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Originally posted by Provocative_boi whats your opinon on this? click here Whose telling the truth the forces or the locals?

support the troops right guys ?

all i know is when they fuck with Iran, shits gonna hit the fan and I will guarantee it will be chaos, not that its not now

Ahmadinejad is not a passive person...

I wasn't there so I don't know. Could be they really did try to warn them and he really didn't see/hear them...fog of war.

But hey, even american vehicles don't speed through checkpoints.

Unfortunate, truly.

This was the reason why i said what i said, and i did admit i was off topic and sorry if i offended anyone with my comments.


The point i was trying to raise:-

Warning really disturbing pics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Provocative_boi whats your opinon on this? click here Whose telling the truth the forces or the locals?

Ohnoes... Topic about to go off the rail again.

Anyways,

By the sounds of it, the Americans were following the rules of engagement. Clear marked signs, visual and audio warning, failing that warning shot. After that, lethal force authorized. (point to note that Rules of Engagement differs from places to places, and unit standard operating procedures, etc. Also, nothing prohibits any soldier from using lethal force to protect themselves and members of their unit, allied forces. At least, I haven't heard of any RoE stated otherwise, even during most peaceful peacekeeping operations)

Points to consider
-Americans do not know who's in the car. Pregnant woman, a terrorist, could be anyone in there. All they saw was a car going really fast towards them and not heeding their warnings to stop.
-While we can sympathize with the Iraqi man going to the hospital to help his sister and it is quite possible that he's so concentrating on getting his sister to the hospital as fast as possible so he did not see the warnings.
-The Americans, being under constant IED and suicide bombers attacking their checkpoints, cannot take the risk of being hit by another suicide bombers. Having delivered reasonable amount of warnings, they were justified in using lethal force to try to stop the vehicle.

End result in this tragic incident is that nobody won.

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Originally posted by Provocative_boi This was the reason why i said what i said, and i did admit i was off topic and sorry if i offended anyone with my comments. The point i was trying to raise:- Warning really disturbing pics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for that very unsubtle way to try to derail the topic.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Thanks for that very unsubtle way to try to derail the topic.

You didnt read what i wrote above the video.

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Originally posted by Provocative_boi You didnt read what i wrote above the video.

I did.

I still don't see how dead and wounded children relates to this specific topic about US driving and checkpoints in Iraq, other than another 'look at the Yanks! They are shooting up kids!' anti war point.

If you want to specifically address the topic on hand, ie the Yanks are wrong in playing bumper cars with Iraqi civilians, then I'd be happy to debate further. (Though not quite sure all this armchair general-ing is valid)

But if you're going to bring up another 'Iraq war is wrong' stuff, I have no more time with you. (Feel free to go to the Political Discussion forum where there's plenty of that)

That video is tragic.

I 100% agree that we are in a horrible situation, and things will get a lot worse before they ever get better. However, you cannot villify and blame soldiers for war, they are a product of it - not a cause.

Imagine being some sheltered kid from Wisconsin who joined the army as a medic to pay for medical school. Two years later, you have to live in the shadow of the poor children in that video. You have to treat them. You have to watch thier families' reaction when that child dies in your arms. This is reality for some of the troops over there. The are just as much victims of war as the Iraqi people.

There are bad eggs in every profession, but the bulk of them are just that - professionals. It's a war without an enemy, without a front line and without a moral compass. This is why it's so dangerous over there and this is why 99.9% of the time I will give the dreaded American soldier the benefit of the doubt.

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Originally posted by EvilTree I did. I still don't see how dead and wounded children relates to this specific topic about US driving and checkpoints in Iraq, other than another 'look at the Yanks! They are shooting up kids!' anti war point. If you want to specifically address the topic on hand, ie the Yanks are wrong in playing bumper cars with Iraqi civilians, then I'd be happy to debate further. (Though not quite sure all this armchair general-ing is valid) But if you're going to bring up another 'Iraq war is wrong' stuff, I have no more time with you. (Feel free to go to the Political Discussion forum where there's plenty of that)

I never asked you to reply to me for that pics i posted, it was to show why i said, what i said earlier at the begining of the thread when i made it go off topic.


Neways im out

I realize this isn't Toronto, but I would so love to drive like that here.

As for the terrorist apologists in here, just be glad that I'm too bored with your braindead anti-American identity politics to bother with yet another pointless debate.

All I know is that if I was in a country where people were constantly shooting at me, I wouldn't just be bumping these people lightly, i'd have one of my buddies sitting in the machine gun nest clearing the way for me as I rolled over them full speed.

i guess the car bumping is ok..

however, from experience i can tell you that alot of these peace keepers
can be real dicks

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Originally posted by Provocative_boi I never asked you to reply to me for that pics i posted, it was to show why i said, what i said earlier at the begining of the thread when i made it go off topic.

It's not that I don't sympathize with those who suffer b/c of foolishness of war; it's just some of the post on this thread has no relevance to the topic on hand.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur All I know is that if I was in a country where people were constantly shooting at me, I wouldn't just be bumping these people lightly, i'd have one of my buddies sitting in the machine gun nest clearing the way for me as I rolled over them full speed.

Da Russki Red Army is coming out from you, Dima
(And if you tried that in Iraq, you'd get charged real fast, unless you can prove that you were being shot the entire time)

Nick, they are not peacekeepers in Iraq

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Originally posted by EvilTree Da Russki Red Army is coming out from you, Dima (And if you tried that in Iraq, you'd get charged real fast, unless you can prove that you were being shot the entire time) Nick, they are not peacekeepers in Iraq

They get charged for killing civilians? So who got the short end of the stick for all those bombings that were a little "off target"?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur They get charged for killing civilians? So who got the short end of the stick for all those bombings that were a little "off target"?

Don't ask me.

Ask the experts on US military law.

Life would be easier if the terrorist and insurgents don't mingle with the civvies, eh?

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Originally posted by EvilTree Life would be easier if the terrorist and insurgents don't mingle with the civvies, eh?

Eh... that's essentially the definition of a terrorist. If they made their bases in remote areas, didn't wear civilian clothes, and didn't deliberately target civilians, they'd be soldiers.

since we are on the topic of crazy driving, Driving in India

Get Away From The Car...Mutha Fucka!

this stupid war makes me so angry

dead baby joke anyone?

did no one see the hit on the BUS?? cars i get, but a bus? next he'll hit an emergency vehicle out of the way. the irony would be classic

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Originally posted by Arsalan since we are on the topic of crazy driving, Driving in India

that's where i learned how to drive. the funnest game was the 'how many cars will fit here' game

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict i guess the car bumping is ok.. however, from experience i can tell you that alot of these peace keepers can be real dicks

so you've spent time in Iraq then?

As a former soldier, I'd like you to elaborate on this experience.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict i guess the car bumping is ok.. however, from experience i can tell you that alot of these peace keepers can be real dicks

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Originally posted by EvilTree What's so wrong about that? Coalition forces are providing security. You see them coming, you move the fuck out the way, just like you would for any police, ambulance, fire or other emergency services. You don't know if these guys are on the streets to as Quick Reaction Force responding to an insurgent attack, IED, on a patrol, whatever. You know who these guys are and what they do and what their job is, so move the fuck out of the way. (It's same for Canadians in Kandahar)

100% that how you do it
wouldnt you move out of the way is there was a police car trying 2 pass?

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