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Re: Europe likes it hard, America likes it soft?
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd You may think of Holland and the UK, for instance, as "cradles of trance", but in fact Hardstyle is immensely popular in both of these countries |
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd This is a sufficiently interesting topic that I'd like to bump it up and get some more comments. It's funny because, if you think about sports for instance, Americans prefer a lot of "action" sports like football, and look down on soccer (European football) as too "soft" or too slow. But it's the opposite with music. |
Whereas European movies are more mellow, less pyros in a way IMO. i bet they have their fare share of action movie as well, but not to the extent as us Americans. does anyone else see it this way????
deathcore
I will admit that the house over here isn't as intense as say, Swedish, French, or German house. It sounds more relaxing and beachish... I don't know how to explain. Just listen to Mark Farina for the light American side.
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| Originally posted by Abhay Australias scene is mostly Hard Dance from my experience. Atleast in the cities I've lived in. Other than that, it's all commercial/poppy dance. |
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| Originally posted by sleepydragon deathcore |
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| Originally posted by m1kest4r the hardstyle/hard dance scene is quite large in australia. melbourne goes hardstyle mainly, sydney does hardstyle but lots of people up there listen to gabber/hardcore/insert other hard stuff. queensland (brisbane) is a bit of everything i think (havent really been up there). however by far the biggest scene is the electro house scene. think lots of dirty south, everywhere, every night. then multiply that by like 5 and you've got the majority of the scene down. trance is fairly dead down here, monthly club parties in melb/sydney + big events (festivals). festivals always sell well though so its more that people enjoy trance a few times a year rather than week in week out. definate focus on electro house though. |
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| Originally posted by Beat Blog . Pretty much anything over 145 BPM is a load of shit, and shouldn't be classified as music, as it has no thought behind it, other than to be "hard". |
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| Originally posted by Beat Blog Pretty much anything over 145 BPM is a load of shit, and shouldn't be classified as music, as it has no thought behind it, other than to be "hard". |
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| Originally posted by sleepydragon deathcore |
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| Originally posted by superglo except for psy / goa |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Well at least you're open minded and back up your arguments well. |
I never said I liked it. I'd just like to know how you know the music has no thought or effort put into it.
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| Originally posted by Beat Blog Correct. I'm ashamed that those scenes are big in Melbourne. Pretty much anything over 145 BPM is a load of shit, and shouldn't be classified as music, as it has no thought behind it, other than to be "hard". It is my firm belief that if party drugs had never been invented, gabber, hardcore, hardstyle, speedcore and all those other rubbish "genres" would not exist either; they only evolved in response to drugged up people wanting to hear faster music. Overdriven, square wave kick drums are pretty much the stupidest, most offensive sound I've ever heard. Oh, and to top it all off, the DJ/Producer names are always ridiculous too; "Dj Fistf*ck", "Angerfist", "Bass Machine" etc. *hides under flame proof blanket* |
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The "hey, like what you want to like" wasn't directed at you.
It was directed at the hardcore fans who will come into this thread and bite my heads off.
I explained why I think it has no thought behind it, but once again:
1. Tracks lack complexity. There are usually only two, maybe three percussive elements. If there is any complexity, it's drowned out by square wave kicks.
2. "Melodies" are often 5-6 notes repeating over and over for the whole song, with a slight variation at the end of a bar or phrase.
3. Build ups are almost never carefully constructed, just simple drum rolls that appear out of no where, and when the song "drops", it goes back to exactly where it was before, which brings me to my next point...
4. Tracks seem to lack progression. The first minute of tracks is often exactly the same as minute or two later. Breakdowns are never special, they usually just involve subtracting an element from the track.
5. If vocals are present, no attempt is usually made to obtain someone who can actually sing. If they can, the words themselves are cheesy and bland (I suppose this applies to happy hardcre more than other hard genres) examples: "get on up", "come on dj", "hands in the air".
6. Track to track, they are all fast and hard, which of course is the idea of the genre, however every genre should still have some tracks that are comparatively laid back, for earlier in the night or as a bridge between two big hits.
Besides all that, I just plain think the music sounds terrible. Most of the melodies sound like an amplified mosquito a or a child being hurt badly and screaming their lungs out.
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| Originally posted by wotyzoid well the statement that you made about the bpm range is completly close minded . |
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| Originally posted by Beat Blog 1. Tracks lack complexity. There are usually only two, maybe three percussive elements. If there is any complexity, it's drowned out by square wave kicks. 2. "Melodies" are often 5-6 notes repeating over and over for the whole song, with a slight variation at the end of a bar or phrase. 3. Build ups are almost never carefully constructed, just simple drum rolls that appear out of no where, and when the song "drops", it goes back to exactly where it was before, which brings me to my next point... 4. Tracks seem to lack progression. The first minute of tracks is often exactly the same as minute or two later. Breakdowns are never special, they usually just involve subtracting an element from the track. 5. If vocals are present, no attempt is usually made to obtain someone who can actually sing. If they can, the words themselves are cheesy and bland (I suppose this applies to happy hardcre more than other hard genres) examples: "get on up", "come on dj", "hands in the air". |
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| 6. Track to track, they are all fast and hard, which of course is the idea of the genre, however every genre should still have some tracks that are comparatively laid back, for earlier in the night or as a bridge between two big hits. |
I didn't know that the only genre with more than 145 bpm was hardcore.
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| Originally posted by Beat Blog Point taken, that is a sweeping generalization. I think Psy/Goa is pretty cool, and some really fast techno. I suppose I could say...gabber/hardcore techno, hardstyle, nu-nrg, hard nrg, uk hardcore, happy hardcore, speedcore, noizecore and basscore are all undesirable to my ears. Also I think hard house is pretty stupid, but there are some redeeming tracks in that genre. The hoover gets on my nerves after more than about thirty minutes. |
I dunno all you gotta do is go to a few LA wherehouse rave parties and see some freaky shit with hardstyle playing
Re: Re: Europe likes it hard, America likes it soft?
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| Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Funny that I live in the UK, and I think that's a load of shit. |
Also kinda bullshit since sensation white always sells out and black doesnt...
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| Originally posted by DJ Santino Also kinda bullshit since sensation white always sells out and black doesnt... |
From my exprience the UK likes all sorts it's not defined down too one exact genre of tempo of music. Hardstyle isn't big in the UK at all, but Hard House has always had a following, at the same time we have lot of clubs and events with more chilled relaxed music.
In general the UK caters for every musicial taste.
Even Gypsycore has a huge following here
The UK is a smaller sized country than the US, so genres with relatively small followings can flourish there, due to the fact that the entire Gabber community for Ex. can drive/hop a train to any part of the country quickly for that one Gabber event that's going on. In the US, if there's a Gabber party in say San Francisco, then all of us Americans on the east coast are going to miss out because its a lot harder to go across the country here than in the UK.
So...you guys over in the UK have a more diverse music scene by default, because its easier to cultivate a small following for whatever.
Beat Blog: Hardcore isn't THAT bad. Every style of music has its place, and I know if I ever get extremely hammered I want to go off to some Lisa Lashes type Hard House, and not Ambient
PS How do you dance to tracks around 1000BPM? Can CDJs even read 4-digit BPMs?
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