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im actually curious to know what local but (well known, talented) djs make

DJs only know one way of payment: casual buttsex with their mates. The more they receive, the louder their sets will be.

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Originally posted by Flec im actually curious to know what local but (well known, talented) djs make

fuck all is your answer. Its only a certain few on the dj mag list that can make a living out of djing alone.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon fuck all is your answer. Its only a certain few on the dj mag list that can make a living out of djing alone.

Quoted for truth. 99.5% of the DJs out there are making free drinks and tips or a portion of the cover. There might be a few lucky SOBs (i.e marketing machines, i.e Tiesto) who can pull a working wage out of DJing only, but unless you're doing the Top 40/mobile gigs you're not going to make a ton of cash...

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Originally posted by sleepydragon fuck all is your answer. Its only a certain few on the dj mag list that can make a living out of djing alone.

that's not true either. alot of semiknown DJs can make a living of DJjing alone, it doesn't take to be on the 'poll' to earn decent money. it also depends what do you consider as good money. i think that a locally known DJ making 300 - 400€/gig can live quite good (especially in my region).

I'd actually be curious what someone lik JZ would make on a set..

i once received something close to 18 euros

Free Redbull per hour

Quite honestly, being a dj doesn't pay like it did 10 years ago. There are two factors that weigh heavily on this. 1) everybody and thier cousin is a dj these days, and 2) dj's are now looked on as a expenditure rather than a necessary item. This means that no matter how good you really are behind the decks/system it doesn't mean shit. What matters is how many people you can pull and how much money they (the promoter/club/whatever) can make off of you.

The gap between pay brackets is extremely wide. As mentioned above, unless there is a HUGE demand for you, you can expect to get paid very little in cash. If you're lucky, you can land a residency at a club or land yourself a spot booking dj's for a club or lounge. Having a regular gig involves regular pay, but it probably won't be as much as one would expect.

Gone are the days when a regional favorite dj can "reasonably" ask for more than $200 (including "perks") unless that dj is high demand. There are some people who can get away with it, but more often than not, you'll be playing for a bar tab and guest list. If you're lucky, asking for gas money is a reasonable request.

DJs get paid too much given that a majority of the tunes they drop (depending on the DJ) are produced by other artists who are getting paid next to nothing.

About tree-fiddy.

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Originally posted by Matt DJs get paid too much given that a majority of the tunes they drop (depending on the DJ) are produced by other artists who are getting paid next to nothing.

Fuck


OFF!

Do you know how much skill it actually takes to make a good dj?

Matt is mostly right, but that's why ASCAP collects a yearly fee from all of the area's clubs and radio stations for its artists.

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Originally posted by Matt DJs get paid too much given that a majority of the tunes they drop (depending on the DJ) are produced by other artists who are getting paid next to nothing.

Part of being a production artist is the realization that you will NEVER make any money of dj's. This is why you sell your music to more capital ventures.

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Originally posted by TazZ-erT Fuck OFF! Do you know how much skill it actually takes to make a good dj?

Being a DJ myself, yes I do.

But when you think about it when Armin, Tiesto, etc, etc. charge thousands and thousands of $$$ to come and mix what is mostly tracks by other artists.

Recent tracklists (Dance Department) from the big four:

Armin van Buuren
01. Eric Prydz vs. Pink Floyd - Proper Education
02. Oxia - Domino
03. Cara Dillion vs. 2 Devine - Black is the Colour (Coco & Green Remix)
04. Kirsty Hawkshaw & Tenisha - Outsiders (Jose Amnesia Remix)
05. Andy Moor vs. Orkidea - Year Zero
06. Cosmic Gate Feat. Tiff Lacey - Should've Known (Dub Mix)

Ferry Corsten
01. Breakfast & Big Mike - Lifeforms
02. Frost & Maron - Mute Your Mind (Yield Remix)
03. Breakfast - How Do You Feel?
04. Ferry Corsten - Fire (Flashover Mix)
05. Ferry Corsten - Watch Out

Tiesto Live @ The Point - Dublin 04-11-06 //tiestotracklist.net
01. First State - Evergreen
02. Carl B Feat. Breaking Benjamin � Diary Of Jane
03. Jose Gonzales � Crosses (Tiesto Remix)
04. Marc Houle � Bay Of Figs
05. Tiesto � Lethal Industry (Richard Durand Remix)
06. Skin � Faithfulness (Tiesto Remix)
07. Cosmic Gate � Consciousness
08. Joop � The Future
09. Carlos � The Silmarillia (Leon Bolier Remix)
10. Precursor � The Navigator
11. Jamaster A � Bells Of Tiananmen (Airbase Remix)

Paul van Dyk
01. Above & Beyond - World On Fire (12" Remix)
02. Soul Tan & Ned Shepard - Aidan
03. Miro - Lift It Now (Montero's Robots Live Dub)
04. DJ Tatana - If I Could (Simon & Shaker Dub)
05. Hiden Logic Pres. Luminary - Wasting (Ronski Speed Remix)
06. ID
07. Giuseppe Ottaviani & Marc Van Linden - Until Monday
08. Beckers - Colour Me Blind
09. Gustavo Santaolalla - The Wings (Gabriel & Dresden Organised Nature Mix Remix)
10. Divini & Warning - 4LB
11. Stereonova - Deep Inside

This opinion obviously does not apply to all DJs - there are several out there who deserve to be paid for what they do, and many spin (and beyond) completely original stuff... but I find it ridiculous how much these big 4 make per gig when they essentially just mix other peoples work.

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Part of being a production artist is the realization that you will NEVER make any money of dj's. This is why you sell your music to more capital ventures.

I know... I am not saying it can be changed, just saying it's not fair.

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Matt is mostly right, but that's why ASCAP collects a yearly fee from all of the area's clubs and radio stations for its artists.

I'd be interested to know how much this actually is. I somehow doubt it's as much as Tiesto or PvD would make on a night.

I completely agree that some of these big names fees are completely overly bloated. Especially when in the "not-so-lower" ranks below, we're lucky to get a bar tab and a guest list. Again, I think that the solution to this problem is truly that the lower rung of dj's (whom many are quite talented) start demanding thier respect due. It helps everyone.

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Originally posted by TazZ-erT Fuck OFF! Do you know how much skill it actually takes to make a good dj?

not alot of skill to just be good but i guess you will say different theres thousands of people out there that can play just as well as the most well known djs.

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO I completely agree that some of these big names fees are completely overly bloated. Especially when in the "not-so-lower" ranks below, we're lucky to get a bar tab and a guest list. Again, I think that the solution to this problem is truly that the lower rung of dj's (whom many are quite talented) start demanding thier respect due. It helps everyone.

that's the biggest problem in the semi-pro ranks

too many beginners wanting to play out and willing to play for free undercutting those of us who actually make money djing

of course promoters are going to go with the cheaper route, even if it means booking a less skilled dj

they've got your ticket cash and you through the door, they don't care after that

djs need to realize what their worth is and actually start to ask for compensation

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Originally posted by Matt Being a DJ myself, yes I do. But when you think about it when Armin, Tiesto, etc, etc. charge thousands and thousands of $$$ to come and mix what is mostly tracks by other artists.

and not only that but rarely do they play anything obscure or interesting. you pretty much always know what tunes to expect from these djs. thats my biggest beef.

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Originally posted by RapidFire and not only that but rarely do they play anything obscure or interesting. you pretty much always know what tunes to expect from these djs. thats my biggest beef.

Yep, just download a set of thiers from a few weeks before the show & thats what your gonna hear.

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Originally posted by Tony Morello that's the biggest problem in the semi-pro ranks too many beginners wanting to play out and willing to play for free undercutting those of us who actually make money djing of course promoters are going to go with the cheaper route, even if it means booking a less skilled dj they've got your ticket cash and you through the door, they don't care after that djs need to realize what their worth is and actually start to ask for compensation

FUCKIN-A TO THAT TONY!!!

Too many newbies want to be rockstars quickly and see thier names on fliers that they whore themselves out to promoters. Then when somebody with some experience comes around asking for a fee (because we know we're worth it), we get passed by.

As I told yesterday for an interview: cult of popularity is a cancer that separates us more than it brings us together.

But I'm not the first one writing or saying this.

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Originally posted by skizzell About tree-fiddy.

Haha I'm looking for that South Park episode now.

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Originally posted by jonSun Yep, just download a set of thiers from a few weeks before the show & thats what your gonna hear.

They're not playing for the people who download their livesets though. Of course they're going to sound the same - most rock bands don't change their tracklist on every gig either.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery They're not playing for the people who download their livesets though. Of course they're going to sound the same - most rock bands don't change their tracklist on every gig either.

the difference is rock bands play instruments and actually put on a preformance. to ask them to change their setlist for every concert would be ridiculous. a dj pushes a few buttons and mixes records together..

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