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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Really? What about the Greeks? Borders are hardly a 'new' thing And sorry but you can't blame Bush for that...

are you stupid? don't know Bush is the descendant Genghis Khan and Hitler?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid hey that wasn't so bad. I mean at least they didn't shoot him and then stick their fingers in his wounds. That would have been bad and this wouldn't have happened had he not thrown rocks at them. His fault.

JESUS
if this happened in ur country
The WHOLE MASS MEDIA 'll f**k them immediately

but do u know why not inthis case:Aparthide & Discrimination

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Originally posted by Krypton Not Israelian, but "ISRAELI". Blown up body parts in the middle of a crowded city street isn't funny either.

Aparthide & Discrimination when
they eager ur body violantly as a human sheild of them

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Human Rights Council Report Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories From The Voltairenet Non Aligned Press Network

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UN:Israel must stop discrimination against Arabs, Palestinians http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/835392.html

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Oh please, not that horseshit propaganda again. MAJORITY OF THE NON-WESTERN WORLD WAS NEVER DIVIDED INTO NATION STATES AND THE BORDERS WERE DRAWN UP BY BRITISH, SPANISH, AND FRENCH COLONISTS! I GUESS THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD IS THE POPERTY OF THREE STATES THEN?!?! THE JEWS WERE EXILED BY THE BYZANTINIANS AND ROMANS, NOT THE ARAB WHO'D ALWAYS BEEN IN THE REGION HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS ISRAEL/PALESTINE, BEFORE AND AFTER THE JEWS WERE EXILED! Oh, and great source there LOL .

Merely criticizing a source of information is not a legitimate argument proving it false. I could laugh at the extremely bias Palestine.org, but I know there is some truth in what is written on that site.

The article I quoted states the following arguments:

1. The land of Israel was originally occupied by Philistines. Philistines and Palestinians are not the same people. There are no Philistines alive today. Therefore, the oldest people to claim Israel as an ancestoral homeland are the Jews.

2. Palestinians have never governed themselves on this land until Arafat (who was Egyptian). This argument is not limiting itself to the post-colonization by Europeans, but dating back forever. I know your little map only goes back to 1946, but try digging further back in history. If the article is wrong, who were the kings / rulers of Palestine?

Lastly, I'll end with a fact embraced by Arabs. Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham, so they are all Hebrew.

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Originally posted by spiflicated Merely criticizing a source of information is not a legitimate argument proving it false. I could laugh at the extremely bias Palestine.org, but I know there is some truth in what is written on that site. The article I quoted states the following arguments: 1. The land of Israel was originally occupied by Philistines. Philistines and Palestinians are not the same people. There are no Philistines alive today. Therefore, the oldest people to claim Israel as an ancestoral homeland are the Jews. 2. Palestinians have never governed themselves on this land until Arafat (who was Egyptian). This argument is not limiting itself to the post-colonization by Europeans, but dating back forever. I know your little map only goes back to 1946, but try digging further back in history. If the article is wrong, who were the kings / rulers of Palestine? Lastly, I'll end with a fact embraced by Arabs. Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham, so they are all Hebrew.

2. Arafat was the child of two palestinian parents, he was born in Cairo but he was not Egyptian. Get your facts straight.

3. That's why it's called semitic. But that doesn't add to your other arguments.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 2. Arafat was the child of two palestinian parents, he was born in Cairo but he was not Egyptian. Get your facts straight.

You're right, and that is something the article I quoted left out. While Arafat was an Egyptian citizen, his parents were Palestinian.

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3. That's why it's called semitic. But that doesn't add to your other arguments.

That was the only comment that was mine. It was a half-hearted attempt at, "Can't we all just get along?" Not really part of the argument.

Edit - which is why I did not have a point number "3" in the previous post. Just a little sarcasm.

Clearly there is disputed ownership here. The right thing to do would be to split the land down the middle, but that will never happen until Palestinians show they can be peaceful. Every time a suicide bomber or a rocket kills Israelis, the Palestinians dig their hole deeper. I'm saying this from the perspective of a Jew, I know this is how many Jews think. You might disagree with the logic here, but it is still the case. If Palestinians want 1/2 of Israel instead of the minute percentage they now posses, they need to be peaceful, simple as that. Even then it will take many years, maybe decades, to get that 1/2 of Israel, can they be that patient? Can they not resort to violence? I realize there are atrocities on both sides, but those must be ignored by people who want to progress forward. Not all Palestinians are suicide bombers, not all Israelis are racial profiling warmongers.

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Originally posted by M.Johan JESUS if this happened in ur country The WHOLE MASS MEDIA 'll f**k them immediately but do u know why not inthis case:Aparthide & Discrimination Aparthide & Discrimination when they eager ur body violantly as a human sheild of them

??? AND ??? What's your point?

Then they are going to fight over who gets which half.

I agree with you Dopey, to some extent. However, Arafat was offered the best deal, with the most amount of land ever offered by Israel. Which, to appease the militant Palestinians, he rejected, as it did not include the right of return. Israel will never include the right of return in any agreement with the Palestinians. And this is a big reason why Palestinians continue to refuse to accept land for peace deals.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Did you have the same reaction when Nazi'a were persecuting the Jews, Socialists, Communists, political dissenters, Gypsies, or any non-aryan non-comformist?

I'd hit the teen too if he was throwing stones in my direction.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I'd hit the teen too if he was throwing stones in my direction.

Jesus that is what i said. These liberal punks don't know sh!t.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I'd hit the teen too if he was throwing stones in my direction.

Although, it is kind of funny every time you see some Palestinian kid throwing rocks at an Israeli tank.

Still, I'd slap him, too.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I'd hit the teen too if he was throwing stones in my direction.

If you would have read the article, you would have found that the soldiers were INVESTIGATING rock throwing. The boy also mentioned his beating from a week prior and how he feared another.

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The youth, Hindawi Qawarik, told Ynet that at about 12:30 pm Wednesday, he and his friends were leaving school when they noticed a Border Guard jeep not far from them. "I told my friends that if we pass near them, they'll hit us like they did a few weeks ago," he said. The policemen approached the youths and questioned them regarding a stone-throwing incident that took place earlier. They then decided to detain three of the teens for further questioning. Hindawi was one of those three. "I pretended not to hear them and kept walking, because I could still remember the beating I got last week. But one cop chased me. When I saw that he was after me I halted. He dragged me back to the direction of the jeep, and when we got there he pushed me and pinned me to the wall, so that no one will be able to see what they were doing to me."

Yeah, this is real justice:

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"I kept screaming: I haven't done anything, you can check my ID." Hindawi said that one of the policemen tried to persuade the others to stop, "but they just ignored him and kept on hitting me." According to the teen, one of the policemen also took books out of his school bag and tore some of them apart. Then they released him, not before "a few more slaps and punches." Hindawi's account has been verified by an eyewitness.

Sounds like they just wanted to invoke violence, regardless if it was the people who were throwing rocks or not.

Before you spew out your ignorance, perhaps you should look at this a little more objectively. But then again, you probably have a love Israel and hate the rest complex going on.

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime Before you spew out your ignorance, perhaps you should look at this a little more objectively. But then again, you probably have a love Israel and hate the rest complex going on.

I'm as guilty as Jake, because I said I would slap the kid, too. But for the record, you aren't exactly looking at this objectively either. It isn't entirely improbable that this kid was throwing rocks at the IDF.

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Originally posted by spiflicated I'm as guilty as Jake, because I said I would slap the kid, too. But for the record, you aren't exactly looking at this objectively either. It isn't entirely improbable that this kid was throwing rocks at the IDF.

I realize that that type of behaviour happens all the time, but there is NO EVIDENCE in this article that those kids did anything of the sort. And having an eye witness to confirm the violence caused to these children does not help the situation for the police.

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime I realize that that type of behaviour happens all the time, but there is NO EVIDENCE in this article that those kids did anything of the sort. And having an eye witness to confirm the violence caused to these children does not help the situation for the police.

I've been properly scolded.

However, this kid was one of three that was held for questioning. The Israelis did have some interest in further questioning of him. At least he was not questioned as our own President Bush would let the CIA question him.

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime I realize that that type of behaviour happens all the time, but there is NO EVIDENCE in this article that those kids did anything of the sort. And having an eye witness to confirm the violence caused to these children does not help the situation for the police.

Guys I wouldn't trust an article from a media source as far as I could throw it.

Depending on who wrote the article the kid could be doing anything from sitting down having tea, minding his own business to being right out there throwing cinder blocks.

All I'm saying is, be mindful of the source.

...and no, I don't know the source for which this particular article was written however it's a common trap to believe news sources as trustworthy.

I think most of us regulars have been caught up in it at one time or another...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Depending on who wrote the article the kid could be doing anything from sitting down having tea, minding his own business to being right out there throwing cinder blocks.

Couldn't agree more!

The Israeli investigation in ongoing and I have not found a source with border guard's side of the story, yet. All I can find at the moment is that they held this kid and two others for questioning (having some probable cause).

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No one would be blowing up themselves or anyone else there if a bunch of assholes didn't decide to force them out of their own ancestoral homeland to begin with. Did you go around bullying and punching kids in the face and complain about a repose to it back in school aswell?

Oh okay. So blowing up themselves or others is totally justified then, right? Why don't you read up on gay culture and the slew of torture, abuse, and murders that follow throughout history and still today. Then try to find me ONE f@g that blew himself up. Just one. Better yet, try to find one Jew who blew his or herself up during the holocaust.

Being forced out of one's homeland is destructive and I can't argue against that. But blowing yourself up or others in protest just shows that you were a low-life self-destructive ass with no purpose to begin with.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Oh okay. So blowing up themselves or others is totally justified then, right? Why don't you read up on gay culture and the slew of torture, abuse, and murders that follow throughout history and still today. Then try to find me ONE f@g that blew himself up. Just one. Better yet, try to find one Jew who blew his or herself up during the holocaust. Being forced out of one's homeland is destructive and I can't argue against that. But blowing yourself up or others in protest just shows that you were a low-life self-destructive ass with no purpose to begin with.

I'm sorry but I must have missed where these kids blew themselves up. We are not discussing suicide bombers, we are discussing a group of children that were beaten for no apparent reason. Reading comprehension, my friend. And what the fuck does being homosexual have to do with anything? Do you think you are better than them? I think you forget that everyone is a HUMAN BEING and doesn't deserve to be treated like this, regardless of who they are.

Do you honestly think that Jews and gays are the only ones that have been treated poorly throughout history?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Guys I wouldn't trust an article from a media source as far as I could throw it. Depending on who wrote the article the kid could be doing anything from sitting down having tea, minding his own business to being right out there throwing cinder blocks. All I'm saying is, be mindful of the source. ...and no, I don't know the source for which this particular article was written however it's a common trap to believe news sources as trustworthy. I think most of us regulars have been caught up in it at one time or another...

Alright, so you must believe that both the witness and the children were lying. What is the point of reading any news if they can't be trusted? It's all a conspiracy...OMG MY HEAD IS SPINNINGINGINGING!

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime Alright, so you must believe that both the witness and the children were lying.

Yes, of course they lied!

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime Alright, so you must believe that both the witness and the children were lying. What is the point of reading any news if they can't be trusted? It's all a conspiracy...OMG MY HEAD IS SPINNINGINGINGING!

I gave no option towards the article at all.
It was a generalized statement regarding media.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I gave no option towards the article at all. It was a generalized statement regarding media.

this's ur opinion......

Doesn't ignore The UN International Human Rights reports

or the American governmental reports

or the other Non Allied Human Rights orginzations

in Occupied Palastine

Which Defines who is the source of terrorism, WHICH defines for the confirmation and the contending of the Israeli depredation & violation practices against Palestinians every time.

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime I'm sorry but I must have missed where these kids blew themselves up. We are not discussing suicide bombers, we are discussing a group of children that were beaten for no apparent reason. Reading comprehension, my friend.

Shaolin_Z was talking about people who do blow themselves up. He was the one who went mildly off topic and I followed. Don't make it look like I went off topic. That's thoroughly ANNOYING.

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And what the fuck does being homosexual have to do with anything? Do you think you are better than them?

It's a comparison you coconut. And of course gays are better. They don't discriminate nearly as much. Maybe the Palestinians can learn.

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I think you forget that everyone is a HUMAN BEING and doesn't deserve to be treated like this, regardless of who they are.

I think you forget that some human beings are WORSE THAN others and don't deserve sympathy when they retaliate a certain crime with worse crime.

If someone steals all your valuables and then you murder them, are you going to explain to the judge, "Have pity on me. For they stole first and that justified my murderous rampage." ?

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Do you honestly think that Jews and gays are the only ones that have been treated poorly throughout history?

Do you honestly think that Palestinians can deal with their poor treatment without blowing shit up?

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Originally posted by M.Johan this's ur opinion...... Doesn't ignore The UN International Human Rights reports or the American governmental reports or the other Non Allied Human Rights orginzations in Occupied Palastine Which Defines who is the source of terrorism, WHICH defines for the confirmation and the contending of the Israeli depredation & violation practices against Palestinians every time.

There's a big difference between official reports and someone scrawling an opinion in a local rag...and that btw was my point

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