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I think this is a good thread to become the official discussion on these topics thread

word to yo mutha

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Originally posted by Ludikruz Well many reasons.. initially they were having a decent amount of issues including stability issues. Maybe the update helped that.. i dunno. Also they dont have a track record as a s/w dev company. If you've really put ur sytem through the work horses and are confident in its stability then be my guest and use it out. Hopefully you wont have any issues.. but i wouldnt recommend it at face value as pro dj sofware at the moment..it just hasnt proven itself.. just my opinion.. plus i read quite a few testimonials of people saying it had potential but didnt live upto expectations, and that they are sticking with ssl.

Yeah man the first two updates, from what I've read, made a dramatic difference in overall performance and functionality compared to the initial version. It'll take some time to get absolutely everything in order, but, like Ryan stated, I think it'll be one of the best options down the road, if not already.

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Originally posted by Ludikruz Well many reasons.. initially they were having a decent amount of issues including stability issues. Maybe the update helped that.. i dunno. Also they dont have a track record as a s/w dev company. If you've really put ur sytem through the work horses and are confident in its stability then be my guest and use it out. Hopefully you wont have any issues.. but i wouldnt recommend it at face value as pro dj sofware at the moment..it just hasnt proven itself.. just my opinion.. plus i read quite a few testimonials of people saying it had potential but didnt live upto expectations, and that they are sticking with ssl.

Don't have a track record as a software company? What rock have you been under? You do realize that M-Audio is a part of Avid, which made a little known product called Pro Tools.

regardless, it is not avid and it is not pro tools

Torq = win
























and savin dem dolla$

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Originally posted by Ludikruz regardless, it is not avid and it is not pro tools

I'm not sure what you're doing here. This is a blatant troll that offers no input to the discussion.

M-Audio is a part of Avid, so yes, it is Avid. Secondly, it's not Pro Tools? No shit, Captain Obvious. That's like saying Microsoft Office is not Windows Media Player. Okay they're different products. But what does that have to do with the quality of either one?

I find it absolutely ridiculous that people are talking shit about M-Audio's track record. They are a part of Avid, who created Pro Tools - a product without which we would never have even heard of Serato Audio Research. Need I remind everyone that SAR got their start with Pitch N Time for Pro Tools?

I'm not an M-Audio fan boy, but I do enjoy Torq for what it is. I have no hate for Serato and SSL is a great product, but to be honest the fan boys are really starting to piss me off. All I hear is shit about track record and how Torq is "not a proven product." At exactly which point does it become a "proven product"? Where's the line? I've been using Torq at home and at gigs since it was released, and I haven't had a single problem. There are big name DJs using it as well (DJ Heather, for example). What else do you need?

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Serato works really with low quality 128kbps 44khz mp3s

i cringed a little bit when i read that


as far as the topic goes, I used to use serato, I first used it a year and a half ago. It was always pretty solid.

However, I definitely had some USB problems playing 3hour+ sets, and even though I have done gigs with ableton and serato before, I really am not sold on computers in a live party situation: they're too delicate.


The last time I used serato was at a ridiculous house party that ended in serato being fried by some sort of alcohol spill and me stringing five backup records back to back for about 45 minutes before I got a cable that let me just mix in one of my recorded sets. It was my previous partner's Serato, luckilly.




Serato is good for playing parties where you want to get as wasted as the dancers. It's pretty much idiot-proof and so easy compared to real beatmatching. I was using it back before key lock. The new scratch live sounds great, with the video/midi/pitch n time, but I think I am going to stick with my ears for a while yet.

There are too many DJs now, and one of the reasons for that I think is serato actually. At my university alone I know of probably 4 or 5 DJs who use serato as a substitute for skill.

NEFARDEC,

I have seen you say in several threads that people use Serato in place of beatmatching skill to mix. Please tell me how that is possible when Serato does NOT do auto beatmatching. Your comments seem a bit biased on these programs with no real basis in how they work or can be used. Just because you may be running into shit DJ's using a certain program , doesn't mean it's because of the software, it just means they are shit DJ's.

Bought Serato at 4:30pm this early evening, had it playing in the club 5 hours later and it worked flawlessly, even with an ancient Pentium-III 1000MHz Dell Inspiron 2600.

Granted I had installed the software previously and started to sort some crates out, but to learn it in just a few hours and have it feel and sound just like I was playing with actual vinyl was pretty impressive.

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Originally posted by nefardec i cringed a little bit when i read that as far as the topic goes, I used to use serato, I first used it a year and a half ago. It was always pretty solid. However, I definitely had some USB problems playing 3hour+ sets, and even though I have done gigs with ableton and serato before, I really am not sold on computers in a live party situation: they're too delicate. The last time I used serato was at a ridiculous house party that ended in serato being fried by some sort of alcohol spill and me stringing five backup records back to back for about 45 minutes before I got a cable that let me just mix in one of my recorded sets. It was my previous partner's Serato, luckilly. Serato is good for playing parties where you want to get as wasted as the dancers. It's pretty much idiot-proof and so easy compared to real beatmatching. I was using it back before key lock. The new scratch live sounds great, with the video/midi/pitch n time, but I think I am going to stick with my ears for a while yet. There are too many DJs now, and one of the reasons for that I think is serato actually. At my university alone I know of probably 4 or 5 DJs who use serato as a substitute for skill.

Just want to say you're completely full of shit. Serato is no replacement for being a DJ. Either you can DJ or you can't. Beatmatching does NOT equal proper DJing.

I learned how to DJ on technics turntables and used them in clubs/bars/lounges/raves for years before Serato came out. For someone like you to say that since I purchased Serato that I'm not a real DJ then fuck you and you can eat rhinoscerous dung for the rest of your meager pathetic life. Bitch

I believe jealousy has begun to rear its ugly head.

regardless id rather just bring cds to the club than lug around a laptop and all that other shit, just easier.

thats my reason for not using serato

i'm thinking of buying serato, torq or traktor scratch in a year or so and after a short bit of googling i still have a few questions to those of you in the know.
i'm gonna be traveling a lot so i'd like to be able to mix (basically try stuff out while in the train) with just the laptop too, without the control cds. can this be done on any of the programs or do you always need the time control signal to play anything? apparently i could upgrade to traktor 3 if i'd go with traktor scratch and use traktor like it's normally used if the need be.
also i'd like to record my sets and i've understood that torq or serato neither offer this and i'm kinda unsure about traktor scratch offering it or not.
also i'm very unsure about how traktor scratch performs compared to torq and serato. i know there was some review on some thread on ta a while back but i can't find it!

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Originally posted by Allied Nations regardless id rather just bring cds to the club than lug around a laptop and all that other shit, just easier. thats my reason for not using serato

Most of the time if I get booked the venue already has Serato! So I just bring my external and my headphones.

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Originally posted by skip i'm gonna be traveling a lot so i'd like to be able to mix (basically try stuff out while in the train) with just the laptop too, without the control cds. can this be done on any of the programs or do you always need the time control signal to play anything?

as long as the interface box is plugged in, you don't need the control vinyls or CD's EVER, actually. There are turntable like features in the software you could use to control and playback your tracks.

There is no audio mixer and no headphone out jack on the SSL interface, so you'd have that limitation (unless you had one of those tiny behringer battery powered mixers/headphone amps).

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Originally posted by Zild Most of the time if I get booked the venue already has Serato! So I just bring my external and my headphones.

maybe it's like that in texas, but i've never seen serato installed in a club up here...

plus i much prefer flippin through cds to vinyl or scrollin on the pc.

i handwrite all my cd labels with the tracknames etc and i have developed a particular attachment to them and all of their locations....


we'll see about the future but right now i just dont need serato- am perfectly capable of expressing what i need expressed with my current medium... 3+ cdjs

allied i think that's probably the way it is in texas because american clubs play a lot of different styles and the residents are usually expected to be jukeboxes with everything the crowd could possibly want. serato is often the perfect choice also it helps overcome the skill deficiency in the residents to keep a certain level of quality in the club

you're in a place where that's not as necessary for a venue because the deejays will bring good music

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Originally posted by nefardec also it helps overcome the skill deficiency in the residents to keep a certain level of quality in the club

could you elaborate on this a bit further? I'm curious as to HOW it overcomes the skill deficiency in those that are lacking?

I've had Serato for all of 26 hours now, and I don't see it helping nor hindering my technical skills one bit (then again I'm behind the decks for about 20 hours a month, and only trainwreck once about every other month). I'm sure that once I get my crates organized I'll see some improvements in my track selection, but that's more from having more tracks available to me since it's not feasible to carry 400 vinyls down to the club with me every week.

Been using Torq for about a week now, and it does what it says on the tin. I wouldn't advise computer novices to use it though, you need to be pretty au fait with the workings of your PC to get it running.

Serato has better algorithms, final scratch has a better 24bit soundcard and torg is useful if you like to use ableton.
My pick: SERATO.

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Originally posted by Existo22 Serato has better algorithms, final scratch has a better 24bit soundcard and torg is useful if you like to use ableton. My pick: SERATO.

serato 1.8 will be killer, with the midi support and auto loop functions

Is Serato still the software to get?

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Originally posted by trekster Is Serato still the software to get?

It depends who you ask. I sold Serato for Traktor Scratch and know a lot of DJs who have done the same.

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Originally posted by Zild It depends who you ask. I sold Serato for Traktor Scratch and know a lot of DJs who have done the same.

Someone also told me about traktor. looks like its the app to get.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations regardless id rather just bring cds to the club than lug around a laptop and all that other shit, just easier. thats my reason for not using serato

My laptop is lighter than my CD booklet... I'd rather "lug" that to the club...

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