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Originally posted by TwistedDUO And yet the ignorance of elitism flourishes. Who's to say that I haven't been on here for years and have changed my identity? Who's to say that just because I may be new here, that I haven't been "answering the same questions" for almost two decades in other scenarios (like real-life for instance)? I'm sorry that your viewpoint of validity lies in a post-count number. It's that kind of closed mindedness that discourages newbies to make new music and thus continually evolve it overall.

I don't think he judges by your number of posts or anything...if you'd have been here for 5 years, you would just behave totally differently...

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Originally posted by BOOsTER I don't think he judges by your number of posts or anything...if you'd have been here for 5 years, you would just behave totally differently...

And I'm saying that that is a completely generalized and false statement.

I've been involved with edm music for 15 years. There's not too many questions that I haven't been asked. I produce music for a living (for different ventures, not just dance music). I've thrown (or been involved with) more parties, clubnights, and raves than I can count. I've been around the block enough to warrant people seeking me for advice.

I've answered alot of questions over the years via websites, mentoring, and even just from generally curious people. So "hanging out here about 5 years" will really not make much of a difference towards my attitude. If I can't answer a question of feel it's redundant, I refer them to the answer.

Being an asshole over a no0b question is weak. If you don't want to answer, then don't. Let somebody else who doesn't mind helping others and evolve the music answer. Sometimes, having them research thier own answer is best. But being a jerk about does nothing.

it's all relative...

and this thread isn't really worth attacking each other...or whatever you wanna call it.

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO Let somebody else who doesn't mind helping others and evolve the music answer. Sometimes, having them research thier own answer is best. But being a jerk about does nothing.

flaming noobs that dont read stickies prior to asking the question is fun imo...LOL...they deserve it. for fucks sake, there are no reasons not to read the BOLD topics at the very TOP of the forum...ROFL noobs.

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Originally posted by ASFSE flaming noobs that dont read stickies prior to asking the question is fun imo...LOL...they deserve it. for fucks sake, there are no reasons not to read the BOLD topics at the very TOP of the forum...ROFL noobs.

And thus one replies:
You're answer is here *insert the sticky". Otherwise let them figure it out on thier own.

Why do they deserve to be made fun of? Does it make you feel superior to them? Does it boost your ego a notch knowing that you know more than somebody else? Personally, I find it a waste and it's destructive to the music as a whole.

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO And thus one replies: You're answer is here *insert the sticky". Otherwise let them figure it out on thier own. Why do they deserve to be made fun of? Does it make you feel superior to them? Does it boost your ego a notch knowing that you know more than somebody else? Personally, I find it a waste and it's destructive to the music as a whole.

you may find it destructive...

but i find it entertaining...i come here to be entertained, i give out a helping hand where i can, but for the most part i like to have a good time and ridicule people where i find it appropriate.

does it boost my ego? i dunno, does it? maybe it does, but that's not why i do what i do. answering a question appropriatly without making fun of the person boosts ego as well the way i see it. it makes you feel good about yourself when you help someone out.

but whatever.

this is the part when I should go ahead and flame on further since I just got even more material to flame...but I aint gonna do that...well at least not untill I personally get a hamster with a pancake on the head...delivered personally by you!

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Originally posted by ASFSE answering a question appropriatly without making fun of the person boosts ego as well the way i see it. it makes you feel good about yourself when you help someone out. but whatever.

wahhaha, way to turn it around on him. awsome.

I'd love to be knowledgeable enough to help others here, hopefully someday I will be.

I help out when I can, and also seek help when I need it.

Flaming and attacking noobs just for the fun of it, so that you can feed your own ego makes you an asshole, plain and simple. If you're sick of the questions then just ignore them or link to the answer. Ok fair enough, I admit that you do sometimes get completely stupid questions, but most of the time I see people flaming a noob for a perfectly valid question. It's not very nice, nor does it help anyone.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Interesting theory. Any evidence or logic to support it, or are you just full of shit?

I don't mean you diginut, and I don't mean most of the people on this forum. I shouldn't have used a general term like "you guys". I was refering to just a few here.

i agree

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Originally posted by zodiac9 I don't mind sharing what I know here. I'm not going to put a lot of time into it though, because you never know if you are wasting your time or not. Some of these so called "stupid questions" are really an attempt to start a discussion. Like one recent one, asking what pink noise is. I'm sure this person knew they could look it up with a search, they've been around here a while. I think they wanted to know what everyone here thought about pink noise, and how they use it. Instead, they got told do do a search. How bout we just dissolve this forum, we don't need it, if a search and FAQs are all we need? Unforunately, search engines and FAQs can't talk back to you and engage you in a discussion. There's a bit of snottiness and nastiness here. If you think a question is stupid, just ignore it. Smartass comments are uncalled for and make this place look bad. You have jackasses on every music forum though, I'm glad there is an ignore feature here.

i 100% agree with you..

cheers

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO I love sharing my knowledge with others. Yah, people ask stupid questions alot. But when I first started dj'ing and producing, I didn't know some of the basic shit either. So to tell somebody that if they can't answer a basic or stupid question then they don't deserve to by producing is kinda harsh. I feel that some people fear competition so they try to eliminate those who don't much so they don't become a threat. When I help others, I feel that I'm making more of a contribution to the music as a whole. I'm sharing my experience and knowledge with somebody who hasn't experienced it (whatever "it" is). This way, they can avoid any hardships or at least have an expectation on what "could happen". If that person becomes a great dj or musician, then I feel even better that I helped somebody make thier dreams come true. I can say that I had some influence on it. If somebody asks a repetitive question I often reply with a reference on where they can get thier answer. I don't spend alot of time giving them the answers rather I have them answer thier own question through researching it.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja wahhaha, way to turn it around on him. awsome.

That would be great if I got an ego boost from it. But I truly don't. Because in reality who I choose to help really has no relavance on my own life and music career. Especially here on an internet board.

As far as finding entertainment in others' lack of knowledge. Well, that's just pitiful and says alot about you as a person. It must make you feel good about yourself when you get a good cheap shot in. Otherwise you wouldn't do it or defend your actions so.

i'm sure most of you would feel like shit if you ask a question from your favorite dj and he/she/they just fell on the ground and rolled and started laughing and making fun of you..well unless you're just sick in the head..
as much as its fun to do it and you get a good laugh out of it, at the end of the day deep inside you feel guilty but you just choose to ignore it..

you can't come up to this conclusion unless you change your way of thinking and you can't change your way of thinking by being told to do so.

p.s. i didn't meant to start a war on T.A.

cheers.

lets end this thread now.

I definitly am trying to constantly help ppl when it comes to productions. And I love doing it. It gives so much back to me in return. I'm helping ppl at these forums for the moment:

tranceaddict
globalhardstyle
globalhardcore

If I had the knowledge, I'd sure help.

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO That would be great if I got an ego boost from it. But I truly don't. Because in reality who I choose to help really has no relavance on my own life and music career.

Pardon my interruption, but I fail to see how "ego boost" is in any way synonymous with or even related to your "own life and music career". It makes perfect sense to be getting the ego boost regardless of how it affects your... career.

Besides, you are most definitely trying to give yourself an ego boost with your incessant attacks in this thread, evidently trying to prove to us that you're far less selfish than the rest of us assholes.

I don't exactly condone indiscriminate flaming of newbies, the key word being indiscriminate. A little bit of tough love is sometimes necessary for the people who don't want to think for themselves; spoonfeed people everything and they'll never learn how to learn. And seeing as how I maintain the stickies and am continually trying to contribute other useful ideas like the equipment recommendations and the CPU thread, you're going to have a hard time convincing me or anyone else here that I'm just a bitter old crank who doesn't want to share the knowledge because *gasp* somebody else might use it to get good. These theories are really a load of crap and you know it.

The fact of the matter is, some of the comments you've posted in this thread are considerably more vicious than any of the casual slights that some regular members post to the people looking for "help" (I use the term loosely, since the "help" desired is often a cookbook). You are every bit as guilty of the cheap shots and ego-tripping that you are putting others here on trial for - you're just targetting a different group. If you were innocent and altruistic, you'd be out setting an example instead of actively pissing all over the people you think are jerks. Speaking of examples, I can't seem to recall any serious recent contributions you've made - care to point me to one or two of them?

some people are so touchy...
relax a little and take life less serious, you'll live longer in the end

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Originally posted by DigiNut Pardon my interruption, but I fail to see how "ego boost" is in any way synonymous with or even related to your "own life and music career". It makes perfect sense to be getting the ego boost regardless of how it affects your... career. Besides, you are most definitely trying to give yourself an ego boost with your incessant attacks in this thread, evidently trying to prove to us that you're far less selfish than the rest of us assholes. I don't exactly condone indiscriminate flaming of newbies, the key word being indiscriminate. A little bit of tough love is sometimes necessary for the people who don't want to think for themselves; spoonfeed people everything and they'll never learn how to learn. And seeing as how I maintain the stickies and am continually trying to contribute other useful ideas like the equipment recommendations and the CPU thread, you're going to have a hard time convincing me or anyone else here that I'm just a bitter old crank who doesn't want to share the knowledge because *gasp* somebody else might use it to get good. These theories are really a load of crap and you know it. The fact of the matter is, some of the comments you've posted in this thread are considerably more vicious than any of the casual slights that some regular members post to the people looking for "help" (I use the term loosely, since the "help" desired is often a cookbook). You are every bit as guilty of the cheap shots and ego-tripping that you are putting others here on trial for - you're just targetting a different group. If you were innocent and altruistic, you'd be out setting an example instead of actively pissing all over the people you think are jerks. Speaking of examples, I can't seem to recall any serious recent contributions you've made - care to point me to one or two of them?

No, I just enjoy a good debate that's all. For me, this is entertainment and heaven forbid that somebody challenge the majority of thinking. In essence, by challenging the majority whom feel the need to bash on newbies asking "stupid" or redundant questions, I'm helping them as well. I'm simply interjecting an intelligent rebuttal to the psuedo-nonsense of newbie bashing, I'm getting a point across as well.

Sure, it's stupid banter all in it's own. I mean, how can I honestly think I can change the minds of those who choose to be the way they are? It would be awful egotistical to think it's possible. But THIS is entertainment. And many of you played right into it.

So my next (and last) question to you is:
How do your shoes feel being on the other foot?

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO So my next (and last) question to you is: How do your shoes feel being on the other foot?

I've never been in any other shoes then my own...or to put it straight into words, I read the stickies and use the search before I post a stupid or redundant question and I've always done that.

I can't see what the hard part in that is so when people ignore the fact that the stickies exist and that the search button is located in the upper right corner I ignore the fact that they deserve a warm welcome and flame their asses back to whatever rathole they came from.

and again, I've never stated anywhere at any time that I'm a nice or good person. I help the ones that deserve it and I attend in discussions that in some way can improve my technical or theoretical knowledge about the subject.

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO So my next (and last) question to you is: How do your shoes feel being on the other foot?

That question implies that I've done something thoughtless and stupid and been called on it. If that were indeed the case, I would say that I probably deserved it and get on with my life (it's happened plenty of times).

Your analogy doesn't hold much water here though, seeing as how you're the instigator (one of them, anyway) in this situation, and unlike many of us, you're harping on behaviour that's perfectly understandable and justifiable. Simply because you personally choose to equate them morally does not make them equal or even similar.

Just let it go guys. I'm sorry that some of you got all butt-sore over my defending the newbies. I'll continue to help others while you guys continue to belittle them. I will continue to feel that belittling them in the name of "entertainment" is in poor taste and character. I will continue to help those who want it because I feel it it's what is best for the music as a whole.

I didn't read your responses because I have nothing left to prove, say, or justify to you or anybody. I do just fine with my productions, my work, and my life with or without your commentary. I don't feel the need to have to validate myself by talking down others or over publicising my own accomplishments for the attention. So if you feel the need to justify yourselves even further, then feel free to quote me to your heart's content.

hear hear! lets drink some beer

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