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true, sayin that just because someone smokes weed often, lets say a few times a day, that they are weak minded is pretty rediculous. I myself smoke about twice a day on avg. and have never as a result been extra lazy or "burned out". I have never called out of work so i can smoke all day, and i do things as diligently as if i were sober all the time...It really comes down to the individual. Someone whos a moron or a burnout is just a stoned moron/burnout when they smoke. Its not like if these major "potheads" that ppl speak of were to quit weed, they would somehow turn into rocket scientists or something. Probably still be as "weak minded" as they were when they were burning all the time. Ne way, why even start this debate, esp. on a website about trance and clubbing?? not exactly the most morally spotless activity i dont think....besides, name 1 person you know that doesnt smoke cigs, drink coffe, smoke weed, drink alcohol, or do other drugs??? i cant name any and all of these things are drugs....trying to alter our consciousness with drugs or other "vices" are human nature whether u want to accept it or not. I just read in a NYC paper the other day that people were using drugs as long as 7-8000 years ago (chewing coca leaves to work in high altitudes, some other shit i cant remember what it was) And if u can really say that you are exempt from all of this, well then my friend you are a better person than me. Probably have a really dull, miserable life, but a better person nonetheless. My 2 cents.

Peace, keep em burnin'

I believe it's like for beer, it all depends of the dosis you're used to take.

To be drunk makes you twat when you're wasted.

Many joints makes you vegetables when you're fuckin' high.

So believe me, i quit smoking and drinking to do E from time to time.

And it's way more enjoying, happy and i def' don't need anymore of this stuff mentionned above.

No trouble in waking up and no pb with alcool controls after disco.

No booze, no pot, be healthy "JUST DO E"
Cya'

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Originally posted by LoginZ No booze, no pot, be healthy "JUST DO E" Cya'

WHOA HO! i dont think thats what were getting at here. you can spout about dangers and damages without considering E too. just because it doesnt 'seem' dangerous doesnt mean its safe. E is a relatively new drug to the scene and has little research completed. most researchers say that it could possibly lead to holes in your brain. now i have rolled, and may do so again - but the prospects of that outcome always stay with me. sure it may not be true, but if it is do YOU want to find out?

i think pot is a little different from your average drug because:
a)its natural, sure so is tobacco, but there arent 400 other chemicals added to it to make it more addictive.
b)its not very addictive. people may choose to use it frequently but this is more of a preference than necessity.
c)you cant overdose. sure, you can still get cancer, but at least you have bongs to filter the smoke!

beyond that, its just one of the most stigmatized drugs out there. it seems strange that that all comes from the 20s when people thot it would make you a violent rapist...and at the end of it all:

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Originally posted by torontotrance Join the discussion.......

i would be interested to see what you think tta- assuming you feel like 'discussing'. late/

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Originally posted by torontotrance Join the discussion.......jddark and tta are at two different pts of view. I think smoking pot is for ppl who lack something in their lives and make it up with temporary pleasure. JDDARK believes that ppl who do it, just do it because they like it. So the argument ensues....your opinions please.

I think both of your opinions are right imo. People do indulge in things to satisfy or fulfill something within. People will also smoke pot, or drink alcohol just for the heck of it, either for fun, enjoyment, or because they are chillin with their buddies.

Personally i dont smoke weed or drugs or alcohol because it messes up your brain. There is proof of this, but im not going to go find it.

As for other people, they can do whatever they want in MODERATION.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox I think both of your opinions are right imo. People do indulge in things to satisfy or fulfill something within. People will also smoke pot, or drink alcohol just for the heck of it, either for fun, enjoyment, or because they are chillin with their buddies. Personally i dont smoke weed or drugs or alcohol because it messes up your brain. There is proof of this, but im not going to go find it. As for other people, they can do whatever they want in MODERATION.

Its cool that you choose not to do anything like alcohol,drugs,smoking etc... But I have to mention that alcohol in moderation is actually quite healthy for you.

It would take a fair bit of continuous weed smoking for quite a long time to really have any effect on your brain. The damage is so minute that its not something to be concerned about, it takes a long time for any noticeable damage to occur.

I just had to state that because people say "because it destroy's my brain" without really knowing why they say this.

Everything we do in life has consequences, if you eat certain foods you damage your heart, stomach, digestive system, etc... People use prescription medicines, over the counter meds and many of them are very harmfull.

We could stick to eating extremely healthy foods, breathe purified air, live in a house with padded walls, ceiling, etc...

But what fun is life if we can't enjoy it, people that never drink tell drinkers that they don't need it to have fun, but how do you know unless you try right?

I'm all for people not drinking and all that, honestly I can respect it, but strangely enough I only respect people that have tried drinking and decide its not for them

I know that sounds bad, but its with so many things in life, if you don't ever experience the thrills that life offers I think you are missing out.

But don't go out trying crack and heroin

Yeah my main point is that we ALL indulge in something to pass time or make life more enjoyable in general. Just because you lack experience, are scared, or choose not to doesnt necessarily make it wrong for someone else...late/

E is a bad drug with a good reputation.

Weed is a good drug with a bad reputation.


When I say that weed is a good drug, I don't mean that smoking it is healthy. Smoking anything is terribly unhealthy, but the beneficial compounds can be extracted using other methods.

I must agree with the argument that 'stoners' smoke it to pass the time. A friend of mine used to be a huge stoner until he started a job where he was working 50+ hours a week. The irony is, before, he had lots of time and no money because he smoked weed all the time, now he has no time and lots of money.

One of the more sinister effects of weed, though, is that it leads to other drugs. I believe that weed is often a gateway drug. I've seen it happen many times.

Overall though, everything in moderation.

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Originally posted by zarathustra E is a bad drug with a good reputation. Weed is a good drug with a bad reputation. When I say that weed is a good drug, I don't mean that smoking it is healthy. Smoking anything is terribly unhealthy, but the beneficial compounds can be extracted using other methods. I must agree with the argument that 'stoners' smoke it to pass the time. A friend of mine used to be a huge stoner until he started a job where he was working 50+ hours a week. The irony is, before, he had lots of time and no money because he smoked weed all the time, now he has no time and lots of money. One of the more sinister effects of weed, though, is that it leads to other drugs. I believe that weed is often a gateway drug. I've seen it happen many times. Overall though, everything in moderation.

Please don't say weed is a gateway drug, its just dumb logic. This is what was said in the 30's when the first drug czar blamed weed for heroin addicts.

Statistics constantly show that weed does not lead to hard drug use. If any of you have taken any science classes you'll know that you can't assume because water is drank by everyone that it leads to people drinking too much... There is NO logic to it.

A simple way to put it, have most heroin users used weed, yes. Did weed turn them into heroin, NO. Guaranteed people who went towards heroin or other hard drugs is because they are messed up to begin with, maybe alcholism etc...

But no way in hell is Weed a gateway drug, this is one of the oldest myths and we have loads of evidence done by the US government to show that to be false.

Just to make my point clear again, if I said alcohol was a gateway drug, would you agree? Hell no, but its very likely that anyone who does weed has drank before, same with heroin users.

I can't stand false logic, its very irritating.

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Originally posted by Thor A simple way to put it, have most heroin users used weed, yes. Did weed turn them into heroin, NO. Guaranteed people who went towards heroin or other hard drugs is because they are messed up to begin with, maybe alcholism etc... But no way in hell is Weed a gateway drug, this is one of the oldest myths and we have loads of evidence done by the US government to show that to be false. Just to make my point clear again, if I said alcohol was a gateway drug, would you agree? Hell no, but its very likely that anyone who does weed has drank before, same with heroin users. I can't stand false logic, its very irritating.

yeah nice point. i do think that in a small way, due to the govts classification of marijuana that it could be considered. by its being a Shedule 2(i think) drug in the US, and being criminally charged as seriously as more dangerous drugs is the problem. people that try pot, thot it was the devil, realize its not that bad - then try coke or heroin thinking that the govt was wrong about bud, so the other drugs arent bad at all! thats just my scheme that i concocted, likely while high. hoonaner/

I remember in the Toronto Forum we had a good discussion RE: "E" but it got nuked in the website holocaust a few weeks back.
E is totally different subject altogether.
My thoughts are completely different when it comes to E.
Why?
I guess I'm a granola-head type in that I would trust something most grown out of the ground than something manufacurered by who knows who ie.some crackhead's basement who might like putting fillers in and God knows what else...
I dunno, maybe growing up in the mountains of B.C. being a forest child made me biased that way...

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Originally posted by torontotrance Join the discussion.......jddark and tta are at two different pts of view. I think smoking pot is for ppl who lack something in their lives and make it up with temporary pleasure. JDDARK believes that ppl who do it, just do it because they like it. So the argument ensues....your opinions please.

I personally think its for high school kids. But when I goto Amsterdam I usually smoke some hash. I dont see anything wrong with it or smokeng it, I just think its childish I have some friends that still smoke weed. Its been awhile since the last time I smoked... About.. a year ago

I'm high right now.

Let me say, I do pot occasionally, once to twice a month.

It's a very enjoyable activity, that is even more fun when you only do it once in a while.

I don't think it's because I lack something in my life, rather it is a way to experience new feelings, emotions, and ideas. It opens you up creatively.

Of course if you go overboard, you can become mentally dependent on weed. So you gotta be careful.

1 Thing:

COME TO HOLLAND!!

I'll explain it to ya then.

JDdark is right because he lives next door so he knows

As long as ppl are happy. they aint weak minded. just the ppl who abuse it not use it.

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Originally posted by zarathustra E is a bad drug with a good reputation. Weed is a good drug with a bad reputation. Overall though, everything in moderation.

Weed is a herb isnt it? At least you can grow it right? Like a plant (cannibis) (but i guess its classified as a drug) Unlike E which you have to make out of icky chemicals.

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Originally posted by !_PeTrUs_! 1 Thing: COME TO HOLLAND!! I'll explain it to ya then. JDdark is right because he lives next door so he knows

Isnt prostituion and drug use legal?

Well to even ask if smoking pot is "weak minded" seems weak minded if you ask me. Cannibus has been shown to be extremely useful for pain management, and in controlling many terminal illnesses. Medically - aside from the tar and little nasties - its probably safer then candy. It definitely does not make you weak minded to smoke it, however this is not to be said that weakminded people smoke pot, there is a clear difference. Some of the worlds most profound intellects and builders have smoked cannibus or done other drugs on a regular basis. When used properly drugs can be a mind expanding aide... however I agree that all too often drugs are used to escape problems we would all just forget about.

About the e - don't be an idiot that stuff is far worse on the long term than the high is. e = ghetto drug

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Originally posted by Thor Please don't say weed is a gateway drug, its just dumb logic. This is what was said in the 30's when the first drug czar blamed weed for heroin addicts. Statistics constantly show that weed does not lead to hard drug use. If any of you have taken any science classes you'll know that you can't assume because water is drank by everyone that it leads to people drinking too much... There is NO logic to it. A simple way to put it, have most heroin users used weed, yes. Did weed turn them into heroin, NO. Guaranteed people who went towards heroin or other hard drugs is because they are messed up to begin with, maybe alcholism etc... But no way in hell is Weed a gateway drug, this is one of the oldest myths and we have loads of evidence done by the US government to show that to be false. Just to make my point clear again, if I said alcohol was a gateway drug, would you agree? Hell no, but its very likely that anyone who does weed has drank before, same with heroin users. I can't stand false logic, its very irritating.

Every 'hard' drug user I know has progressed from alcohol to weed to hard drugs. I understand how the 'gateway drug' label is circumstantial. I don't think that weed causes hard drug use. I do think that it is a stepping stone of sorts to further drug abuse though.

Like you said, most heroin users have tried weed, but how many heroin users would have tried heroin in the first place had they never smoked weed?

asd

ppl can do whatever they want to.
smokin weed ,which is far less dangerous than drinking alcohol, is not for weak minded ppl only

i dont smoke anything , and i dont do any drugs at all, but i still think that any other drugs than weed are f00ked.
they are f00king up the scene's reputation when ppl (specially young ppl [14-17 years old] are getting caught on housepartys and etc with "e"/xtc and other mda/mdma containings drugs and etc)
this is what the media wants.. they want to f00k us (seems like it, well.. in norway it does), and its not helping that more and more ppl are actually using it.


just my point of view.. dont flame me for it


greetZ!!

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Originally posted by torontotrance Join the discussion.......jddark and tta are at two different pts of view. I think smoking pot is for ppl who lack something in their lives and make it up with temporary pleasure. JDDARK believes that ppl who do it, just do it because they like it. So the argument ensues....your opinions please.

well i dont smoke pot, heck i dont even smoke. i dont see and pros or cons for it really. i mean its just like smoking as normal cigarette as far as im concerned, although i reckon it smells nicer (but definatly NOT nice!). but the thing i hate is peopel who do it because they think its cool. grrr wannabe's. it does my nut in big time.

and i noticed a few comments about it being less dangerous than alcohol? well yeh in escence, alcohol is more dangerous than most drugs in class B i think so anyway. its even more dangerous than the old Jimmyy Hills. but weed is addictive, and more expensive than cigarettes so it kinda changes when that comes into context. like coke, i dont think anybody wud give too much of a rats arse about that stuff if it was addictive and expensive as fuck now would they...

me personally, id do most things for a laugh (as a few of you already know) but if i saw sumthing was really not worth it i wudnt bother with it, like in my case weed/smoking. specially seeing as i cant really take smoek in my lungs coz it makes my bronchioles contract. so for me those things outway the pros by a mile, and the fact i havnt had enough for it to be addictive to me or there is no pros. whereas for some other people there is. so in the end do what ya want, as long as its not GHB!!!

EDIT: i jsut noticed sumthin hanous mentioned above. i hate this crap about gateways drugs, if u really wanna do summat u do it, if ur wise enuf to see its not worth it (if it is indeed not worth it) then you wouldnt do it... i dont see all the pot somking peopel i know shootin up on smack in a few years time do you? i see the gateway theory is probably created peopel who havnt even experienced drugs, so i migth as well jsut not bother. goodnight.

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Originally posted by zarathustra Every 'hard' drug user I know has progressed from alcohol to weed to hard drugs. I understand how the 'gateway drug' label is circumstantial. I don't think that weed causes hard drug use. I do think that it is a stepping stone of sorts to further drug abuse though. Like you said, most heroin users have tried weed, but how many heroin users would have tried heroin in the first place had they never smoked weed?

Smoking weed does not cause people to do heroin, there is nothing about smoking weed that makes people more likely to do heroin, in fact I will get some statistics done by the US government themselves that shows just that.

You honestly believe that if weed did not exist that people would not try heroin?

Weed is not a gateway drug. Just because most murderers wore pants, doesn't mean pants cause murder.

if you ask questions like is smoking pot for weak minded people, you might as well open it up to is drinkin for weak minded people. i think if you want to have fun, and that is the way you want to do it, then it isnt for the weak minded, only if maybe you smoke out everyday, you might be weak minded, because it is kind of like you cant live without it, but then again, fi everytime you want to have fun you do it, you are also weak minded, i smoke out but not everysingle time i want to have fun

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Originally posted by torontotrance Is smoking pot for weak minded ppl?

Well, not according to all of the doctors, lawyers, politicians, artists, musicians, etc., that use it!

Anyway, it doesn't MAKE you stupid either!

http://www.jhu.edu/~newslett/09-16-99/Science/5.html

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Originally posted by zarathustra Every 'hard' drug user I know has progressed from alcohol to weed to hard drugs. I understand how the 'gateway drug' label is circumstantial. I don't think that weed causes hard drug use. I do think that it is a stepping stone of sorts to further drug abuse though. Like you said, most heroin users have tried weed, but how many heroin users would have tried heroin in the first place had they never smoked weed?

Alright, I retract my gateway drug statement.

just cause u do a bit of weed mdont meen shit.

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