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Originally posted by Tordan I really don't know what to think when it comes to this topic. I was brought up catholic and used to be very religious but I'm more agnostic now. My biggest issue with the existence of God is proof. I need scientific proof, faith alone doesn't cut it for me.

That is my biggest issue too...I require scientific proof before I jump in and believe something.

Santa vs God - discuss

I am a cynic as far as discussing religion goes. It never gets anyone anywehere.

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Originally posted by PartEgurl What people eat, and the way people live is derived from their geographical area

Pretty much with religion as well - very segregated regionally around the globe

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but I don't need my weekly "religion dose" to live, lol.

No one said you did....

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As far as religion goes, people from the different types are all very avid that there way is the right way, and with so many variations of what happens when you die for example, I don't agree that what everyone religion claims can be possible.

Dont really understand last sentence but i get what ur trying to say.
Thats totally fine. I dont claim my way is THE right way for everybody, it just works for me.
Its kinda like in music: trance works for me, whereas others think its horrible....
I cant say that everyone HAS TO like it

If being an atheist works for you then I will never condemn you or tell you you're going to hell. That'd be wrong.
All i am saying is that your initial comment was kinda illogical

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Originally posted by TheVrk Ya, I def believe in God...always have, always will And i do need Him in my life. I'm not one of these slappies that condemns anyone who doesnt tho. Thats your choice. For ppl who feel they dont need religion in their lives, i def respect that as well, as I do any opinion about anything Wanna try to clear up the church from God thingy. The overall grand scheme of religions are corrupted, as pretty much everyone assumes. But, that doesnt mean GOD corrupted them, or intended them to be that way. Cause He def didnt. Thats just the greed of men manifested. So please dont blame God when you lash out on religions being corporations of manipulation...cause again, thats MAN Anger and resentment towards religious institutions is justified, no doubt, but not towards God imo

+1 man...I coudn't have said it better myself

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Originally posted by TheVrk All i am saying is that your initial comment was kinda illogical

Interesting how you say my opinion is illogical. You can disagree with it, but I wouldn't go as far so call it illogical, until you've seen it from my perspective.

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Originally posted by PartEgurl Interesting how you say my opinion is illogical. You can disagree with it, but I wouldn't go as far so call it illogical, until you've seen it from my perspective.

Eh, sorry, didn't mean to offend....maybe used the wrong word.
Misguided more accurately describes what i meant.

I prefer the idea that some form of afterlife exists, as the idea is comforting to me. That, I think was the original purpose of religion, to be a comfort in life and to reassure people that death isn't finite.
Over thousands of years some people have manipulated the desperation of the masses, for their own gains i.e. money and power, and so religion was born.

On the whole I am content in believing that the only afterlife I will be a part of is the cycle of life when my body decays.

The idea of a supreme being aka God doesn't sit well for me though. That would mean that my life was already laid out before I was born, that every action I make is either good or bad, right or wrong, that I am being judged constantly, therefore God offers me no comfort.

I would normally always say that I'm agnostic, but after reading what I just wrote I will vote myself an athiest.

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Originally posted by TheVrk Eh, sorry, didn't mean to offend....maybe used the wrong word. Misguided more accurately describes what i meant.

Saying what I believe in is misguided is very offending as well. I could say that because you believe in god you have been misguided for many reasons, but I wouldn't because that isnt respecting your beleifs.

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Originally posted by Sera The idea of a supreme being aka God doesn't sit well for me though. that every action I make is either good or bad, right or wrong, that I am being judged constantly therefore God offers me no comfort.

Lol almost everday of your WHOLE life thats happened:
- your parents to at least some extent
- the schools you attended
- the LAW

All have concrete rules that lay out exactly what is right and wrong, and worse,
JUDGE you and punish you, every single day.

So that would mean they don't offer you any comfort either...

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Originally posted by PartEgurl I am a cynic as far as discussing religion goes.

I'm not a cynic when i discuss ANYTHING

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Originally posted by PartEgurl Saying what I believe in is misguided is very offending as well. I could say that because you believe in god you have been misguided for many reasons, but I wouldn't because that isnt respecting your beleifs.

If you said i was misguided in believing in God i wouldnt be offended at all - thats just me

Have you read any of my posts??
All i've done is respect your beliefs by not imposing mine on yours.
What i referred to was a comment of yours, not your beliefs.

Don't be offended so easily

I see your point, but the judgments of parents, peers, and authorities don't ultimately lead to a decision on how we spend our afterlives. They are humans like me and in that count we are all equal.
I thought we were talking about God here, and my point still stands that I find no comfort from a supreme being who judges me on every action I ever make.

so contrary to many posts here
pvd, tiesto, avb, and that Oakenfold guy aren't god?!

And here I thought Ready, Steady, Go was a hymn.

seriously,
show me the proof, I'll start believing more. simple.

I believe in God.

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Originally posted by spitty +1 we all have seen the negative side of religion, but it does a lot of good too

I agree.

What annoys me is when others push their religion on others. You can educate them about your religion...but allow each other to form their own opinions. People not believing in your God is not going to effect whether you believe or not.

agnostic/borderline atheist?

i don't know. lately i just hate applying myself to predetermined labels. why do i have to apply myself to one of a few existing sets of beliefs, or align myself on the dichotomy of god existing or not? these are all things that i only care about because so many other people do. i think i'm smart enough to develop my own moral compass. i'll have to see some kind of sign myself to believe in anything supernatural, tradition and other people attesting their faith will not cut it for me.

the marxist belief that man created god blah blah seems pretty cynical at first, but it makes a lot of sense if you actually read his works. it's just the way we reason - if you're hungry, you will think of a solution; a way to get food. if you want to be rich, many avenues exist to getting there. however, there are some universal goals that can't be answered, such as wondering where the fuck you go when you die. nothing we can reason or prove can explain these things, so supernatural concepts have to fill in so we can get sleep at night. and as we can see religion also helps answer other injustices like not being able to achieve those goals of food or money. this is how the concept of god came forth universally in every society in my opinion, it wasn't because god stretched his powers across the globe and showed proof of his existence in different ways or something.

however, asking whether religion can function as a set of values or a tool to bring a community together is a completely different topic. while i think that it can be good, looking at all the problems with organized religion (especially the catholic church in the last 1000 years, even without the da vinci code BS it's pretty ridiculous), and all the religious wars going on, i have to say we'd probably be better off leaving this monotheistic stuff behind us.

This debate is tired.



*yawn*

Hmm.. I'm somewhere in between agnostic and atheist. I don't believe in God in the usual way - Bible, Quaran, and everything else related is bullshit - God doesn't talk to people, nor did it ever have a part-man part-God likeness walking the earth, it doesn't do miracles because you pray for them, it doesn't even care if you pray to it, and it most certainly doesn't judge you. All that crap was just made up by people with big imaginations to make the simple people back then to adhere to a common set of basic moral rules. Maybe so that people would agree on stuff they don't necessarily understand and not fight over it. Of course, it'd be great if it was just ONE set of beliefs and moral rules, but people had to make their own religions with their own stories and lessons, which created differences, which created rifts, which created wars, and there went the basic idea of making the set of beliefs to keep people happy and at peace.

Don't even get me started on organized religion - put in a nice way, organized religion is a disease upon humanity. It hinders free thought and free speech, it uses the many for personal gains of the few, it manipulates people, and it is the biggest cause of pain, suffering, and loss of human lives that we will ever know.

What I do believe is that God is more like a governing force of the universe rather than some supernatural being as He is described in your bible. What I said in the other thread kind of describes it:

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My belief is this - I think some things/situations/events do happen for a reason - all those things we brush off as merely an unlikely coincidence really aren't, and that there is a force that governs these situations/"coincidences". That said, I believe humans do have complete free will. Whatever force that governs a car crashing, and flipping over, sliding across the intersection to stop an inch in front of you has no control over how you react to what happened. I dunno if i'm making myself clear, but basically, this force has no control over us, it only has control over our environment. So we do make our own path, but this path is determined partly by the events that happen to us, and partly by how we react to the events that happen to us (and how we react is totally up to us).

This force is everywhere, at all times, but it is not a petty being like Santa that cares if you've been bad or good, and watches over you at all times.

BTW, those waiting or searching for proof of God, you might as well give up now - it will never happen. I think if we were ever to prove God exists, that would destroy the existence of God. Like, since God is a supernatural being, and if we prove it using our natural earthly ways, then you're essentially bridging the gap between the supernatural and the natural. So you'll be bringing God down to our level. And if you do that, it's no longer God. I hope this makes sense. I don't know if proof of non-existence of God is possible or not.

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Originally posted by smuncky

omg i LOVE george carlin...he is my idol

GOD (religion) - The greatest illusion ever created.

I believe there is a god, and Jesus Christ is his son.

there was a thread like this before .... i explained my views on how religion was invented by man there for God was invented by man etc don't feel liek getting into it again

I believe in a numerator and denominator united as one.

The Athiest Test


Here is a poor argument by anology, which attempts to strike some faith into the heart of your avarage athiest by making him seem like a fool. I had to do this for my morals and reasoning class and I thought it was very humarous.

http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

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