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Originally posted by Spirit5 Um Royksopp is pretty close to combining all of these...

and what does that have to do with my post?

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Originally posted by RapidFire and what does that have to do with my post?

I was just saying you were talking about combining these so i mentioned that Royksopp is the closest to combinging many of those genres. That's all..

Since I'm learning to produce now, what I'll plan on delving into is spacey progressive house. Lots of percussion with spacey synths with house structure. I'm thinking CD 1 of Digweed's Bedrock mix.

I'm slowly getting into producing now. Focusing more on Downtempo and Chillout.

If I ever got into producing EDM, I don't think I'd restrict myself to certain genres, but I think I'd like to try my hands on deep house and progressive house with thick chunky bassline.

I'd produce beachy balearic tunes like York and DJ Shah. Maybe combine it w/ a lil tech-trance, who knows.

im currently producing bad quality music

I'd really like to produce some Hardcore music. Probably something like Evil Activities or Angerfist. Or then some more old school stuff.. Well, both of them

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Originally posted by PETRAN Also, i find your idea of "rhytmical and melodic alternations" within tracks completely mind-blowing. Maybe the reason that people are bored of todays trance, is not because todays trance doesn't have melodies and ideas, but because its structure remains identical to the 90s. e.g. a build, a break and a kick-back with the main melody-theme.

I don't think I'm suggesting anything revolutionary... it's something straight from the early 90s and common to most genres of electronic music. If anything, trance had a hand in wiping out tracks with varied structures and many phases. If you look at a track like Not Forgotten by Leftfield- the very first prog house track, and then compare it to a prog house track ten years down the line, you can see how much more there is occuring in Leftfield's track- there are more elements, more changes, more alteration.

So it's not new, it's just a technique which has been cast aside a lot, possibly because it's harder for a DJ to cope with when the track is ever-changing without the perfunctory 16 bar lead in/out for them to mix with.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 A mixture of Ulrich Schnauss and Amethystium...really melodic, dreamy, visceral, ethereal and bittersweet chill-out music that transports you into another world...

I love both of them! In a matter of fact i'm listening to Amethystium's "Aphelion" right-now. What a great album!Its a pitty that this kind of music is considered just new-age metitative music. Its so more then that. This guy is a musical genious and IMO he is largely underestimated. I also like Era, they are more "medieval" in sounding though. Some albums by Mike Oldfield are also good.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't think I'm suggesting anything revolutionary... it's something straight from the early 90s and common to most genres of electronic music. If anything, trance had a hand in wiping out tracks with varied structures and many phases. If you look at a track like Not Forgotten by Leftfield- the very first prog house track, and then compare it to a prog house track ten years down the line, you can see how much more there is occuring in Leftfield's track- there are more elements, more changes, more alteration.

Yes maybe in early progressive and maybe bands like Leftfield, Underworld and FSOL have used this technique, but i don't think that conventional "dance-floor aimed" EDM has ever used it(bands like leftfield produced more "arty" EDM which could be listened at home). Even standard classical german trance, even classical detroit techno have relied on more conventional four-to-the-flour drum patterns and simplistic repetetive melodic things that don't change a lot through-out the track (well...maybe some tracks by Derrick May were more forward-thinking, even back then...). Its logical, people wan't to "grab" a basic rhythm, or a basic melody and "work" on it, they don't want things to change a lot.Its supposed to be "dance music" Trance was always quite linear, both rhythmic and melodic-wise. This doesn't mean that early trance didn't have complex funky as hell and hypnotic rhythms, neither does it mean that later trance didn't have beautifull more complex melodies. It just means that the whole structure is very linear, you exect A leading to B and then to C. The main theme is repeating itself through out the track.

I imagined a kinda more non-linear abstract EDM-or trance if you want- were a track would start directly with a nice melody and a breaky rhtyhm, then exploding into a four-to-the-floor and a different melody, then a slowdown and then a comeback with the older melodies and maybe introducing a newer element.No predictive build-ups, breaks and the like. You hardly ever find EDM like this (at least nowadays as you say), except for the more "progressive" and IDM stuff. Maybe newer trance producers could consider my proposal and push the boundaries a little?

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Originally posted by PETRAN Yes maybe in early progressive and maybe bands like Leftfield, Underworld and FSOL have used this technique, but i don't think that conventional "dance-floor aimed" EDM has ever used it(bands like leftfield produced more "arty" EDM which could be listened at home).

I think you need to listen to more early 90s hardcore. Check out some Praga Khan, Altern8, Urban Hype, early Prodigy... you can even find it in some 2 Unlimited and The KLF's stadium house tracks. You'll find plenty of variation, different phases and sometimes even rhythmic alteration within tracks. Injected With A Poison is probably the best example as there are three or four vocal sections, two or three instrumental sections, two beat patterns and an intro all in there. I appreciate that this kind of music is probably too high-energy and direct for your tastes, but it definitely exists and the structures it uses are far from simple.

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Originally posted by D.Edge Neurofunk or Eurobeat

nice nice! i like the neurofunk name

old skool druggy trance and some spacey ass ambient. i'll try my hand at producing something this year i hope.

Umm, uplifting/progressive/vocal trance, d'oh!

Ok, nice guys but please try to elaborate a little. As i say in my original post don't come up with just a sub-genre name and thats it. Describe the qualities of the sound, instruments,sounds,emotions,influences...




Anyway, nice contributions till now, some strange ones, but nice!

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Originally posted by D.Edge nervous, abstract, dissonant, disorientating Neurofunk that suffocates the listener with atmospherics and rampant paranoia. or, hyperactive, saccharine, shiny-happy, epileptic seizure-inducing Eurobeat with DragonForce-esque guitar solos.

Sounds like Bipolar Disorder. Good!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I think you need to listen to more early 90s hardcore. Check out some Praga Khan, Altern8, Urban Hype, early Prodigy... you can even find it in some 2 Unlimited and The KLF's stadium house tracks. You'll find plenty of variation, different phases and sometimes even rhythmic alteration within tracks. Injected With A Poison is probably the best example as there are three or four vocal sections, two or three instrumental sections, two beat patterns and an intro all in there. I appreciate that this kind of music is probably too high-energy and direct for your tastes, but it definitely exists and the structures it uses are far from simple.

Yeah i know...crazy stuff this early hardcore. They may sound complex because they change a lot its true, but they are not so complex per se...or that's what i think about it. Crazy 300 BPM drum patterns, high note pianos and helium voices, that music was trully a menace! I remember in an interview once that one of the guys of Altern-8 said that the average time of tune creation was 10 minutes!!!Of course this "spontaneous" factor was very good and it is largely absent in todays EDM. Thats what most of todays EDM misses the emotion and the energy. It all has gone too VST-cut-n-paste and predictive.

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