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Ferry Corsten killed it, of course!

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Originally posted by AndreaCKY772 can i just please ask this? to those that think trance is supposedly dead, can you please state some of your favorite artits? thanks so much.

Oh god...
You suck so much

Many of the fans who give too much importance to radio shows *cough* ASOT *cough* which give them more popularity and aren't digging out more styles.

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Originally posted by AndreaCKY772 can i just please ask this? to those that think trance is supposedly dead, can you please state some of your favorite artits? thanks so much.

Leama & Moor
Probspot
Second Sun
Schulz
Signum

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Originally posted by sljiva Oh god... You suck so much

thank you very much. that means so much to me.

Oakey abandoned trance before it died. So he's not a suspect.

everyone has different tastes because everyone tastes different.

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Originally posted by Muff2K everyone has different tastes because everyone tastes different.

some people have horrible tastes

The question has different meaning to different people. Some people consider the bloated, baroque heights of epic trance in 1999 to have already killed the genre, whereas others believe trance died merely when epic went wrong. I think the latter.

You can't point at any one person, but some are more culpable than others.

His earlier work notwithstanding, I think Armin is most to blame for the collapse. He was widely considered the future of trance in 2001, but he took the sound further into pop music than ever before, and supported a new generation of mediocre producers to finish the job. His embarrassing remix of Seven Cities was the beginning of the end, followed by the horrifying 76. As soon as I heard Burned With Desire, I knew it was over.

The Gabriel & Dresden fad of 2003 also played a huge part, which soon formed into the twinkle prog sound of Miami and Schulz. As if things couldn't get any worse, McProg and Armin joined forces into a single Evil Empire, embodied by Armada and Andy Moor. Most people know the sad story from there.

Tiesto was the third major actor in the fall, but I don't think he could have achieved the cult he did without the efforts of Armin to steer trance into the "State" it was by 2003. Just Be came out well after Burned With Desire, As The Rush Comes, and a few dozen awful Armada releases. It's easy to pick on Tiesto, but I think he was just following money. With Armin, I have no similar explanation. He had the talent, he had the background, he had the vision, but he threw it all away. I've never understood it.

Paul van Dyk probably has more blame at his feet than Tiesto. Paul could have easily continued to push a solid sound and retained a devoted fan base, but instead he went on an increasingly commerical tangent. Why? Money? I never understood his betrayal either.

trance is dead , electronica lives on.

Colonel Mustard, in the Library, with the Lead Pipe.

I think there should be a sticky in huge 72px font called "Don't Make "Trance is Dead" threads"


Oh and I think the sound of "trance" died over time. Trance itself didn't die, just the initial sound everyone knew died. A.K.A artists following a fad or losing interest in trying to make an effort at making good music.

It's hard to link 1 artist to it.

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Originally posted by Cobalt The question has different meaning to different people. Some people consider the bloated, baroque heights of epic trance in 1999 to have already killed the genre, whereas others believe trance died merely when epic went wrong. I think the latter. You can't point at any one person, but some are more culpable than others. His earlier work notwithstanding, I think Armin is most to blame for the collapse. He was widely considered the future of trance in 2001, but he took the sound further into pop music than ever before, and supported a new generation of mediocre producers to finish the job. His embarrassing remix of Seven Cities was the beginning of the end, followed by the horrifying 76. As soon as I heard Burned With Desire, I knew it was over. The Gabriel & Dresden fad of 2003 also played a huge part, which soon formed into the twinkle prog sound of Miami and Schulz. As if things couldn't get any worse, McProg and Armin joined forces into a single Evil Empire, embodied by Armada and Andy Moor. Most people know the sad story from there. Tiesto was the third major actor in the fall, but I don't think he could have achieved the cult he did without the efforts of Armin to steer trance into the "State" it was by 2003. Just Be came out well after Burned With Desire, As The Rush Comes, and a few dozen awful Armada releases. It's easy to pick on Tiesto, but I think he was just following money. With Armin, I have no similar explanation. He had the talent, he had the background, he had the vision, but he threw it all away. I've never understood it. Paul van Dyk probably has more blame at his feet than Tiesto. Paul could have easily continued to push a solid sound and retained a devoted fan base, but instead he went on an increasingly commerical tangent. Why? Money? I never understood his betrayal either.

So without armin, tiesto and pvd there cannot be any trance? What a load of bs.

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Originally posted by SMC So without armin, tiesto and pvd there cannot be any trance? What a load of bs.

No, that's not quite what I'm saying. Any scene is composed of many producers and labels, which collectively determine the movement of the style. But the direction of almost every well-developed scene is shaped by certain powerful entities at the top, which lesser names take cues from. Armin, Tiesto, and Paul van Dyk could have prevented the demise of trance if they wanted to. But they apparently didn't want to.

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Originally posted by Muff2K everyone has different tastes because everyone tastes different.

Hmmmm.... then I'm guessin you taste like shit

when the big name artists started trying to break in to the american market

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Originally posted by Cobalt No, that's not quite what I'm saying. Any scene is composed of many producers and labels, which collectively determine the movement of the style. But the direction of almost every well-developed scene is shaped by certain powerful entities at the top, which lesser names take cues from. Armin, Tiesto, and Paul van Dyk could have prevented the demise of trance if they wanted to. But they apparently didn't want to.

The "demise of trance" is something invented by people obsessed with armin, tiesto and pvd.

clubs killed trance, when they started doing massives and wrangling people up in giant convention centers, telling them they can't bring their own food inside, and charging 3 dollars for a bottle of water, and 8 dollars for beer!

I always thought Ferry killed trance cos someone posted that before.. but recently I heard his album LEF and I don't think he could have killed it. He dosent have that bend of mind.

People killed trance when they started calling house as trance.

Darude




lol

i really really wonder about everybody yellin uh aah trance dead.. uhm, what about the thing:

music develops?

trance came into life.. 1990 ? it grew up and it just changed, all the times, it split up into variations, and thats it. people all over the world listen to different music tastes, and as media changed people have access to far more things, like in internet variety of music spreaded so much!!!!

music developed, people had chance to listen to more styles of music, all music style dies in these opinions, but the point is just, that it develops and changes, just like every other music style does!

1st people hear some kind of new music, give it a style name, djs drop new sort of the music, the music gets alive? then it develops, djs jump into other kinds of music, and the music dies? no it doesnt, its just changing and support is lower, but thats it.

fuck off telling trance died, it doesnt and did not, no music ever dies, it stays alive, even classic is alive, because people still produce "classic" piano music with orchester.. my oh my, you guys telling trance is dead have NO fucking idea of nothing, just fuck the hell up, go to hawaii and chill there listen to hula hula music and thats it.

grr... really, think a little. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Here is the truth: Trance is in a trance where it thinks it is dead.

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Originally posted by SMC The "demise of trance" is something invented by people obsessed with armin, tiesto and pvd.

Hmm, that's certainly not what my attempts to find decent trance in record stores has informed me. What labels with the strength and innovation of the late 90s can you suggest from the past five years? Because I can't think of any.

Starting in late 2002, it seems to me that material became more and more difficult to find as it was progressively replaced by toss from Armada and Anjunabeats.

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Originally posted by Muhcow fuck off telling trance died, it doesnt and did not, no music ever dies, it stays alive, even classic is alive, because people still produce "classic" piano music with orchester.. my oh my, you guys telling trance is dead have NO fucking idea of nothing, just fuck the hell up, go to hawaii and chill there listen to hula hula music and thats it.

You still don't get it?
Trance is not dead literally. Trance is dead because it stoped evolving, the creativity is gone and the producers who are doing something innovative and fresh are very rare and lost in a sea of crappiness. That's more than enough for some people to declare it's dead.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Hmm, that's certainly not what my attempts to find decent trance in record stores has informed me. What labels with the strength and innovation of the late 90s can you suggest from the past five years? Because I can't think of any. Starting in late 2002, it seems to me that material became more and more difficult to find as it was progressively replaced by toss from Armada and Anjunabeats.

Digital Structures and Joof Recordings are examples if you're looking for fairly established labels. Personally i don't care much for labels unless they have a history of releasing mainly stuff i like. But labels come and go, perhaps more today than ever before, new labels pop up, some may not have released enough records to build a solid reputation. Many times i like a release on a label but don't care much for other releases on the same label. Labels are important but not nearly as important as the artists.

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