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Originally posted by Q5echo OMG you people's imaginations just don't stop do they? we're not invading Iran. we might, maybe try and knock out their clandestine nuke facilities WITH A UN MANDATE! but we're not invading Iran. Bush will not try to stay in office. Bush will not try to stay in office. how does that make any sense to any rational person who know how this political environment works at this moment! jeez.

NeoCons really should be saying that. IRAQ + WMDs = LOL

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Originally posted by Cyrus King 6)Israel is a power-hungry terrorist death machine

you mean it's like a machine that kills terrorists?


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and on the serious note...
this is the kind of statements that drive away any will i have left to come here and debate seriously.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z NeoCons really should be saying that. IRAQ + WMDs = LOL

what?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, my personal opinion is there's probably going to be another staged terrorist attack, worse than 9-11, and everyone will be all paranoid and let the Bush administration do whatever the hell they want. I'm guessing it'll be thermonuclear or biological in nature. And he'll blame it on Iran, and enough people will buy it as their congnatie abilities will be compromised shortly after the attack. Just a guess. Let's see if it actually happens.

I agree. If there is another attack on America then things will change dramatically. The next attack will probably be executed more subtly and may be more damaging than 09/11. Bush will take advantage of the situation and take harsh measures which will include some sort of confrontation with Iran. His popularity will soar again and the republicans will probably keep the power. But if such an attack does not occur, then I don't see a war with Iran in the near future based on the current political situation.

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Originally posted by Omega_M I agree. If there is another attack on America then things will change dramatically. The next attack will probably be executed more subtly and may be more damaging than 09/11. Bush will take advantage of the situation and take harsh measures which will include some sort of confrontation with Iran. His popularity will soar again and the republicans will probably keep the power. But if such an attack does not occur, then I don't see a war with Iran in the near future based on the current political situation.

What kind of weed are you smoking these days? You have a vivid imagination. Bush is not going to invade Iran as he already has enough to deal with in Iraq. JonSun is right when he points to Iran's solidarity compared to Iraq's pre-invasion. The only way Bush's military advisers would tell him invading Iran would be feasible is if we had no enormous commitments already existing. I don't see us abandoning Iraq for a worse situation. And don't worry about Bush regaining any sort of post 9/11 popularity. If another major attack does take place the American public might just blame it directly on Bush's posturing and warmongering and further inhibit his actions just as we have already begun to.

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Originally posted by Nautilus What kind of weed are you smoking these days? You have a vivid imagination. Bush is not going to invade Iran as he already has enough to deal with in Iraq. JonSun is right when he points to Iran's solidarity compared to Iraq's pre-invasion. The only way Bush's military advisers would tell him invading Iran would be feasible is if we had no enormous commitments already existing. I don't see us abandoning Iraq for a worse situation. And don't worry about Bush regaining any sort of post 9/11 popularity. If another major attack does take place the American public might just blame it directly on Bush's posturing and warmongering and further inhibit his actions just as we have already begun to.

I am not smoking any weed. If you read my earlier posts in this thread I've already stated my opinion that Bush will not invade Iran under the current political scenario. Your interpretation of a 9/11 type of attack scenario is equally imaginative. Under a terrorist attack, people are likely to go in a panic mode. The only authority that can protect them is the Govt and not the opposition. Instead of playing the blame game, people are more likely to listen to the Government. And the Govt will capitalize on the situation considering the elections. It may take steps to "prove" Iran's guilt and initiate military action.

By the look of it, Bush is already beefing up the military in that region. Already the American forces are conducing cross border raids with Iran. An increase in hostilities is hardly a logistical nightmare. Yes it will increase the mess. But Bush may again "rethink" his strategy in Iraq and redeploy some the troops in Iran. This scenario is unlikely if nothing untoward happens in the US. But it may very well happen, if America comes under another terror attack.

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Originally posted by Omega_M I am not smoking any weed. If you read my earlier posts in this thread I've already stated my opinion that Bush will not invade Iran under the current political scenario. Your interpretation of a 9/11 type of attack scenario is equally imaginative. Under a terrorist attack, people are likely to go in a panic mode. The only authority that can protect them is the Govt and not the opposition. Instead of playing the blame game, people are more likely to listen to the Government. And the Govt will capitalize on the situation considering the elections. It may take steps to "prove" Iran's guilt and initiate military action. By the look of it, Bush is already beefing up the military in that region. Already the American forces are conducing cross border raids with Iran. An increase in hostilities is hardly a logistical nightmare. Yes it will increase the mess. But Bush may again "rethink" his strategy in Iraq and redeploy some the troops in Iran. This scenario is unlikely if nothing untoward happens in the US. But it may very well happen, if America comes under another terror attack.

I don't know. Our reaction to another attack can go either way. There's a lot of fed up people in the States. (I don't know where you're from, so I don't know if you realize this). Anyways, at this point I can only see one positive from a US invasion of Iran: I'm past conscription age . I'm not going to die for Bush's ego.

The US does not have the capacity to invade any country at this point.

The forces are stretched too thin already.

The administration may want to invade Iran, but it won't happen.



MrS

This is too funny. Iranians stand no chance to an armed force of 100 000 marines and the american air force and navy. You know what I say? Bring it on!

I don't think the US would invade per se, but they will likely launch air strikes and cruise missiles.

I think Mr Squirrel is right. The US doesn;t have enough troops to do the job properly on the ground, nevermind risking further chaos in Iraq if he re-deploys troops for a ground invasion of Iran.

I think the most troops that will be on the ground in Iran are special forces.

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC 5)Ahmadinejad is mentally retarded and believes it's armageddon.

and god told Bush to invade Iraq,so who is fuckin mentally retarded?

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6)Iran is a power-hungry terrorist death machine

WHEN was the last time Iran attacked or invaded another country you poor Mexican refugee?

You think the US will launch the strikes? We could be looking forward to a repeat of the 1981 Osirak incident. Iran knows this, and they're scared of Israel's air superiority in the region. Iran is taking the threat so seriously they began building new air defense platforms around their reactors two years ago, Only after the completion of a viable SAM defense did Iran begin to officially threaten retaliation to any strike so extreme that Israel will be left crippled beyond recognition.

Iran has called for the extermination of a memberstate of the UN, which is grounds for removal, and they've done it so often, it's not like the news has just managed to slip past all concerned parties. I think it's pretty obvious that the top brass in the international community is turning a blind eye to Iranian rhetoric, hopeful that diplomatic solutions will gain traction in a country with a parliament and rather levelheaded citizens.

this whole thread is shit

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Originally posted by Rhuckus You think the US will launch the strikes? We could be looking forward to a repeat of the 1981 Osirak incident. Iran knows this, and they're scared of Israel's air superiority in the region. Iran is taking the threat so seriously they began building new air defense platforms around their reactors two years ago, Only after the completion of a viable SAM defense did Iran begin to officially threaten retaliation to any strike so extreme that Israel will be left crippled beyond recognition.

I dunno about Israel attacking...I think the US will use all of it's pressure to prevent them from attacking since they know the whole situation will get beyond anyone's control if Israel attacks.

The US runs the risk of losing support from it's moderate friends in the region too if that happens (Saudis, Jordan & Egypt).

I think that the US might be acting as more of an Israeli proxy in this case, threatenning Iran on behalf of Israel as much as on behalf of itself.

But hey, who knows...maybe Israel will just decide to launch the strike without telling anyone.

These are interesting times for sure...

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Originally posted by pmoisse I dunno about Israel attacking...I think the US will use all of it's pressure to prevent them from attacking since they know the whole situation will get beyond anyone's control if Israel attacks. The US runs the risk of losing support from it's moderate friends in the region too if that happens (Saudis, Jordan & Egypt).

the Sunni states i.e. Saudi Arabia and Gulf states and Jordan and Egypt are behind Bush on taking out their Nuke facilities. not so much Israel but they would look the other way IMO if Israel decided to on their own.

the focus should be and has been on Iran. Iran needs to be isolated diplomatically and we have done our best to do that thru the Security Council.

we need balls of steel to deal with Iran. something a lot of countries don't have. they don't listen otherwise.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer WHEN was the last time Iran attacked or invaded another country you poor Mexican refugee?

Hey this is not the way to talk, dont forget you are also a poor refugee in west... and your dad licked someone's ass to get residence status in west.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid This is too funny. Iranians stand no chance to an armed force of 100 000 marines and the american air force and navy. You know what I say? Bring it on!

HA! Did Iraq stood a chance?

First clear the two miles strip from Baghdad Airport to Baghdad city with that 100 000 marines with tiny little gagdgets like infrared vision and stuff.. Iraqies fucked US with homemade pistols and second hand AK47s.

The truth is US 'soilders' are shit scared of being in Iraq, they cry,they send emo letters back home, saying they dont want to die, because they know they will die, and if they stay Iraqies will fuck them. Those cute little US soilders which Hollywood show in movies looks only good in movies.. in reality they sweat and shit in their pants when Bush says we need more re-inforcements.. American soilders are pussies.

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Originally posted by Q5echo the Sunni states i.e. Saudi Arabia and Gulf states and Jordan and Egypt are behind Bush on taking out their Nuke facilities. not so much Israel but they would look the other way IMO if Israel decided to on their own. the focus should be and has been on Iran. Iran needs to be isolated diplomatically and we have done our best to do that thru the Security Council. we need balls of steel to deal with Iran. something a lot of countries don't have. they don't listen otherwise.

you could be right, I think the Sunni moderate/friendly states' reaction is too close to call at this point.

You're also right that the US does need balls of steel in this game of geo-politcal chicken, but I don;t think attacking pre-emptively is the winning strategy. Diplomatic isolation would be the best course, but getting anything done on the security council will be tough with China wielding a veto (and a huge contract for Iranian oil...ironically to make cheap goods to be shipped to the US).

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Originally posted by Purple The truth is US 'soilders' are shit scared of being in Iraq, they cry,they send emo letters back home, saying they dont want to die, because they know they will die, and if they stay Iraqies will fuck them. Those cute little US soilders which Hollywood show in movies looks only good in movies.. in reality they sweat and shit in their pants when Bush says we need more re-inforcements.. American soilders are pussies.

k.

Tell me you wouldn't pee in your pants at the thought of falling into the hands of the militia and dying a horrific tortured death. And most of the soldiers out there are probably in their 20s. Some are not even 20. It's one thing to be a bravado on the forums and quite another, to be out there in the front.

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Originally posted by Omega_M k. Tell me you wouldn't pee in your pants at the thought of falling into the hands of the militia and dying a horrific tortured death. And most of the soldiers out there are probably in their 20s. Some are not even 20. It's one thing to be a bravado on the forums and quite another, to be out there in the front.

You seee if the war was justified and real worth to die for, they would not have any problems with it, but they all know its fake and for political wins.. thats why they dont want to be their and die.. its an unecessary war.. with no point or goals,.,;. a uselesss act of unsolicitated agression which wasnt necessary.. but the mother ****** Bush invaded it for his personal family vendetta and political ambitions.. I hope he rots to death in a jail in Hague, if not than Iraqis fuck US hard and destroys everyone living in it, just like US has done for Iraqies.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King 5)Bush is mentally retarded.

that alone could lead to a war lol

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Originally posted by Rhuckus Iran has called for the extermination of a memberstate of the UN, which is grounds for removal, and they've done it so often, it's not like the news has just managed to slip past all concerned parties. I think it's pretty obvious that the top brass in the international community is turning a blind eye to Iranian rhetoric, hopeful that diplomatic solutions will gain traction in a country with a parliament and rather levelheaded citizens.

Right because Israel hasnt circumvented dozens of UN resolutions, which would also be grounds for removal. All the players in this tragic comedy have their share of wrongs done my friend, no one here has the 'moral high ground'. It's a matter of pragmatism at this point. It is not practical for the US to attack Iran right now, they are overstreched and they have no way of securing a positive reaction for the middle east. Of the other two recent invasions they've done recently they managed to mishandle both of them, not a very enticing track record i would say. So why don't you try and build up a practical case for attacking Iran, instead of boring us with rehashed arguments.

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Originally posted by venomX Right because Israel hasnt circumvented dozens of UN resolutions, which would also be grounds for removal. All the players in this tragic comedy have their share of wrongs done my friend, no one here has the 'moral high ground'. It's a matter of pragmatism at this point. It is not practical for the US to attack Iran right now, they are overstreched and they have no way of securing a positive reaction for the middle east. Of the other two recent invasions they've done recently they managed to mishandle both of them, not a very enticing track record i would say. So why don't you try and build up a practical case for attacking Iran, instead of boring us with rehashed arguments.

Why would i build up a practical case for attacking Iran when i don't think it's the best action? Kindly note that i stated it was Top Brass in the INTERNATIONAL community that was turning a blind eye. There is no strong-arm, "we will remove your memberstate status" rhetoric coming from the UN aimed at Iran, but threatening rhetoric has been aimed at Israel. You jump at me with claims of moral high ground like you think I'm a Zionist before you even understand my position. Did i say that it would be a wonderful idea if Israel attacked Iran? Did I suggest the U.S. should use Israel as a proxy to strike Iran? No, because i don't agree with those claims.

Israel has made threats to bomb Iran's nuclear capabilities, and they've made strikes of this nature in the past, so it is a possibility that we will see a repeat. I read this thread quickly and didn't notice a mention of Osirak or Iranian air defense around nuclear sites, but if someone already said it and I'm "rehashing" i sincerely apologize. I thought it pertinent seeing as how the US has weapon trading treaties and promises with Israel, and if we uphold these agreements after Israel instigates violence, we're looking at a very, erm, spicy situation.

If you'd really like a case for attacking, one could be made based upon the enrichment of uranium despite specific promises not to do so. Doesn't hold much water with me as a case for war, but warrant for a strike under the current administration? I don't think it's much of a logical stretch.

Oh, and one more thing: impractical? The US is already in Afghanistan and Iraq. I learned how to play connect the dots when i was six years old No, seriously though you're right. While Iran is still in talks with Russia, why wouldn't we let that option be exhausted before escalating? (That's a rhetorical question, i know "Bush is retarded" has already been suggested)

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Originally posted by Purple but they all know its fake and for political wins.

no man, only you know it's fake.

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC 2)Iran spews fiery rhetoric every week for years calling for Israel's destruction alongside it's not so secret training camps for terrorists. 5)Ahmadinejad is mentally retarded and believes it's armageddon. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5121501428.html 6)Iran is a power-hungry terrorist death machine

+1
I hope the war with Iran will come sooner rather than later, unless the Iranian youths start rebelling real hard against the fucked up uber-religious government they have.

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Originally posted by jonSun I agree. The differnce between Iran & Iraq is that Iran is 99% Shia & the Shias have power.

Actually, Iran is 90 percent Shia, but only 51 percent of Iran is Persian.
So how much power does the remaining 49 percent really have?

It's high time to split that sorry excuse of a backwards country up BIG TIME!

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