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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I have eaten mushrooms, and I enjoyed it. I also admit that I acted like an idiot while I was on them, this admission being a rather modest feat which is apparently impossible for some people. People who are on hallucinogens act mildly stupid and odd at best. Maybe their actions don't correlate well with whatever profound insight is secretly bubbling up inside their heads, but forgive me for being skeptical.

I agree. I was a blathering idiot on everything.

I think a lot of it probably comes down to how spiritual you are, and how open you are to such experiences. What one person might consider a spiritual experience, another might consider nothing more than a cool effect of the trip. Comes down to who you are I guess.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I have eaten mushrooms, and I enjoyed it. I also admit that I acted like an idiot while I was on them, this admission being a rather modest feat which is apparently impossible for some people. People who are on hallucinogens act mildly stupid and odd at best. Maybe their actions don't correlate well with whatever profound insight is secretly bubbling up inside their heads, but forgive me for being skeptical.

Notice I said a quarter ounce. If you eat a few caps you'll just laugh and act extremely strange. It takes a higher dose to experience ego death.

I would like to try some psychedelic cacti sometime.

DMT?

Most people can't handle DMT.

Re: psychadelics and spirituality

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Originally posted by Haunted great article read it now bitches http://deoxy.org/w_psyrel.htm

it is a great article. The author did accomplished the unheard of and actually managed to articulate trip-talk into normal, understandable english, and he did it very well.

How did you stumble across this article?

i've been researching spirituality a lot lately.
i'm questioning my existence and trying to make sense of what to believe, and i heard that many turn to Buddhism or Hinduism after taking LSD or doing a similiar drug. I find it strange that all psychedelic drugs whether it be natural (mescaline, mushrooms, lsa) or unnatural (lsd) all offer the same ego-less state that eastern philosophy is all about. maybe the self truly is an illusion, and we will continue suffering until we stop questioning and just be.

i love psychedelics and spirituality type of things. thanks for posting this article!

edit: i have to read it when i come back from a speech though.

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Originally posted by Haunted i've been researching spirituality a lot lately. i'm questioning my existence and trying to make sense of what to believe, and i heard that many turn to Buddhism or Hinduism after taking LSD or doing a similiar drug. I find it strange that all psychedelic drugs whether it be natural (mescaline, mushrooms, lsa) or unnatural (lsd) all offer the same ego-less state that eastern philosophy is all about. maybe the self truly is an illusion, and we will continue suffering until we stop questioning and just be.

You don't need psychedelics to reach altered states of consciousness.

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime You don't need psychedelics to reach altered states of consciousness.

the path to altered consciousness through meditation is quite difficult I believe. Although I might hazard a guess that it is less harmful than consuming drugs.

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Originally posted by Omega_M the path to altered consciousness through meditation is quite difficult I believe. Although I might hazard a guess that it is less harmful than consuming drugs.

All it takes is dedication and perseverance. It isn't as hard as you may think. People are just lazy and looking for a quick fix.

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime All it takes is dedication and perseverance. It isn't as hard as you may think. People are just lazy and looking for a quick fix.

Agreed. Have you succeeded in doing that ?

some people, maybe. but many just want to experience it without the dedication. but once experiencing it, many then reach it without drugs. if you read the article i posted you'd know.

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Through subsequent experimentation with LSD-25 and the other chemicals named above (with the exception of DMT, which I find amusing but relatively uninteresting), I found I could move with ease into the state of "cosmic consciousness," and in due course became less and less dependent on the chemicals themselves for "tuning in" to this particular wave length of experience.

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Originally posted by Haunted some people, maybe. but many just want to experience it without the dedication. but once experiencing it, many then reach it without drugs. if you read the article i posted you'd know.

I read the article, and it was a good read. I used to do a lot of mushrooms looking for the same experience, so I know how it is. But if you're looking for a spiritual experience using drugs like that, you can experience some things you would might not want to at that point and time. Each to their own, though.

I found after the time I've put into it, the results are a lot more satisfying now that I actually understand what the experience is all about -- because when you're tripping on psychedelics, most of the time you're just like: omgwtfbbq.

Music and dance is a great way to have an altered state of consciousness. Sure some drugs might enhance the experience, but it is quite possible to do it just through music and dance, esp hypnotic music like psy-trance or tribal type music. I'm actually going to do research as a psychologist (once I get my degree) into altered or heightened states as I prefer to call them. I also think that there is ways one can have these experiences through a gradual withdraw from wordly things or the stressors of everyday life. With time and dedication as noted, one can experience different realities or planes of existence...essentially an out of body experience. When i've meditated before, i've done a countdown from 10 to 1, over and over, and pictured climbing up a latter..and i've been in the beginning stages of an OBE. It's greater than a mere hallucination, although I don't believe all hallucinations are useless products of the mind that some psychologists, psychiatrists and neuroscientists believe. Graham Hancock has a great book "Supernatural" and there is another book called "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman. Good books that talk about DMT and how the experiences people have are very real, and similar to each other.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 altered or heightened states as I prefer to call them.

To say the least.

Trance is really good for that. There's also a lot of good stuff designed to change the brain frequencies. Jonathan Goldman does a lot of albums for meditation and you can also find a lot of psychedelic stuff with mantras in them.

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and i've been in the beginning stages of an OBE

You should check out Robert Bruce's info.

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime To say the least. Trance is really good for that. There's also a lot of good stuff designed to change the brain frequencies. Jonathan Goldman does a lot of albums for meditation and you can also find a lot of psychedelic stuff with mantras in them.

Yeah actually hemi-sync was a method created by noted OBE researcher Robert Monroe. I've experimented with that....it really does mess your brain frequencies...brain waves.

I actually have a theory. I haven't really explored it much, and have no idea if it's testable but I think DMT might be the neurotransmitter (yes it actually occurs in the brain, in small amounts) that is responsible for OBEs, NDEs and could very well be what we think of as "the soul".

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Yeah actually hemi-sync was a method created by noted OBE researcher Robert Monroe. I've experimented with that....it really does mess your brain frequencies...brain waves. I actually have a theory. I haven't really explored it much, and have no idea if it's testable but I think DMT might be the neurotransmitter (yes it actually occurs in small doses in the brain) that is responsible for OBEs, NDEs and could very well be what we think of as "the soul".

Yeah the pineal gland secretes DMT and has been suggested to be the Ajna chakra (third eye).

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Yeah actually hemi-sync was a method created by noted OBE researcher Robert Monroe. I've experimented with that....it really does mess your brain frequencies...brain waves. I actually have a theory. I haven't really explored it much, and have no idea if it's testable but I think DMT might be the neurotransmitter (yes it actually occurs in small doses in the brain) that is responsible for OBEs, NDEs and could very well be what we think of as "the soul".

It is illegal to have DMT present in your body.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail It is illegal to have DMT present in your body.

Yeah thats strange. But it does occur in the brain, is secreted as a neurotransmitter.

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