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Originally posted by _EuG_ in cuba

they say that they have a soviet water system there so it is safe to drink it.

All my life I drank water from a drilled well. It tastes soooooo amazing. It's very pure, and obviously has no gross additives. As soon as I moved to Toronto and started drinking the tap water, I got really sick. :\

There are some kinds of bottled water that I like, and some that I can't stand. Two of my favourites are Fiji and Evian (in a glass bottle).

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie All my life I drank water from a drilled well. It tastes soooooo amazing. It's very pure, and obviously has no gross additives. As soon as I moved to Toronto and started drinking the tap water, I got really sick. :\ There are some kinds of bottled water that I like, and some that I can't stand. Two of my favourites are Fiji and Evian (in a glass bottle).

Evian in a glass bottle is like holy water ... SOOO GOOD

aquafina has to be the worst tasting water
it has like a nasty after taste to it, tastes like its old or something

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Originally posted by geroin aquafina has to be the worst tasting water it has like a nasty after taste to it, tastes like its old or something

Seriously!!! I don't know why anyone drinks it.

As for bottled water, Evian is golden but the best I tried was called "G" Beneath the rainbow. It was about 18$ a bottle but I got one for free. SO pure, it almost tasted as good as candy.

The water in to is perfectly fine, you are not going to get sick from it.

I think the biggest difference in the taste or whtas in it, is the actual house that you are drinking in. My apt in TO iis really old, and the water tastes funny, probably because of the coroding pipes, but the water at my mom's house in Mississauga tastes great. Same source, but just different pipes.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 Seriously!!! I don't know why anyone drinks it. As for bottled water, Evian is golden but the best I tried was called "G" Beneath the rainbow. It was about 18$ a bottle but I got one for free. SO pure, it almost tasted as good as candy.

For anybody that buys bottled water, you can buy pure distilled water for about $2 for a 4 liter jug. lol @ $18 bottle of water which may have minerals in it still.

ive been drinking from the tap my whole life. only drink bottled water in the club.

btw, dasani bottled water is the best tasting out of all the other brands.

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Originally posted by _EuG_ Evian in a glass bottle is like holy water ... SOOO GOOD

Yes, and because it is in glass, it's a lot better for you.

Because I love water so much, friends and family who travel to different European countries always bring me back bottles of water from wherever they went (lol), and seriously, out of all the different water I have tasted, Evian is at the top of my list.
*drools*

And there is a Norweigan kind of water that I was in love with, but I forget what it is called.

One of the worst kinds of bottled water that I tried was stuff that was bottled and sold in Nunavut. IT WAS SO NASTY!

I've been wondering this myself actually. Since I moved to Waterloo, my tap water is fucking disgusting so I used a Brita filter. The water in London is much better taste-wise but that probably doesn't matter in regard to safety.

Also here in Waterloo, the tap water leaves a really nasty white residue after I do dishes. It's also in the shower and in the ice cube trays. My mom said it sounds like the water here has a lot of lime in it. That can't be good?

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Originally posted by me@t k@tie Yes, and because it is in glass, it's a lot better for you. Because I love water so much, friends and family who travel to different European countries always bring me back bottles of water from wherever they went (lol), and seriously, out of all the different water I have tasted, Evian is at the top of my list. *drools* And there is a Norweigan kind of water that I was in love with, but I forget what it is called. One of the worst kinds of bottled water that I tried was stuff that was bottled and sold in Nunavut. IT WAS SO NASTY!

Best water ever, 99.99% pure glacier fed water when I was living in the mountains in BC....*sigh*

The 0.01% was sediment from the mountain...

I miss my water...

I'd like to remind you all that you're talking about WATER.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I'd like to remind you all that you're talking about WATER.

H20 ! H20 ! H20 !

Ok how about carbonated water..
I remeber back in russia we used to make our own from tap water..is there such a device here?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I'd like to remind you all that you're talking about WATER.

Dude, there are lots of different types and sources of water. Water is the best.

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Originally posted by SkyHigh Ok how about carbonated water.. I remeber back in russia we used to make our own from tap water..is there such a device here?

Yeah, you would need chargers and a seltzer bottle.

Brita purifier ftw! saves us time and money on buying water bottles, plus reduced are recycling amounts considerably

Wow, this thread and some of the comments in it are unbelievably retarded.

"Because it's in a glass, it's better for you" - WTF!!? Unless that's sarcasm, I'd really like to see your source on that. Let me guess, you also believe that fluorination and dental fillings are slowly poisoning the human race?

Spring water is much, much worse for you than the tap water in most parts of North America. Just because it came from a "natural" source does not make it healthier - arsenic is a naturally-occurring mineral. Not that it makes a difference because most of what you think is spring water comes from a factory somewhere. Bottled water is *sort of* regulated, but very loosely and the regulations only talk about mineral content, not biological agents like bacteria. Tap water is essentially guaranteed to be free of those, spring water isn't.

Filtered water like Dasani/Aquafina are okay, but all they are is soda water without the carbonation. They're literally Coke/Pepsi before the "secret formula" gets added. Ever have club soda? Wait for it to go really flat, and you have Aquafina.

It's amazing how some people won't trust doctors or medical researchers, but eagerly take advice from snake-oil salesmen. And don't start talking about the taste - how many blind taste tests will it take for people to realize that it's all in their heads?

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Originally posted by DigiNut Wow, this thread and some of the comments in it are unbelievably retarded. "Because it's in a glass, it's better for you" - WTF!!? Unless that's sarcasm, I'd really like to see your source on that. Let me guess, you also believe that fluorination and dental fillings are slowly poisoning the human race? Spring water is much, much worse for you than the tap water in most parts of North America. Just because it came from a "natural" source does not make it healthier - arsenic is a naturally-occurring mineral. Not that it makes a difference because most of what you think is spring water comes from a factory somewhere. Bottled water is *sort of* regulated, but very loosely and the regulations only talk about mineral content, not biological agents like bacteria. Tap water is essentially guaranteed to be free of those, spring water isn't. Filtered water like Dasani/Aquafina are okay, but all they are is soda water without the carbonation. They're literally Coke/Pepsi before the "secret formula" gets added. Ever have club soda? Wait for it to go really flat, and you have Aquafina. It's amazing how some people won't trust doctors or medical researchers, but eagerly take advice from snake-oil salesmen. And don't start talking about the taste - how many blind taste tests will it take for people to realize that it's all in their heads?

i dont know wat you are bitching about, most of the people in this thread understand that tap water is A Okey to drink

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Bottled vs. Tap Whether bottled water is better than tap water, and justifies its expense, remains under debate. Stephen Kay, vice president of the IBWA, says member bottlers are selling the quality, consistency and safety that bottled water promises, and providing a service for those whose municipal systems do not provide good quality drinking water. "Bottled water is produced and regulated exclusively for human consumption," Kay says. "Some people in their municipal markets have the luxury of good water. Others do not." Thornley, of the Minnesota Department of Health, agrees that consumers can depend on bottled water's safety and quality. But he says consumers should feel the same way about the quality of their tap water. Tap water may sometimes look or taste differently, he says, but that doesn't mean it's unsafe. In fact, the most dangerous contaminants are those that consumers cannot see, smell or taste, he says. But consumers don't need to worry about their presence, he adds. Municipal water systems serving 25 people or more are subject to the federal Safe Drinking Water Act. As such, the water constantly and thoroughly tested for harmful substances, he says. If there is a problem, consumers will be warned through the media or other outlets. "In lieu of being told otherwise, consumers should feel confident of the safety of their water," Thornley says. Dr. Robert Ophaug, a professor of oral health at the University of Minnesota School of Dentistry, notes that tap water has another advantage many people don't think about : It typically contains fluoride. Many communities have elected to add fluoride to drinking water to promote strong teeth and prevent tooth decay in residents, though some groups continue to oppose this practice and believe it's detrimental to health. Ophaug says bottled water often does not have fluoride added to it. Or, if it has been purified through reverse osmosis or distillation, the fluoride may have been removed. People who drink mostly bottled water, especially those who have children, need to be aware of this, he says. They may need to use supplemental fluoride that is available by prescription from dentists or doctors. The supplements are usually recommended for children ages 7 to 16. Fluoride supplements cost around $15 for a three-month supply. "At the least, inform the children's dentist or doctor that you are relying on bottled water," Ophaug says. The IBWA says there are more than 20 brands of bottled water with added fluoride available to consumers today. When fluoride is added to bottled water, the FDA requires that the term "fluoridated," "fluoride added," or "with added fluoride" be used on the label. Consumers interested in how much fluoride bottled water contains can usually find out by contacting individual companies directly.

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Bottled Water: Pure Drink or Pure Hype? While bottled water marketing conveys images of purity, inadequate regulations offer no assurance. [En Espa�ol] Sales of bottled water in this country have exploded in recent years, largely as a result of a public perception of purity driven by advertisements and packaging labels featuring pristine glaciers and crystal-clear mountain springs. But bottled water sold in the United States is not necessarily cleaner or safer than most tap water, according to a four-year scientific study recently made public by NRDC. NRDC's study included testing of more than 1,000 bottles of 103 brands of bottled water. While most of the tested waters were found to be of high quality, some brands were contaminated: about one-third of the waters tested contained levels of contamination -- including synthetic organic chemicals, bacteria, and arsenic -- in at least one sample that exceeded allowable limits under either state or bottled water industry standards or guidelines. A key NRDC finding is that bottled water regulations are inadequate to assure consumers of either purity or safety, although both the federal government and the states have bottled water safety programs. At the national level, the Food and Drug Administration is responsible for bottled water safety, but the FDA's rules completely exempt waters that are packaged and sold within the same state, which account for between 60 and 70 percent of all bottled water sold in the United States (roughly one out of five states don't regulate these waters either). The FDA also exempts carbonated water and seltzer, and fewer than half of the states require carbonated waters to meet their own bottled water standards. Even when bottled waters are covered by the FDA's rules, they are subject to less rigorous testing and purity standards than those which apply to city tap water (see chart below). For example, bottled water is required to be tested less frequently than city tap water for bacteria and chemical contaminants. In addition, bottled water rules allow for some contamination by E. coli or fecal coliform (which indicate possible contamination with fecal matter), contrary to tap water rules, which prohibit any confirmed contamination with these bacteria. Similarly, there are no requirements for bottled water to be disinfected or tested for parasites such as cryptosporidium or giardia, unlike the rules for big city tap water systems that use surface water sources. This leaves open the possibility that some bottled water may present a health threat to people with weakened immune systems, such as the frail elderly, some infants, transplant or cancer patients, or people with HIV/AIDS.

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looks like i found the answer why my mother has most excellent health and teeth, she drank tap water most of her life

and another one (wow!):

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Study finds some bottled water has more bacteria and less fluoride than tap water CLEVELAND -- People who buy bottled water for its perceived purity may not be getting what they're paying for. They're most likely not getting adequate fluoride either, according to researchers at Case Western Reserve University and Ohio State University. In a study published in the March issue of the Archives of Family Medicine, a journal of the American Medical Association, researchers compared the bacterial content and fluoride levels of 57 samples of bottled water with tap water from each of Cleveland's four water treatment plants. "Only three bottled waters ... had fluoride levels within the range recommended by the Ohio Environmental Protection Agency," according to James Lalumandier, a CWRU assistant professor of dentistry, and Leona W. Ayers of OSU's College of Medicine and Public Health. The other 54 bottles fell short of the recommended range of 0.80 to 1.30 milligrams of fluoride per liter. All Cleveland tap water samples, however, were not only within the accepted range but also scored very near the optimal level of 1.00 milligrams per liter. Bacterial counts in the four tap water samples varied only slightly, from 0.2 to 2.7 bacterial colonies per milliliter. In the bottled water, bacterial counts ranged from less than 0.01 to 4,900 colonies per milliliter. Six bottled waters had bacteria counts of 1,500 to 4,900 colonies per milliliter. "One of the reasons people choose to drink bottled water instead of tap water is because of the perceived purity of bottled water," the researchers observe, and indeed, 39 samples of bottled water were found to be purer than the tap water. However, 15 samples of bottled water had significantly higher bacteria levels than the tap water. Of these 15, the bacteria counts were more than twice as high as the most contaminated tap water sample and almost 2,000 times higher than the purest tap water sample. Technicians at the Ohio Department of Health Laboratories in Columbus tested the water samples, which the researchers coded by number to eliminate the potential for bias. Despite the high bacteria levels in some of the bottled water, all the water tested is safe to drink under government standards, Lalumandier said. Still, he and Ayers conclude, "use of bottled water on the assumption of purity can be misguided." For Lalumandier, who heads the Department of Community Dentistry at the dental school, the low fluoride content of most bottled water is a significant concern. The use of fluoridated water is a major factor in the prevention of tooth decay in children and adults, he notes. People who rely on bottled water may be at greater risk for tooth decay. According to a survey of 1,000 pediatric patients, 9 percent of the children used bottled water as their primary source of drinking water. "Children should be considered for prescribed fluoride supplements if they drink bottled water," the researchers recommend. However, since a small percentage of bottled water contains adequate fluoride, children who drink such water should not get supplementary fluoride. That's because excessive ingestion of fluoride during childhood can cause fluorosis, a demineralization of the dental enamel that may result in discolored teeth. Manufacturers are not required to include fluoride levels on their labels, but the researchers believe they should be. Currently, consumers must either get their water tested or contact the manufacturer for this information. The researchers attempted to contact all 57 manufacturers in their study, but were successful in reaching only 37. The bottled water industry is one of the fastest-growing businesses in the United States, with annual sales of nearly four billion gallons, Lalumandier and Ayers said. "Bottled water should be required to meet the same standards for fluoride levels and bacterial content as tap water, as it makes up a significant proportion of the water consumed by the public," they conclude.

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Thanks everyone for providing textual accounts of the video link I posted back on page 1.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Wow, this thread and some of the comments in it are unbelievably retarded. "Because it's in a glass, it's better for you" - WTF!!? Unless that's sarcasm, I'd really like to see your source on that. Let me guess, you also believe that fluorination and dental fillings are slowly poisoning the human race?

Holy fuck, stfu and calm the hell down! I discussed this with a doctor, and he said that drinking out of a glass bottle is much better than drinking out of a plastic one because of the chemicals found in plastic bottles. Even though it is not a HUGE deal, there is a difference.

I couldn't really be arsed to search for quotes to back up what I said, but here's something.

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Public Health News Center: there is another group of chemicals, called phthalates that are sometimes added to plastics to make them flexible and less brittle. Phthalates are environmental contaminants that can exhibit hormone-like behavior by acting as endocrine disruptors in humans and animals. If you heat up plastics, you could increase the leaching of phthalates from the containers into water and food.

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's amazing how some people won't trust doctors or medical researchers, but eagerly take advice from snake-oil salesmen. And don't start talking about the taste - how many blind taste tests will it take for people to realize that it's all in their heads?

I *did* trust a doctor when he told me this information.

And there IS a taste difference. I am willing to do the test to prove it.

I've been drinking tap water with my children since 2002, BUT I have expensive 3 stage filter.

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Water Stored in Plastic Water bottles are be made from various types of plastic � polycarbonate (PC), polyethylene terephthalate (PET), Polypropylene (PP), high-density polyethylene (HDPE), low-density polyethylene (LDPE), polyvinyl chloride (PVC or vinyl), and others. To reiterate, they all migrate to some degree. I will focus on just one chemical that migrates out of one plastic that is used to make products with high use and sales profiles. Bisphenol-A (BPA) is a monomer used in the synthesis of PC plastics, epoxy resins, and composites, as well as a heat stabilizer in PVC. The list of products containing BPA is long. Some rigid containers such as water and baby bottles are made of PC. The popular Nalgene� water bottles are made of Lexan� brand PC. In the medical industry, it is used for syringes, containers, lenses, and dental products. Keep in mind that the FDA regulates only plastics in contact with foods and not any of the other exposures a person might commonly experience every day at home, school, or the office. Because the FDA approves plastics for specific uses rather than for individual chemicals, BPA is not explicitly regulated.[20] It is important to note that all exposures, no matter what origin, are relevant and cumulative. Even other chemicals that act in the body in similar ways can be part of the total effect. The body�s natural defenses try to breakdown toxins as they enter. These are called metabolites and can be significantly more toxic than the original chemical. Today it is common that dentists coat children�s teeth with dental sealants [21] that harden (polymerize) within the mouth. This exposure to BPA is large enough to have biologic effects. [22] Just as with other plastics, dental sealants polymerize imperfectly, leaving free monomers to be ingested or absorbed through the skin within the mouth. When it comes to dental solutions without plastic, the choices are limited. And I must say that I am extremely frustrated by the situation. One orthodontist I spoke with creates retainers from metal wire that can replace the standard polycarbonate ones. In tooth replacement, even some materials that dentists call ceramic have a polymer matrix. Gold caps or crowns are an excellent choice, but they too are glued into place with a volatile polymer. By far, the best alternative is to keep your teeth healthy by brushing and flossing regularly, and by eating a healthy diet. Food and beverages cans are coated with a BPA-containing plastic. During the processing of canned food, it is sterilized in the can at 250�F for 1 hour. Because heat increases its migration, this is an especially large exposure for people who eat canned foods. As PC plastics grow old, BPA and other chemicals are released. But even when they are new BPA migrates out of PC plastic. The Code of Federal Regulations section on PC plastics allows for migratory chemicals in the hundreds of parts-per-million (ppm) range as well as a percentage of the plastic�s total weight. While concentrations of ppm and higher are relevant, there is vast area of exposure that falls well below the FDA�s radar in the parts-per-trillion (ppt) range and lower. Testing methods are available, but the cost would be far greater. Because the industry is responsible for testing, it protests madly about the idea that these concentrations are relevant. If the table was turned and the burden of proof was on the consumer, the FDA would demand the most up to date testing methods. A graphic example of 1 ppt is one drop of liquid in 660 rail tank cars. That�s a train 6 miles long!

Source: http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Pl...et-PG5nov03.htm

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