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Originally posted by neo geo yeah i've had my eyebrow done since i was 18. I worked in construction before and they did not care , but now i work for a jewelry store making jewelry and they make me take my jewelry out.

djslain was a good account (3 year) until he got tired of everything and turned into a troll. you have done the same.


either that or i'll pay for one of your body mods: a tattoo that says "FUCKING MORON" on your forehead.

you're level of comprehension and logic just defies that of a normal human being. are you a midget?

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Originally posted by neo geo yeah i've had my eyebrow done since i was 18. I worked in construction before and they did not care , but now i work for a jewelry store making jewelry and they make me take my jewelry out.

Well there's your answer. Jewelry stores like to have a clean appearance, and many (I'd say a sizeable majority) of your customers are going to find that an eyebrow ring isn't the cleanest of appearances. Those who are Hindu, like you argue in your first post, do so because of religious reasons and employers aren't allowed to tell them no because of it.

Retail doesn't allow anything outside of earrings, and I'm sure they went over this with you at some point during the hiring process. You made the decision to continue your employment with them after you learned it would have to be removed. Suck it up and deal with it or go somewhere else.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit djslain was a good account (3 year) until he got tired of everything and turned into a troll. you have done the same. either that or i'll pay for one of your body mods: a tattoo that says "FUCKING MORON" on your forehead.

then he would be copying me...

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel then he would be copying me...

damnit, then he wouldn't be an individual. anyone want to cum on his face?

1 d0n'7 h4v3 @ p3n0r..

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel 1 d0n'7 h4v3 @ p3n0r..

squirt? gush?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers employers can't see prince alberts ......

I have had mine for roughly 17 years, still do, and always will. its not like I advertise at work saying "Hey lookie!!!"

Being born and raised in Seattle, piercings are so normal, I'm abnormal for not having one. But I run into these situations somewhere in the middle of piercingville, I ask people why there's a bandaid on their nose/eyebrow/lip and they explain their boss made them take out the piercing. What the fuck? This happened at my old job (24 hour fuckfest) where this chick had to take out her eyebrow piercing, meanwhile 50% of the people she scanned had piercings and tattoos.

Work isn't a democracy, if youre a public face for the company then it's really up to them to only provide the following things.
Protection from racial, religious or sexual discrimination
A safe, clean work environment
Protective clothing for hazardous or unclean workspace

Aside from that and the usual work requirements of getting paid and taxes, its really up to them what they want their employee to look like and if they don't like it, especially as a public image for the company, then they have all the reasons they need to make you conform to the uniform codes they lay down.
If they dont want your hair a certain way or piercings, jewelry or anything else, theyre quite within their rights to say 'no'

Its rarely personal and it varies depending on what part of the customer service industry youre in, someone hiring you as a bartender or waitress isnt going to care if youre full of metal if its an alternative nightclub, indeed they might even encourage it because that caters a little to the clientel.
People working in other industries which have a broader range of clients going through are more or less expected to just be a part of the furniture. Youre supposed to be as inoffensive as just being a part of the scenery really because it doesnt make people uncomfortable. As much as you don't think its going to make the vast majority of people uncomfortable with piercings because it's part of the scenery for where you live, you'd be suprised how conservative people can be amongst all age groups and if they don't like how the sales staff appear, then they will not be hanging around to buy stuff or as much stuff.

They don't want that.

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Originally posted by Lilith Work isn't a democracy, if youre a public face for the company then it's really up to them to only provide the following things. Protection from racial, religious or sexual discrimination A safe, clean work environment Protective clothing for hazardous or unclean workspace

That makes sense to an extent, i.e. someone with dozens of dangling facial piercings would look like a potential health risk to me. But a stud in the cheek or nose shouldn't pose anymore threat than one in the ear. I guess the point I'm trying to make is in many work places it's okay to wear earrings while it's not for other facial parts. However, with the growing trend to accept these new places of piercings, shouldn't the workplace also adapt to be inclusive as well? It's not a matter of democracy to me, but more or less catching up to societal change.

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People working in other industries which have a broader range of clients going through are more or less expected to just be a part of the furniture. Youre supposed to be as inoffensive as just being a part of the scenery really because it doesnt make people uncomfortable.

True and agreed. But I've been to some places (maybe they are the exception) such as 24 hour fitness, tanning salons, and clothing stores where it doesn't seem like taking out a nose ring is necessary.

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As much as you don't think its going to make the vast majority of people uncomfortable with piercings because it's part of the scenery for where you live, you'd be suprised how conservative people can be amongst all age groups and if they don't like how the sales staff appear, then they will not be hanging around to buy stuff or as much stuff.

I didn't know businesses were supposed to adjust their standards to conservative people.

Yeah, sadly its just the way of the world Jake.
It will change but I don't expect any kind of wide social acceptance in business and especially in sales, in my lifetime for this sort of thing. Personally I've got nothing against peircings, when I was a practicing beauty therapist in the late 90's I probably rammed more bits of metal into people than is sensible! haha!
Not into it personally, just not what I like aside from a couple of earings. However as a sales coach for a long time as well, its my job to pick up on both what the customers want from a company's staff and the widespread consensus is that, it isnt the look they want.
Not because its (facial piercings) dirty, unhygenic or anything, but simply because it bucks the social norm for too many people to really feel comfortable around.

Mostly its because it appears 'painful' to people and they feel uncomfortable having to deal with someone they've never met, who may be in some kind of distress or injured.
Now, we all know it isnt, but that is the feeling they get.

The point about hindus doesn't even make sense either. Of course the workplace is allowed to tell them to remove their body piercings if that is part of the dresscode for the company, no? They can tell them that without having anything to do with religion as far as i know. Maybe the employer will be more reluctant to tell the person in question because they know of their strong beliefs. But technically, there shouldn't be any difference at all between the body piercing of a non-hindu and the one of a hindu.

its trashy

also they started their business the dude running it can do whatever he wants just like if you started a business you could allow piercings. Why do you people feel entitled to grab a piece of the pie when it was a group of people forging ahead before you and its THEIRS they OWN IT. Thats like bitching that you cant put spinners on their porsche.

You guys are assholes lol. Does it really matter if someone wears a piercing at work? I used to have my ear pierced and it wasn't a problem at my last job until I actually started. I interviewed with the piercing no problem, I was working there for almost a week without any problem. Then out of the blue my boss says, "oh btw, new policy take your piercing out". I never did I just kept saying "oh, sorry I forgot."

Big fucking deal, it's just an ring.

Depends on the employer: my last employer had nothing against piercings.

Re: discrimination against people with piercings

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Originally posted by neo geo If they are from india they are allowed to wear nose rings because of their culture, but we can not. WHY?

Because in India only women wear nose rings.

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Originally posted by eckmek The point about hindus doesn't even make sense either. Of course the workplace is allowed to tell them to remove their body piercings if that is part of the dresscode for the company, no? They can tell them that without having anything to do with religion as far as i know. Maybe the employer will be more reluctant to tell the person in question because they know of their strong beliefs. But technically, there shouldn't be any difference at all between the body piercing of a non-hindu and the one of a hindu.

If they wear it for religious purposes, the employer cannot tell them to remove it.

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Originally posted by idoru If they wear it for religious purposes, the employer cannot tell them to remove it.

exactly why the somalis back in HS were allowed to wash their feet in the sinks in the bathroom...

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Originally posted by Aristronica exactly why the somalis back in HS were allowed to wash their feet in the sinks in the bathroom...

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Originally posted by idoru

i swear to god!

it was some kind of morning ritual, they'd all show up about an hour before anyone else. there was a big discussion about it but in the end they let them do it cuz it was religious or something. most people didn't know, but my Calc. 3 Satellite class was an hour before school started, and I walked in to take a piss once and was like

edit: i think they were Islam too, so it's some kind of Islam tradition. maybe someone can clarify... i'm gonna go hit up Wiki, i'm interested.

yah here we go -

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Masah (Arabic ���) refers to the act of ritually cleaning the feet or head with a small amount of water before prayer (salat) in the Islamic faith. On the feet, masah can be done over thick woolen or over leather socks known as khuffs, but according to the overwhelming majority of the jurists not on normal cotton socks. This is done when one has put on the socks shortly after previous ritual cleaning (called wudu), without having broken the conditions for that wudu, and time comes for the next prayer. It is then acceptable to wipe the covering of the feet in place of re-washing the feet. It is not permissible to do masah if the socks have significant holes. It is also done over one's headcovering in a similar manner involving the first three fingers. Additionally it is only permissible for a 24 hour period if at home, and 3 days if travelling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masah

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Wudu (Arabic: الوضوء al-wuḍū', Persian:آبدست ābdast ,often translated as "ablution") is the act of washing parts of the body using clean water performed by Muslims, as part of the preparation for ritual worship, salah. Wudu is often translated as "partial ablution", as opposed to ghusl, or "full ablution".

Its really kind of simple. Your employer owns the business. They can't discriminate against you based on race, religion, age, gender, etc. However if they don't want you looking like a sideshow freak with a bunch of shit in your face they can say take it out or no job. Having facial piercings is not normal (if you consider how many people have them vs. society as a whole) and unless its a tatoo shop most employers want you to look as normal as possible so their business appeals to the majority of people. Same reason most have a dress code. If you don't like it, don't take the job.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Its really kind of simple. Your employer owns the business. They can't discriminate against you based on race, religion, age, gender, etc. However if they don't want you looking like a sideshow freak with a bunch of shit in your face they can say take it out or no job. Having facial piercings is not normal (if you consider how many people have them vs. society as a whole) and unless its a tatoo shop most employers want you to look as normal as possible so their business appeals to the majority of people. Same reason most have a dress code. If you don't like it, don't take the job.

here's the thing tho, what if you get hired with shit in your face, then like 2 months later they ask you to take it out. that's just gangsta.

i can understand if you get hired clean cut and then walk in one day with a mohawk and all that shit, then yes your boss has every right to pull out on you

Do you work at McDonald's or something?? I work for a large Corporation and I have my nose pierced and tattoos. They are cool with it!

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Originally posted by Sunsnail I am a discriminator. Jesus says no piercings

he also said no snails and no sun.

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