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Originally posted by jon jon lol

smart ass... i completely copied and pasted that, none of it was me writing it.

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Originally posted by Orko Cancer is old age. Deal with it. The human body has to die some how.

you normally are very intellegent in your comments....

...old age... yes... tell that to the cancer ward in sick kids hospital.

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Originally posted by MKpacha Link to official report from university of alberta New Scientist Article

I saw this a couple weeks ago as well...can't remember where. Amazing. I love pharmeceutical companies

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Originally posted by urban_legend If they did release this the world would get over populated and the old will get older........natural selection, let Darwin do his thing.

My Dad died a horrible death of cancer 2 years ago
I hope you fuck off and die you arrogant uncaring fuck

Oh noes it's the big bad PharmaCos! And you just know that Bush is behind it too!!

Alright folks, seriously, let's chill the fuck out. If this did cure cancer, who do you think would profit from it? That's right, the pharmaceutical companies, you dolts.

The fact is, all that's happened so far is that some researchers at a university did a few experiments and got some interesting results. Nobody else has duplicated those experiments yet, there haven't been any clinical tests or RCTs yet, and even in their preliminary conclusions they found that it could cure some types of cancer, not that it always cured all types of cancer. At best, it's not a universal cure, and at worst, the clinical trials could fail outright (as has already happened with previous "cures").

This is not to say we shouldn't be optimistic, but I'm struggling to understand the logic of flagellating the pharmaceutical companies because of a lack of media attention. You do know that nearly every journalist hates them too, right? And even if they didn't, how would it make a difference?

It hasn't gotten a ton of media attention yet because the findings aren't conclusive yet - for all they know, this could be another Cold Fusion. End of story.

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Originally posted by urban_legend If they did release this the world would get over populated and the old will get older........natural selection, let Darwin do his thing.

my grandfather died a few years ago at only 63 from cancer. And he went painfully.

I hope you fucking rot in hell you useless, ignorant FUCK!

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Originally posted by Orko Cancer is old age. Deal with it. The human body has to die some how.

NOO! IS not!

A friend of mine passed away recently from blood cancer. He was only 20 and took a year for him to die after he knew he had it.
Poor kid quited smoking 2 month before he figured about his condition.

Aside from that even newborn kids can have cancer. So a cure can change the face of the world significantly.

P.S I really hope the news is right and the drug is usefull.

i say on with overpopulation! someone needs to pay my pension

It needs proper toxicology testing. Alkyl halides such as this have been known to cause cancer and genetic damage.

Some of the studies don't sound promising at all:

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A randomized controlled trial in children with congenital lactic acidosis found that while DCA was well-tolerated, it was ineffective in improving clinical outcomes.[5] A separate trial of DCA in children with MELAS (a syndrome of inadequate mitochondrial function, leading to lactic acidosis) was halted early as 15 out of 15 of the children receiving DCA experienced significant nerve toxicity without any evidence of benefit from the medication.[6] A randomized controlled trial of DCA in adults with lactic acidosis found that while DCA lowered blood lactate levels, it had no clinical benefit and did not improve hemodynamics or survival.[7] Thus, while early case reports and pre-clinical data suggested that DCA might be effective for lactic acidosis, subsequent controlled trials have found no clinical benefit of DCA in this setting. In addition, clinical trial subjects were incapable of continuing on DCA as a study medication due to progressive toxicities.

In a petri dish it may look kind to normal cells and not to cancer cells, but all sorts of crazy shit probably happens when it actually gets into the body. Difluoroacetic acid might be a little safer, but I doubt it, as I said before halogenated alkyl chains tend to be dangerous.

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Originally posted by DigiNut

you're on fire today

techead, Cro_Addict, and extacy_bomb, really sorry to hear about your losses

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Originally posted by DigiNut Oh noes it's the big bad PharmaCos! And you just know that Bush is behind it too!! Alright folks, seriously, let's chill the fuck out. If this did cure cancer, who do you think would profit from it? That's right, the pharmaceutical companies, you dolts. The fact is, all that's happened so far is that some researchers at a university did a few experiments and got some interesting results. Nobody else has duplicated those experiments yet, there haven't been any clinical tests or RCTs yet, and even in their preliminary conclusions they found that it could cure some types of cancer, not that it always cured all types of cancer. At best, it's not a universal cure, and at worst, the clinical trials could fail outright (as has already happened with previous "cures"). This is not to say we shouldn't be optimistic, but I'm struggling to understand the logic of flagellating the pharmaceutical companies because of a lack of media attention. You do know that nearly every journalist hates them too, right? And even if they didn't, how would it make a difference? It hasn't gotten a ton of media attention yet because the findings aren't conclusive yet - for all they know, this could be another Cold Fusion. End of story.

exactly!

go big pharma!

(and give me a job)

lol I'm slow, but I'm actually including the article in my health care policy analysis essay (the original is from National Post, January 17th)

seen this on tv a while ago, look promising, but in very early stages.

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Originally posted by urban_legend If they did release this the world would get over populated and the old will get older........natural selection, let Darwin do his thing.

In theory...what he is saying is true, but of course we should do everything we can to save those who need help.

But just imagine if we did cure all diseases.

How overpopulated do you think the world would be? Just think about many 3rd world Countries. There would be such shortages of food and resources to take care of all of these people, that they even everyone would starve to death. There are already huge problems in Africa and in many other parts of the world where there is a significant scarcity of food and resources as it is with large death rates due to disease.

There would be total chaos.

I spoke to a family friend this weekend who is an oncologist. She said there have been no significant findings in the cancer treatment field that have peaked the interest of any hospitals or oncologists/associations recently. She concluded that this development is just like any other, with no special attention due, just like many have pointed out in this thread.

Oh well let's hope for the best...

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Originally posted by fayraree I spoke to a family friend this weekend who is an oncologist. She said there have been no significant findings in the cancer treatment field that have peaked the interest of any hospitals or oncologists/associations recently. She concluded that this development is just like any other, with no special attention due, just like many have pointed out in this thread. Oh well let's hope for the best...

well that's the problem! because instead of being so picky, they could give it a try

the problem is also that the drug containing the molecule ("cure" in question) does not have a patent, so they can't find funding to start the trials

www.wastedpage.com/Global_news.wmv

global news video about it

woah techhead..cro-addict..TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR!!

this wasn't a personal attack against you or your family, so relax. behaviour like yours should lead to suspensions. appalling

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Originally posted by spitty woah techhead..cro-addict..TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR!! this wasn't a personal attack against you or your family, so relax. behaviour like yours should lead to suspensions. appalling

I think it's normal for people to take certain statements very personally based on their own experiences with what's being said. If they feel hurt because someone didn't put enough thought into what they said, that person will get flamed just like everyone else on TA, albeit a very harsh personal flaming. However, the response was equal to how intense their reaction was, which, given the context, is understandable.

Okay I'm back to work...I'll stick to analyzing numbers.

I used to work at Sunnybrook in the cancer centre doing research, and my father is the head of radiation oncology there...so I have a little experience. The progression and approval of a drug for treatment is very long and slow...if they are showing initial progress on individual human cells for a few select cancers, that is great news...but it is a far cry for a "cure for cancer". There has to be years of clinical trials to show that the side effects are not worse than the treatment, and it would have to be approved by the regulating body. According to my dad, the system is going broke now with all the drugs it already have in action, the 2nd and 3rd line drugs which slow cancer for a few weeks but offer no hope of a cure. It can cost up of $10,000 for one treatment of chemotherapy, and one patient could need months of daily treatments with no possible cure as a result.

If it is as cheap to manufacture as the article states, that would be fantastic news. If it really is effective it will be recognized by pharmaceutical companies, someone needs to manufacture it in large doses under rigorous conditions, but maybe it would be more affordable for our healthcare system.

lets not be ignorant, drugs come out all the time, it usually takes about 2-3 years not 50

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Originally posted by emonster4life lets not be ignorant, drugs come out all the time, it usually takes about 2-3 years not 50

not true, you need to do all the toxicological testing on lower species, then randomized controlled double blind trials, plus an assload of paperwork and waiting for clinical/fda approval and peer review of your studies... most drugs it takes 5-10 years.

as other people have said, there's no point in staying alive too long, unless you'd like to wait until the age when the earth is overcrowded to the point where people are killing and eating eachother and everything is godawfully polluted. not that i don't have sympathy for people who are dying (my father is dying of brain cancer and my mother in law is dying of ovarian cancer, one of my friends is dying of lung cancer and another cervical cancer), but the reality is, we're all dying, some just quicker than others, and it's probably for the best. people just hate to admit that because they live their lives like there's going to be a million tomorrows, trying their hardest for the best jobs, trying to fuck the hottest people, trying to be famous, trying to buy the best car, trying to rebel against their impermanence, when in reality they need to be thinking of the future of the planet, not themselves.

in another hundred years being able to have children will be a luxury

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