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Originally posted by xiad Why does this offend me? Well, perhaps that there were about 20 guys of Arab origin who conducted 911. TWENTY. Not two hundred. Not two thousand. Two million. Nope. 20 guys. To even insinuate that the rest of the Arab population is a threat is unconstitutional.

They are playing odds, not percentages. Which particular phrase in the constitution are you referring to??

I rectified a common misconception here in case anyone's interesting in reading it:

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xiad you are right that racial profiling is wrong on so many levels but playing devils advocate you have to realize that muslims or people of arabic origin are currently perceived as a threat.
If another major attack was to take place from a group of other type of nationals the threat or at least the perception of what it constitutes would be shifted.
I imagine that during the 20+ years of the Ireland/Uk conflict that started after bloody sunday Irish people must have been subject to some form of profilling when entering the Uk.


There is also a major issue in the muslim community is passivity in regards to terror. I am in no way judging everyone but you have to realize that there is little to no globally visible position from the community that with one voice is stating their disaproval of attacks on the western world.

I can name only a handful of public figures who have dedicated their lives to bringing postive light to islam and it's perception to the world... all of these people are paying with their lives having to watch their backs with a constant fear of death.

If you remain silent the rest of the world will only view you as supporters of a cause affiliated with your people. Only the loudest ones get heard.


Perhaps you will feel insulted by my analysis but this is the way it is perceived by many much like the rest of the world thinks all americans are pro-Bush because there appears to be no anti-Bush movement inside the United States at least not visible to the rest of the world.

sorry for the rant

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I rectified a common misconception here in case anyone's interesting in reading it: tranceaddict Forums > Other > Political Discussion / Debate > Do you support racial profiling of Arabs/Muslims? > Pg. 4

yes that was indeed interesting. thx.

No worries dude .

jdat, by no means are you insulting me. The fact that I am lucky enough to be of both Arab and American origin, it is quite simple for me to step back and veiw things objectivly. Yes, there is a huge void in the visibility of public officials condemning terror and aggression against the West. and yes, the governments are working by probablilty and not percentages. I myself too find myself profiling individuals of my OWN culture that chose not to keep their relgious beliefs to themselves, and publicly protraying such. For example, you just DONT wear Nikab to a US airport, just as much as you DONT wear a turban whilst trying to board a plane.

However, to me, the line is drawn somewhere in between. There are those of us who fly frequently. I make at least 3 or 4 trips in a year. I dont walk around with a turban, or even a shirt with arabic writing on it. I'm your normal average Joe who loves football, bitches, and beer. (oh, and trance music, )
Since the United States is self proclaimed to be the most advanced country in the world, she needs to work on fine tuning the profiling system.
Yes, you say that a terrorist could dress up in Amerage Joe clothing. However, that does not make it right to pull over every African American male, with dreadlocks, rims, and loud rap music coming from the trunk of their car.

The fact of the matter is this: the system is flawed. Which civil liberties under the constitution you may ask? Freedom of religion, freedom from oppression, freedom from fear. The list goes on and on and on.

Anyway, enough of this. How bout that Sean Tyas? lol

Why does everyone want US to be perfect? Go to some shit hole country and bitch about your freedoms!!!!!

PS im glad you like football. They would literally kill rugby players

if the US claims to be perfect, I dont see why they can't hold up their end of the bargain.

its not that hard to comprehend really.

btw, im glad your glad i like football. i play it too. D End baby...boooya...
oh, and fuck rugby...

oh and another thing...I have gone to peice of shit contries, no need to state examples...and they SSSS everyone, including white people...lol

There is a mosque across the street from the electronics store I work at, Fed's monitor that place like crazy because the guy that was behind the first bombing of the world trade center in 1993 was living/hiding out in that mosque. The guy was really old... but the street (which is 6 lanes wide) was shut down with unmarked cars and snipers on the roof.

Personally... I dont care as long as Im safe.

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Originally posted by xiad It has become apparent to me after traveling countless times that the majority of individuals with Middle Eastern, or Muslim names are put through SSSS, regardless. Women, children, elderly folk have all become subject to secondary screening at the discretion of the airlines and the US government. Why does this offend me? Well, perhaps that there were about 20 guys of Arab origin who conducted 911. TWENTY. Not two hundred. Not two thousand. Two million. Nope. 20 guys. To even insinuate that the rest of the Arab population is a threat is unconstitutional. It is the equivalent of saying every African American male within the US is a suspected murderer, gang banger, drug dealer, or *insert negative connotation here*, due to the fact that a minority of such men are guilty of such crimes.

First, I'm sorry that you have to go through that. I do not agree with the principle behind racial profiling, but I do see the reality of the situation.

Secondly, it's true that you only had a handful of hijackers. If that were the only circumstance behind racial profiling, I'd agree that it was in no way warranted. However, you have hundreds, thousands even, of middle eastern ethnicity that continually threaten and promise more terrorist attacks on the US. I think if there were no large, vocal "terrorist" groups in the middle east, we wouldn't have this situation.

When someone says
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...66&pagenumber=2

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"in airports the security are stopping white families, i.e. a white man, white woman, two little children in other terms white caucasion. how many white suicide bombers have thier been?

First there're African ,Asian christians the same to Jews the same thing to muslims: Arabs as an origin from The Father Abraham "white with dark suntan & hair",Turkish people most of them are white,Albania ,Bosna&Hersig ,etc. Asian Muslims as in Malaysia ,Indonesia etc. African from Nigeria,Senegal,Somalia etc.Many different colors acording to different enviroments,cultures SO according to these.... No. of Christians now more than 2 billion around the world ,muslims 1.5 billion & Jews more than 13 million

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Originally posted by Orbax Why does everyone want US to be perfect?

Almost every citizen wants their country to be perfect... and almost every neighbour complains about the other

I know its just nuts reading these things and people wonder why we can't

IGNORE country of origin, race, color, ethnicity, personal beliefs, way of dress, behaviors, mode of speech, attitude, etc

AND 100% RANDOMLY check people


AND find 100% of the terrorists

AND Honor every single person's rights, feelings, emotions, attitudes, personal beliefs regardless of citizenship

AND completely disregard any BRAIN function that might indicate guards are humans too and they have feelings and chemicals just like everyone else

AND promote a sense of security, well-being, ecumenism, joy and peace at the border

AND honor the 'spirit' of our constitution and what every person's personal interpretation is of that documents

and the list goes on and on and on and fucking on.

Use your fucking brains people. Either come up with a better method and submit it to the government or shut your ignorant mouths.

the fact that your claiming im ignroarnt, or anyone else on here is ignorant, simply propells my belief that YOU in fact are the ignorant one.
The only time I will even consider your opinion is IF and WHEN you get harrassed and mistreated in airports and by the general population because of shit that happened 5 years ago by a bunch of douche bags who hate america, and because of your national origin or the language you speak.

You dont need to public figures to step up and speak out aginst anything. The lackthereof does NOT justify the hated, ignoarnace, and racism, and islomophobia bein spread throughout the country like wildfire.

What bothers me is this: If such BLATANT discrimination was happening to any other group of people the wrould be public outcry.

This isnt even about religion for me. Im not even fucking religious. I just think it is UNFAIR and WRONG.

enough said. dont talk to me because your ignorance hurts my brain

lol Orbax you are a dumbass

perhaps racial profiling is more effective then any of us can possibly imagine ( the governement doesn't exactly go public when catching bad guys ... at least not in every case ) but bottomline is the TSA is run like a hack job.

There have been countless accounts of banned items making it onboard flights despite raised security levels. Numerous independent commissions have tested the screening procedures and have always managed to get prohibited items through.

I think it's really amazing the US hasn't been blasted again since 9/11 considering how big the country is and how bad the security screening is.

i support stupid people profiling.

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Originally posted by jdat lol Orbax you are a dumbass

Because I said you expect too much perfection from an understaffed undertrained agency trying to protect the borders of a 300 million person country?

Go back to voodoo.

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Originally posted by xiad the fact that your claiming im ignroarnt, or anyone else on here is ignorant, simply propells my belief that YOU in fact are the ignorant one. The only time I will even consider your opinion is IF and WHEN you get harrassed and mistreated in airports and by the general population because of shit that happened 5 years ago by a bunch of douche bags who hate america, and because of your national origin or the language you speak. enough said. dont talk to me because your ignorance hurts my brain

Learn how to spell, your words are like nails on the eyeballs. Saying that your feelings got hurt isn't a reason to change 'the system'. Im hearing a lot of bitching about 'the man' keeping you down yet no suggestions for rectifying the situation.

I never said my feelings got hurt. If my opinion seems emotional here that�s because racism and discrimination are two very hot topic issues that shape our culture as Americans. If no one complains about it, how could it change?
And no, don't give me that psycho babble about me 'hating the man' and trying 'not to conform to society', ect.
You can't segregate a group of people from the rest of the population, regardless.
If you want a 'fair' security, and profiling system, everyone must be of suspect. Check everyone, not just *this group of people* just because you're afraid of them.
People are not groups of rabies infested dogs, their people. Since America is the country promoting and endorsing democracy and equality of all people, throughout the world, the least they could do is start at home.

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Originally posted by xiad If you want a 'fair' security, and profiling system, everyone must be of suspect. Check everyone, not just *this group of people* just because you're afraid of them.

That would bring air travel as we know it to a screeching halt.

You are wrong.
See, you must understand this: the rest of the WORLD is doing JUST fine screeining everybody. You must seem to think that the only humans capable of flying and maintaining airlines are americans and europeans. There is a whole list of arab countries, frequently travelled by Easterners and Westerners alike, that move along much MORE swiftly that airports in the US and Britain.
Give me a break.

Is it just me? I mean if I was working security in any airport in the world, and saw a guy looking like this walking around (while ignoring any look of ethnicity), I think I'd give him more than a secondary.

http://www.seanbaby.com/news/terrorism.htm

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February 5th, 2002 The Nation that Freaked Out We've been at war with terrorism for about five months now, which may come as a shock to you if you're an eccentric hot air ballooner just coming down from your ridiculous two year trip around the world. In which case, let me tell you, we've been doing a lot of freaking out. We've almost stabilized, so I've categorized the specific types of freaking out we did and possible ways to avoid them in the future just in case terrorism wins the war and we end up living in a world where it's required by law to be terrifying. Reaction One-- Increased Secutiry: Pretending to be Idiots Security immediately became our main concern after 9-11. The only problem with security is that it's based around pretending to be an idiot. A clerk asking me if I packed my own bag isn't going to foil anyone's smuggling operation, but the two of us have to pretend to be stupid enough to think we're keeping the world safe. Airport security quadrupled after September 11th, which meant that security personnel had to pretend to be idiots four times as hard. I saw a business man get searched a month aftwards. A security woman found his nail clippers, got pissed off, broke off the file part of them, and saved each and every one of our lives. Afterwards she even made eye contact with me as if I might share her intolerance for all these fucking business men that may at any time want to clean under their toenails. Now, I might have an unusual perspective as the world's foremost donkey basketball enthusiast, but to me, if you think crippling bathroom devices is the key to passenger safety, you're either a fucking moron or playing make-believe. Even if he was the kind of kung fu master who would try to take on a plane with nail clippers, he has the same chance of doing so with or without the little pointy thing. Over the holidays, I saw airport security take away a 60-year-old woman's tweezers. Tweezers. I want to tell everyone right now, you don't need to pretend to be stupid that hard to make me feel safe. In fact, if I'm ever a passenger on a plane that gets taken over by a 60-year-old woman with a pair of tweezers, I fucking deserve to die. And after I'm dead, I'll walk up to the pearly gates and say, "Hi, Saint Peter, I'm with the group that got killed by the old lady with tweezers. I assume there's a section of Heaven for unbelievable pussies?" There are some airports that have never had a problem with terrorism. Over the holidays I was at the airport at Boise, Idaho where five camoflaged armed soldiers at every [the] metal detector were eyeballing everyone. The only problem is that their camoflage was made to blend into a jungle envirornment and forgive me if you're the type of genius who already knew this, but there aren't any jungles in the airport. That means that if they ever end up in a gunfight against a group of elderly passengers with contraband nose hair trimmers they're all going to have to hide in the same rubber tree plant. One of the biggest tragedies involving airport security was the huge number of editorials that appeared in every paper, magazine, and TV show in the country complaining about it. That's fine; you should complain every time someone shoves a bomb-sniffing dog three feet into your asshole for wanting to ride their plane. Those don't bother me. The editorials that bothered me were the ones by people complaining security wasn't tight enough. There were all these brave investigative journalists that were outraged they managed to get through checkpoints with a butter knife in their carry on. Some people even got arrested after they got through checkpoints and screamed "Look! I got a pocket knife through! I could have killed everybody!" These ******s shouldn't think they've spotted the hole in our safety net because non-terrorists like themselves are allowed to get through with harmless everyday items. That doesn't mean we're all going to die. All it means is that the person at the metal detector wasn't a complete fucking moron. If commuters really only feel safe when they're getting punished for something somebody else did, they're going to love my new invention. They're called Airport Pants, and they electrify your genitals every time I think about having sex with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Now that our airport security is a gag taken straight out of a movie about a possible dark future where nazi Germany won, we should embrace people who don't highjack planes. Like women. My statistics might be off by a decimal or two, but in between the time they spend having pillow fights and slowly trying on lingerie, not one woman has ever highjacked a plane. In fact, they're so unlikely to kill us, I think airport security should issue them helmets that launch rockets. That way, if one of these white people with their nail clippers ever starts some shit we'll have people on our side ready to flex cybernetic hat implants that release a high-powered rocket payload into their faces. Security agents need to use their heads. While airport security agents are pretending that tweezers are deadly weapons, they're also pretending not to notice that slightly over one hundred percent of terrorists are of middle eastern descent. I know racial profiling upsets all the people who still believe the lyrics in Whitney Houston songs, but everyone will understand if airport security uses a little bit of common sense when they're deciding who is likely to explode something and who is just a person who might need a fingernail file. Maybe it's wrong to discriminate against a people just because they occasionally blow up a plane, but I'm going to try to talk you into it. Say, for example, you're an Arab at the airport. First of all, welcome to one of my country's beautiful airports, suspicious traveller from afar. You'll notice that security searches everyone in the airport including you. That means you have to wait in line for three to four hours while they go through the luggage of all the old ladies ahead of you for no good reason other than try to not hurt you and and your people's feelings. Now imagine how nice it would be if they ignored everyone else and went straight for your luggage. You just saved four hours of standing in line, and all you have to do to get on the plane is not carry a bomb. I want to make it clear that no one is accusing you of being a highjacking murderer, we're only accusing you of being of the only race that has a CHANCE of being a highjacking murderer. Searching white people and hoping to find a terrorist is like searching white people and hoping to find a talking birthmark that can predict the future. It's certainly possible, but mostly you're just wasting everyone's time, you god damn idiot. Reaction Two-- Hysterical Panic The worst job in America used to be poisonous animal masturbater. After September 11th, it became 911 phone dispatcher. I have a friend who has this job and he's spent the last five months of his life politely hanging up on old ladies who call the emergency line to report cars with out of state plates. Ever since the news scratched the word Anthrax directly onto our eyeballs, people call 911 every single time their junk mail leaves off the return address. Terror and nationalism caused most of us to completely lose our perspective. At the end of it all, Anthrax finished neck and neck with domesticated duck attacks for total kills. When I get older, I might go crazy and think terrorists are using my mailbox to kill me. After all, if someone was looking to crush America they would almost certainly start with our suburban elderly. But that doesn't mean you get your own personal bomb squad every time you might have won a million dollars. Reaction Three-- Accusations of Infanticide As soon as a war starts, there's always some hippy genius who figures out that wars kill people and makes it their bumper stickers duty to put a stop to it. This never works. It would be nice if homicidal madmen took the advice of our fruitier citizens' fenders more often, but there are several historical examples of where bending over and being polite did not turn pure evil into delicious candy. Fans of peace and harmony are usually quick to accuse the military of baby killing. Everyone knows that our nation's military can't wait to front a war just to get the chance to kill a few babies, the only fuel on which their magic gold making machines can run. Last month I actually saw a guy with a flag sticker on his car, and he had crossed out "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN" and wrote in "PROUD TO BE AN AFGHANI BABY KILLER." This of course came with the small cost of several hundred foot-shaped dents in his car. Now, I do agree with him and the other crazies that killing babies is wrong, but the fact is, I think most soldiers are probably too preoccupied with fighting armed religious fanatics to throw an infanticide party. I'm not saying anyone should try to kill babies. In fact, if you're about to execute someone and notice there's a baby on the electric chair, go get that baby off of there. But we can't just stop a war and let the terrorists explode whatever they want because they have children. And you could also look at it this way-- if a baby is being raised in a terrorist camp, I have a feeling it's not going to grow up to be a volunteer worker. Maybe some day we'll be able to build bombs that can fly into a terrorist camp and conduct extensive interviews to see if the person it's about to blow up is actually a terrorist or just a nun riding a unicorn who happens to be photographing baskets of kittens in a terrorist camp. Until then, the best advice I can give innocent people is to stay a blast radius away from anyone making video tapes about how much they want to destroy America. Reaction Four-- Oversensitivity At the start of the Afghani conflict, our Navy got in trouble after the media took a snapshot of a bomb where one of them wrote, "High Jack This Fags." Gay people were outraged that an explosive could be so rude, and the Navy's Rear Admiral S. R. Pietropaoli was forced to publicly apologize. Even during a time of war, we live in a world where the men in charge of our defense have to stop work to make sure we didn't get our feelings hurt when an inanimate object called a murderer a mean name before it exploded him. Plus, for fuck's sake, his job title is "Rear Admiral." If he has to live with that all day, he can call anyone he wants to a fag. Political correctness shouldn't be more important to you than blowing up murderers, fag. If it is, then send out your thanks to the pussies whose tears helped solve our nation's smaller, crappier crisis. Maybe the next bomb they drop can have an apology on it and let them know how much they might enjoy vagina so no terrorists have to die worrying about whether or not our Navy thinks they want to hump asses. You know, personally, if it keeps some maniac from blowing up another airplane, I don't care if the Army decorates its next bomb with the words "Gook ****" next to drawings of me riding a goat's fuckhole. In fact, if for some reason they think it will help, they can send a military photographer over to my house and I'll let them take pictures of me doing it. Does that make me more of a true American than the ass rammers who called the Pentagon to cry about "High Jack This Fags"? Duh. Reaction Five-- Rewriting History It was a horrible tragedy, and every person and corporation extended their sympathies. This was commendable and everything, but I doubt the horror of the tragedy is more bearable for the victims after they find out Kleenex brand facial tissues offers their full condolences. However, for every celebrity tribute to the heroes of the World Trade Center attack, there's a movie or a TV show scrambling to destroy any evidence that the Twin Towers existed. A new version of Escape From New York is going to be released with all the footage of the Twin Towers digitally removed, radio stations refused to play any song that mentioned the word "airplane," Microsoft Flight Simulator released a patch that allowed users to remove the World Trade Center from the game. People are actually surgically removing one of the most important events in history from history. In a few years, we won't even know what a World Trade Center was, and the people in charge will have thought to extend this Orwellian history rewriting technique to keep us from remembering other tragedies. For example, next year they're rereleasing Grumpier Old Men with the late Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon with Freddie Prinze Jr. and Emilio Estevez. And Schindler's List is going to be rewritten to be about a group of teenagers trying to reunite their divorced parents with the ghost of a skateboarding chimp. The upcoming rerelease of ET will take out the line "You can't be a terrorist for Halloween!" because it's inappropriate to mention terrorism even if it's a mother discouraging her child from becoming one. Also, the episode of Seinfeld where George's fiance dies from an allergic reaction to envelope glue was pulled from the air because it had the chance of reminding people about Anthrax before they watched the half hour news special about Anthrax. By this point, the entertainment industry was openly mocking people's deaths, and it didn't stop there. People just started cancelling any random thing they wanted. Reverend Jesse Jackson wanted us to cancel Halloween. He actually went on TV and said it was too near to the tragedy to dress up in scary masks. Maybe he was right, he's been to more school than I have, but when I went out on Halloween no one came up to me teary-eyed and said, "Please... take off the Spider-Man suit. It's... it's too soon for me." Reaction Seven: Conspiracy Theory Whenever something horrible happens, a few people sit in their basement and piece together the puzzle of a dark government conspiracy. Ever since the government covered up the proof of Space Dracula, we haven't trusted a thing they say. Let's keep it in perspective, though. Sure, the government has committees of people that they hire just to lie to you about Bigfoot, but they're not going to kill thousands of people to get people to stop making fun of how our president is stupid. I'm sure by now you're asking, "How do these insane conspiracy theories affect you and your life, Sean?" A couple months ago, here in Portland I was at a cabaret. A "cabaret" is what art students call it when they strip. It's more artistic and socially relevant than normal stripping because there are drag queens and people perform little musical skits before they take their tits out. Anyway, in the middle of it, a "burlesque performer" got on the microphone and gave a confusing speech hinting that the war in Afghanistan was not about fighting terrorism, but an elaborate plot to do something sneaky. Before she specified what that was, she said, and I quote, "I like the flag and what it means to me. The stripes, as you probably know, represent rebellion, and I've always liked the fashion of stars... which we might one day return to." Then she danced around in American flag panties to a song about sneaking. Clearly, she was a magnificent dumbass which brings up an important point: it's not a very good conspiracy if even the naked dumbasses know about it. Whoever's in charge of our government's secracy should be told that our nation's stupid bikini girls know everything. Getting Back to a Normal Life Okay, so we all went a little crazy, and maybe all these hysterics proved that the terrorists won. If so, I hope the victory feels good from the battered crater that was just a dirty Afghani cave to begin with, Afghani ******s. The countryside of your homeland might have been temporary, but getting us to cancel an episode of Seinfeld... good job, that victory will last forever.

Satire, by the way...

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