then as soon as it kicks in I'd think - fuck - he got me again, I never saw it coming!! It was almost like a game, I'd try and work out if I could hear an incoming track - and I almost never could! The mans got skill...... Jarv

yea thats why i still enjoy his sets. and go to ibiza every year and try and get to see him twice. theres alot of haters but the guy deserves respect. hes proven he can mix on turntables so if he uses ableton big deal everyone knows what hes capable of.

A lot of the top trance DJs who don't play progressive do quick cuts or much shorter transitions than those who play progressive. Seems like the higher energy music tends to work better with quick cuts. What could be cool is playing progressive for the first half and long transitions, then playing epic trance with quicker cuts. I mostly played epic trance for two years when I had TTs, and I would do quick cuts, and it's been more difficult to play progressive, that i've gotten more into vs. the higher energy stuff I was into before.

Haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if this has been said or not...

But I typicaly stay away from the quick cut transitions unless the track I am bringing in or the track going out has a huge build and then a crash at the beginning (incoming track) or end (outgoing track). Of course there are exceptions, but that is when I "normally" do them.

Square One - Vesuvius (Justin Martin's 'I Hope It Doesn't Blow Mix) is a perfect example and I actually used the quick cut transition with this track last weekend and it was really bad ass.

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