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Fate vs destiny

without looking in a dictionary...what do you think the difference is?? and if you believe in them, doesn't that sort of mean life 'is' somewhat predetermined??

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze So I'm sitting here chatting with my friends and we're trying to figure out if life has us all on our own paths and theres nothing you can do to change it? For example, everything you do is already predetermined by 'someone/something/some force' and even when you think you dodged it, you're still and always be on that magical path of determination. Then we can get into the argument of altering ones path in life, but then again, if life is actually predertmined, then 'altering' is just a false sense of hope? By the way im sober just incase you were wondering lol

Shouldn't you be studying for those 2 exams you have on Monday?

Life, our creation, and the past before humans were on earth are topics no one will ever fully understand or truly figure out...ever, therefore no one needs to have any proof for what they believe. There are so many different explanations for just one to be right. Everyones opinion is just a way of explaining all this to themselves to have some kind of understanding of how things work, to bring some kind of comfort to themselves about life and our purpose etc

i dont believe life is pre-determined, and to people who do believe so i doubt any of them are saying its "someone", its just a force of some sort. once again, something we will never understand so back to my original comment, no one needs proof of what they believe because you will never get any.

i think if not every action of yours is pre-determined, it is possible that you have some sort of destiny out there for you, something each unique individual was put on this planet to do or accomplish, and it is your job to figure out what that is.
but that could all be determined by how much faith you have in yourself, how much of a change and positive difference you want to make in this world and how much of yourself you will give.
which is something that dosent have to be pre-determined, but decided upon your own choices which you make, but also could be seen as pre-determined if that is how you choose to perceive life.


too tired to check for grammar mistakes but i believe i got my point across lol

..ooops double post

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Originally posted by above'N'beyond Karma baby

Oh, u believe in that Carson Daly thing too huh

i dont believe everything is predetermined although i might believe parts of it are.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I just don't believe in any kind of "superior being/force" or whatever you want to call it. You make your own choices in life, and create your own path. I do wonder how you think it could be predetermined, and have any proof that it could even be possible? I just don't buy it.

yup. what he said.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 You make your own choices in life, and create your own path.

Re: Is life predetermined?

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze So I'm sitting here chatting with my friends and we're trying to figure out if life has us all on our own paths and theres nothing you can do to change it? For example, everything you do is already predetermined by 'someone/something/some force' and even when you think you dodged it, you're still and always be on that magical path of determination. Then we can get into the argument of altering ones path in life, but then again, if life is actually predertmined, then 'altering' is just a false sense of hope? By the way im sober just incase you were wondering lol

nO and its all bs stupid girls tell each other to comfort themselves when stuff goes wrong in their lives.

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze strings theory anyone? its a really interesting theory that says that we live in a world of 11 dimensions yet we only see 3 of them because the rest overlap n such? and that there is an INFINITE number of universes that are all connected and we are all in them except we live "different lives" its fucked up stuff

String theory does not say any of this. Most of this is a purposed intpretation to what we believe MAY be a solution to the field eqautions of string theory.

In string theory 10 + 1 dimensions are what you need to naturally get the standard model as a low energy limit but there is no reason to demand this a priori.

I'm not going to get into this debate.

But, last semester I took a 3rd yr course which was devoted entirely to the issue of free will. My course book has some extracts from the world's leading thinkers on this topic so I can give the name of the text if anyone wants it.

I'll just point out that the idea of some kind of determinism (whether hard or soft) is probably the majority view of academics today. In short: 1) if all processes of the universe are governed by causal necessity; 2) if human beings are part of nature; 3) then, human beings are also governed by causal necessity.

Anyways, anybody who is actually serious about looking into these issues and not interested in simply making uninformed, knee-jerk type comments ought to look into what authors like Pereboom, Ayer, Davidson, Chisholm, Frankfurt, Williams, and Van Inwagen suggest.

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Originally posted by cenik Anyways, anybody who is actually serious about looking into these issues and not interested in simply making uninformed, knee-jerk type comments ought to look into what authors like Pereboom, Ayer, Davidson, Chisholm, Frankfurt, Williams, and Van Inwagen suggest.

I, too, am NOT debating, but.....
With all do respect, I personally don't view their opinions more highly just because they are the "leading thinkers" and a course in the curriculum teaches this.

This is a topic which can NEVER be proven 100% scientifically, which is what everyone requires.
If anything, its only speculation, similar to those "experts" on dream interpretation.
Simply impossible to prove, so its just "experts" that feed us their ideas, which ONLY serves for their personal historical significance.

Obviously, this is just my opinion.

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Originally posted by _EuG_ God doesn�t exist; religion is just a fairy tail that is told to keep people in order. Let the flaming and arguing begin!!!!

Even better....the bible is just a book of short stories created to entertain people.

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Originally posted by Spike nO and its all bs stupid girls tell each other to comfort themselves when stuff goes wrong in their lives.

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Originally posted by cenik and not interested in simply making uninformed, knee-jerk type comments ought to look into ...

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Originally posted by Provocative_boi We surely are free in our actions and are, therefore, accountable for them. God only provides guidance for us to know what is good and what is bad. He says, "We created man of a water-drop...Surely We guided him to the right way--now whether he (follows it and) be grateful or (goes astray and) be ungrateful is up to him." (Qur'an: chp. 76, verse 3).

Totally agree

Everyday we all have opportunities to change our life path. Some people say that this is called destiny. However, it is the choices that we make that determine our path in life. Whether we explore the unknown, expand our minds and go on new adventures is something that we all control. Thinking that an outside force has control over ourselves is a self-defeatist way of thinking.

I would say no. You make your own destiny.

My belief is this - I think some things/situations/events do happen for a reason - all those things we brush off as merely an unlikely coincidence really aren't, and that there is a force that governs these situations/"coincidences". That said, I believe humans do have complete free will. Whatever force that governs a car crashing, and flipping over, sliding across the intersection to stop an inch in front of you has no control over how you react to what happened. I dunno if i'm making myself clear, but basically, this force has no control over us, it only has control over our environment. So we do make our own path, but this path is determined partly by the events that happen to us, and partly by how we react to the events that happen to us (and how we react is totally up to us).

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Originally posted by trance-ultima

came more from my gut than my knee i'd say

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Originally posted by Spike came more from my gut than my knee i'd say

LOOOOL
then i guess it makes it ok

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur (and how we react is totally up to us).

I disagree with this... it IS up to us in the sense that our reaction is processed through our mind... but there's only one way you will ever react to any situation you're in. the only way things could happen different in that car crash for example, are if things like your experiences up to that point, mood, physical state, etc. were different. if you went back in time and things were 100% the same, your very real brain would be subjected to the same stimuli and you'd end up making the same decision. the same goes if you went back another five minutes in time at the point you decided to take the particular road, that was the best and only decision you would have made at the time. and since there is no way to go back and change your state of mind or have more knowledge, that means we are falling through one path, a predetermined matrix along with everything else in nature that started with the big bang.

it's only called 'predetermined' because if someone or something was omniscient enough to see every reaction going on in your body and all social and natural factors that would affect your life at all times, they would be able to tell you exactly where you'll be at any point in life.

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Originally posted by DaRoZa I disagree with this... it IS up to us in the sense that our reaction is processed through our mind... but there's only one way you will ever react to any situation you're in. the only way things could happen different in that car crash for example, are if things like your experiences up to that point, mood, physical state, etc. were different. if you went back in time and things were 100% the same, your very real brain would be subjected to the same stimuli and you'd end up making the same decision. the same goes if you went back another five minutes in time at the point you decided to take the particular road, that was the best and only decision you would have made at the time. and since there is no way to go back and change your state of mind or have more knowledge, that means we are falling through one path, a predetermined matrix along with everything else in nature that started with the big bang. it's only called 'predetermined' because if someone or something was omniscient enough to see every reaction going on in your body and all social and natural factors that would affect your life at all times, they would be able to tell you exactly where you'll be at any point in life.

I disagree with you. You're arguing with the assumption that if we go back in time, we'll make the exact same choices as before. That's a pretty big if, and an even bigger assumption.

Obviously I have no proof of otherwise, but my idea is that if you ask the same person to name 5 random numbers in two sessions while trying to keep the two sessions as identical as possible, the person will not name the same 5 numbers. Obviously a lot of things will be out of our control and thus the environments will not be the exact same, but until we figure out a way to go back in time and test this, this is the best we're able to do.

Again, you can't use any sort of scientific proof to prove this because at this moment in time we are not able to prove this one way or the other. Only thing we can do is state our beliefs and hope that they are true. I don't like the idea that all my choices have been pre-made - to me, if that were true, life loses all meaning, and I might as well kill myself now cause I would have done it anyway.

P.S. If your theory is true, and humans ever invent a time machine, humanity will cease to exist, as everyone will realise their life has already been mapped out, and you will see a strong decline in the will of people to do ANYTHING.

This is one of the best books I have ever read, and it's right on topic. Anyone else read it? puts life in perspective, your relationships and everything that occurs in your life.

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Originally posted by oldschool420 I do wonder how you think it could be predetermined, and have any proof that it could even be possible?

LOL that's not exactly something you can prove with facts. The show Lost deals with these idea's too, that the universe unfolds the way it should and as much as we want to change our path in life, we'll still end up doing what we're supposed to do.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced the bible is just a book of short stories created to entertain people.

Clearly you've never read Leviticus... what a fuckin' snooze-fest!

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