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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...and we're posting this because....?

cause apparently it's something new and never heard of before.

I don't see a thread about the Pickton Trial which is far more shocking and disgusting, affects people on whole rather than a puppy being sodomised.


animals > humans

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...and we're posting this because....?

the same reason ppl post things like this
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...9&forumid=12&s=

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Originally posted by Misanthrope cause apparently it's something new and never heard of before. I don't see a thread about the Pickton Trial which is far more shocking and disgusting, affects people on whole rather than a puppy being sodomised. animals > humans

I was about to say something along these lines....


Yes what happened to the puppy as bad, HOWEVER...

I notice some people feel much more offended and have alot more to say about how evil it is, than they do about stuff that happens to people. Kind of makes me sick.

Example: compare comments in this thread to the comments about the guy killed in acupulco.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict Example: compare comments in this thread to the comments about the guy killed in acupulco.

very good point..

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew very good point..

thank you

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I was about to say something along these lines....

It's nice to know someone else thinks the same.
That's refreshing, stuff like that usually gets ignored.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict Example: compare comments in this thread to the comments about the guy killed in acupulco.

Could you please specify what comments you're talking about?

By the time I saw that thread it was already 4 or 5 pages long...and I didn't have time to read through everything. I read the article, and some of the longer posts...but from what I got people were still pretty disgusted with what happened. Many people, including myself, were saying how they wouldn't want to visit Mexico considering how dangerous and corrupt it is. Was there something in that thread that I perhaps have missed?

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Could you please specify what comments you're talking about? By the time I saw that thread it was already 4 or 5 pages long...and I didn't have time to read through everything. I read the article, and some of the longer posts...but from what I got people were still pretty disgusted with what happened. Many people, including myself, were saying how they wouldn't want to visit Mexico considering how dangerous and corrupt it is. Was there something in that thread that I perhaps have missed?

Oh ok..

Yes people were pretty disgusted with what happened in mexico, however to me it did not seem that anyone expressed as much emotion as they did in this thread.

This thread also just set me off. I see frequently on the news, people being glorified because they saved an animal from drowning or whatnot and they are talked about as if they saved a human. Don;t get me wrong I love animals but it just seems that sometimes there is no separation made.

I remember when they did a story on this guy that went to New Orleans to save animals and he spent so much money or whatever. Seriously who gives a shit about a cat when many HUMANS needed saving. I thought that was wasted effort.

So I guess what I am trying to say is that, I am just touchy when it gets to this subject.

So to answer your question finally Lisa, I didn't see anyone saying they wanted to kill or cut up any of the pepole that killed the guy in mexico. Not that they should, but thats what I mean about not showing as much emotion.

Did I make any sense? I hope so

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict So to answer your question finally Lisa, I didn't see anyone saying they wanted to kill or cut up any of the pepole that killed the guy in mexico. Not that they should, but thats what I mean about not showing as much emotion.

Maybe because people from Woodbridge aren't human?



/going to Hell

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict Seriously who gives a shit about a cat when many HUMANS needed saving.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by jennypie Maybe because people from Woodbridge aren't human? /going to Hell

hhaha omg noone makes me laugh on here like your posts do..

I dont even know weather ur serious or not

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I dont even know weather ur serious or not

Heh, nah I'm totally joking.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict

Yep...I see exactly what you're saying. I just wasn't sure if I missed something completely from the other thread due to my skimming.

What you speak of is a fine line when it comes to morality and what is ethically right. We talked about it a lot in one of my philosophy class last semester. What we concluded? I couldn't even tell you...that's what philosophy is all about! Haha...being skeptical, there's never a right answer

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* What you speak of is a fine line when it comes to morality and what is ethically right. We talked about it a lot in one of my philosophy class last semester. What we concluded? I couldn't even tell you...that's what philosophy is all about! Haha...being skeptical, there's never a right answer

damn philosophy


Good to know everyone is on the same page...well at least all the people up at 2am

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Originally posted by jennypie Heh, nah I'm totally joking.

hah ok good

*searching the threads for your "mind in the gutter" posts

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Originally posted by jennypie Maybe because people from Woodbridge aren't human? /going to Hell

And people from Barrie sleep with their cousins.

when the pitbull is about 3 or 4 years old ... lets have a reunion of this fella and the dog.

i want to be the guy standing nearby pointing and laughing at the dood while the dog rips his nuts off.

Disgusting

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict Oh ok.. Yes people were pretty disgusted with what happened in mexico, however to me it did not seem that anyone expressed as much emotion as they did in this thread. This thread also just set me off. I see frequently on the news, people being glorified because they saved an animal from drowning or whatnot and they are talked about as if they saved a human. Don;t get me wrong I love animals but it just seems that sometimes there is no separation made. I remember when they did a story on this guy that went to New Orleans to save animals and he spent so much money or whatever. Seriously who gives a shit about a cat when many HUMANS needed saving. I thought that was wasted effort. So I guess what I am trying to say is that, I am just touchy when it gets to this subject. So to answer your question finally Lisa, I didn't see anyone saying they wanted to kill or cut up any of the pepole that killed the guy in mexico. Not that they should, but thats what I mean about not showing as much emotion. Did I make any sense? I hope so

I have a very simple answer to this...

Humans have decision making mental capacity and animals do not (think of them as babies). Crimes against humans are usually blurred with anything that the victim may have done - you hear things (which DISGUST me) like, "She was raped because she dressed provocatively" etc. etc.

Now, the reason people become very angry about crimes against animals is the victim is completely innocent. That is the reason it evokes slightly different emotions. I don't think anyone in this thread thinks that animals are more important than humans (except perhaps me ), they just recognize that those people who prey on them do so without any conceivable provocation.

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Originally posted by English Rachel I have a very simple answer to this... Humans have decision making mental capacity and animals do not (think of them as babies). Crimes against humans are usually blurred with anything that the victim may have done - you hear things (which DISGUST me) like, "She was raped because she dressed provocatively" etc. etc. Now, the reason people become very angry about crimes against animals is the victim is completely innocent. That is the reason it evokes slightly different emotions. I don't think anyone in this thread thinks that animals are more important than humans (except perhaps me ), they just recognize that those people who prey on them do so without any conceivable provocation.

very good point! ... my thought is that with i.e. crimes against humanity or gross human rights violations (i.e. rape/ torture), humans can also be innocent victims. the difference however is that human vicitms may/ can have a 'voice' (if not their own then through some NGO etc) and can have 'representation'. animals barely/ rarely do - ESPECIALLY when the perpetrator is human.

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Originally posted by disko-kandi

do little girls abused by their fathers/step fathers for years and years have any representation? ever heard of cases when a girl decides to tell her mother what's going on and the mother blames the little girl herself?

what about little children who are abused by a pedophile and are threatened that he will kill them if they say anything?

what about human trafficking victims, when the women get stripped off their passports in a foreign country and cannot contact any authorities because they are in the country obviously illegally? bear in mind the happy stories of women being found/rescued shown by media is a tiny fraction of the actual amount of them

i really think this innocent/not innocent argument is irrelevant in the discussion of human vs. animal cruelty - sure the poor puppy could not do anything, but for god's sake, there were 2 witnesses who are pussy enough to not come forward or at least yell at him to stop

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew there were 2 witnesses who are pussy enough to not come forward or at least yell at him to stop

you've just given yourself the answer. that's exactly my point. ... b/c it's just an animal. who cares, right?

I h8 PETA

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Originally posted by disko-kandi you've just given yourself the answer. that's exactly my point. ... b/c it's just an animal. who cares, right?

argh, well I would definitely care! I really don't understand how can anyone witness something like that or any kind of cruelty for that matter and not say or do anything! don't they feel at least a little bit responsible to bring justice on him?

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