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meh, the 2D is a bad choice IMO. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too expensive for such a small amount of controls. you already have the 3D, no sense adding the same stuff to it. the cheapest price ive seen online for the 2D is 700US.

just get a frickin Evolution UC-33e. like for like 200 bucks (less, if you hunt around), you get 8 faders, 3 knobs per fader, and 9 buttons. sure, nothing wow, but you just can't beat the price. want more stuff? get another!



$700



$200

you decide.

Pretty much exactly what I thought.

I think I'll be getting the UC-33 for travelling when I go to europe this summer. Nice and compact.

Anyone know if the faders/knobs are changeable? Meaning if you can remove them plastic bits?

the faders seem to have led's... so i doubt you can... knobs maybe

But the 2D is by Allen & Heath, man! Allen & Heath!

Yeah but the allen and heath has an integrated soundcard as well. You are looking at at least $250-300 for a usb/firewire 8 channel (4 stereo) soundcard, so all of a sudden $650 for the 2D isn't so bad.

You do realize the quality difference in the controls between those two is HUGE, right?

That's like comparing the Behringer mixer with a Xone 92: "They have the same controls, why pay more?".

The 2D can also send MIDI clock and has the "nudge" functionality.

The 2D is shipping in May in the US.

They also just announced the 1D, so for under $1000 you can turn any mixer into the same amount of controls as a 3D, and be able to take them with you to a gig without lugging something as big as the 3D. I don't think it's such a bad product.

Also, take a look at the Evolution controller:

1. It has tons of faders. That's nice, but are you REALLY going to be playing 8 clips at once? Ouch.
2. There are no buttons association which each channel grouping (fader/3 knobs). That means your clip controls have to be somewhere else, which isn't intuitive.

I'm not saying it's not a bad product, but you can't just look at a controller and count how many midi controls it has.

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Originally posted by Inertia meh, the 2D is a bad choice IMO. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too expensive for such a small amount of controls. you already have the 3D, no sense adding the same stuff to it. the cheapest price ive seen online for the 2D is 700US. just get a frickin Evolution UC-33e. like for like 200 bucks (less, if you hunt around), you get 8 faders, 3 knobs per fader, and 9 buttons. sure, nothing wow, but you just can't beat the price. want more stuff? get another! $700 $200 you decide.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Yeah but the allen and heath has an integrated soundcard as well. You are looking at at least $250-300 for a usb/firewire 8 channel (4 stereo) soundcard, so all of a sudden $650 for the 2D isn't so bad. You do realize the quality difference in the controls between those two is HUGE, right? That's like comparing the Behringer mixer with a Xone 92: "They have the same controls, why pay more?". The 2D can also send MIDI clock and has the "nudge" functionality. The 2D is shipping in May in the US. They also just announced the 1D, so for under $1000 you can turn any mixer into the same amount of controls as a 3D, and be able to take them with you to a gig without lugging something as big as the 3D. I don't think it's such a bad product. Also, take a look at the Evolution controller: 1. It has tons of faders. That's nice, but are you REALLY going to be playing 8 clips at once? Ouch. 2. There are no buttons association which each channel grouping (fader/3 knobs). That means your clip controls have to be somewhere else, which isn't intuitive. I'm not saying it's not a bad product, but you can't just look at a controller and count how many midi controls it has.

comparing the two to A&H and Behringer makes no sense. A&H has superior sound quality, and Behringer's controls suck.

Behringer is a piece of shit, the Evolution is a great piece of kit. Alex Under controls his entire liveshow with just one. A&H's MIDI functionality has NOTHING superior. the soundcard, well, that is a plus i have to admit. the clock sucks on the 3D (i know, because i have used one) so that's not that much of a plus. the nudge perhaps, but you'd be better off beatmatching by ear as close as you can, and then pitch bending your "turntable" track.

i'm not saying Evo is the only way to go, but i still think the 2D is a waste of money.

I was more comparing the Evo with a behringer. The problem with all these cheap controllers is just that, they feel like shit. I have a trigger finger, I've done some ableton mixes on it. I've played with the Evo before. It's decent, but it's still all plastic and I don't care for the knobs.

With the A+H, you are paying for high quality faders and controls. They won't wear out, they feel nice, and they are laid out in a nice manner. If you aren't willing to pay for quality like that, then fine. I am.

I paid for quality with my Xone 92, and I'll probably pay for a 2D as well.

Most likely I'm going to use it with Torq most of the time, or use ableton as an effects loop/sampler.

I don't see why you feel it's such a waste of money... it's not THAT expensive.

You'll pay $200 for an Evo, and another $300 for a sound card. You wouldn't pay another $150 to get an A+H piece of kit?

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Originally posted by Inertia comparing the two to A&H and Behringer makes no sense. A&H has superior sound quality, and Behringer's controls suck. Behringer is a piece of shit, the Evolution is a great piece of kit. Alex Under controls his entire liveshow with just one. A&H's MIDI functionality has NOTHING superior. the soundcard, well, that is a plus i have to admit. the clock sucks on the 3D (i know, because i have used one) so that's not that much of a plus. the nudge perhaps, but you'd be better off beatmatching by ear as close as you can, and then pitch bending your "turntable" track. i'm not saying Evo is the only way to go, but i still think the 2D is a waste of money.

what's so special about this Monodeck II mixer? i can see its very special, but im not into this stuff so much, and was just wondering why people here even give their kidney for this mixer

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 1. It has tons of faders. That's nice, but are you REALLY going to be playing 8 clips at once? Ouch.

This is why I think that most, if not all discussions/debates/etc. about "which mixer is the better choice" are pointless. One style of mixer is going to be far more suitable for one style of music than another mixer is. For example, the DJM series is suited more for Trance and your typical House and quicker transitions. Gear such as the Xone series is more suitable for Tech House, Techno and other genres where longer, more drawn out and incredibly focused transitions are common. Such is the case here.

The 2D doesn't have that many faders and is suitable for the average person "spinning" only two or three audio sources at the same time. For doing a live show or if you're a DJ spinning something along the lines of Minimal and incorporating four, five, six or more audio sources simultaneously then yeah, the Evolution comes in handy.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 You'll pay $200 for an Evo, and another $300 for a sound card. You wouldn't pay another $150 to get an A+H piece of kit?

Sure. The extra faders on the Evolution would leave room for creativity for me, and could also double as a handy feature when it comes to producing. The 2D, not so much,. More for less, in my opinion. I'm also not going to spend an extra $100+ just because it's by Allen & Heath. But that's just me.

The Xones are more suited for Tech House or Techno? I've never heard such a claim.

And by stating I would pay $150 more for A+H, I could care less if they or anyone else makes it. But they seem to be the only company making a MIDI controller that doesn't use cheap plastic knobs and faders and I think that's worth something.

So did Sasha, which is why he went out and had a controller built for him. Like I said, mixing on most MIDI controllers feels like mixing on the cheapest mixer you can buy.

Yeah the 2D misses the mark for some, but I think it'll be enough for me and if it isn't I can add the 1D onto my setup when it becomes available.

If the Evo or anything else works for your setup than by all means use it.

But to call the 2D "useless" is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by idoru This is why I think that most, if not all discussions/debates/etc. about "which mixer is the better choice" are pointless. One style of mixer is going to be far more suitable for one style of music than another mixer is. For example, the DJM series is suited more for Trance and your typical House and quicker transitions. Gear such as the Xone series is more suitable for Tech House, Techno and other genres where longer, more drawn out and incredibly focused transitions are common. Such is the case here. The 2D doesn't have that many faders and is suitable for the average person "spinning" only two or three audio sources at the same time. For doing a live show or if you're a DJ spinning something along the lines of Minimal and incorporating four, five, six or more audio sources simultaneously then yeah, the Evolution comes in handy. Sure. The extra faders on the Evolution would leave room for creativity for me, and could also double as a handy feature when it comes to producing. The 2D, not so much,. More for less, in my opinion. I'm also not going to spend an extra $100+ just because it's by Allen & Heath. But that's just me.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 I was more comparing the Evo with a behringer. The problem with all these cheap controllers is just that, they feel like shit. I have a trigger finger, I've done some ableton mixes on it. I've played with the Evo before. It's decent, but it's still all plastic and I don't care for the knobs. With the A+H, you are paying for high quality faders and controls. They won't wear out, they feel nice, and they are laid out in a nice manner. If you aren't willing to pay for quality like that, then fine. I am. I paid for quality with my Xone 92, and I'll probably pay for a 2D as well. Most likely I'm going to use it with Torq most of the time, or use ableton as an effects loop/sampler. I don't see why you feel it's such a waste of money... it's not THAT expensive. You'll pay $200 for an Evo, and another $300 for a sound card. You wouldn't pay another $150 to get an A+H piece of kit?

dude. don't give me that. a XONE vs DJX discussion, it's not just how many functions, it's sound quality, durability, etc etc etc.

MIDI controllers don't work the same way. they are just boxes with wires inside, that give out a digital value for a program to do the rest. MIDI controllers do nothing internally, other than supply data to their hosts. they don't process your sound.

in other words, any controller with the same functions as a 2D and is decently built will do just as good as a 2D, even if the 2D is A&H and you built the other one yourself.

if i buy an Evo for $200US, and a firewire soundcard for my PC, i have 2 seperate pieces of kit. i don't NEED to use the soundcard with the controller if i don't want to. not to mention, frickin' A&H hasn't stepped up and made their cards firewire, only USB.

No shit, really? I didn't know that. I just bought my 92 because it looked so pretty.

You mentioned durability. That's EXACTLY why I mentioned the Xone vs. DJX. Take the sound quality issue out of the equation and it's the same comparison. You'd have two boxes with similar control features, built using VERY different quality components.

You're gonna tell me a $200 midi controller will be as durable as a $600 midi controller?

And if you don't want the soundcard, they are offereing the 1D which is exactly that.

It's a premium product, if you don't want to buy it then don't.

Why are we arguing about this? I was simply trying to give the product some merit.

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Originally posted by Inertia dude. don't give me that. a XONE vs DJX discussion, it's not just how many functions, it's sound quality, durability, etc etc etc. MIDI controllers don't work the same way. they are just boxes with wires inside, that give out a digital value for a program to do the rest. MIDI controllers do nothing internally, other than supply data to their hosts. they don't process your sound. in other words, any controller with the same functions as a 2D and is decently built will do just as good as a 2D, even if the 2D is A&H and you built the other one yourself. if i buy an Evo for $200US, and a firewire soundcard for my PC, i have 2 seperate pieces of kit. i don't NEED to use the soundcard with the controller if i don't want to. not to mention, frickin' A&H hasn't stepped up and made their cards firewire, only USB.

I still think the price for the 2D is overkill.

If someone already has a spare sound card/utility then it really isn't worth it if it's only for compact travelling and recording to your laptop.

One huge download for me about the 2D and 3D for that matter is that they had a lot more room to fit in one more knob in the midi section to make it 3. Instead it has two, I don't see much good in that at all especially if someone just wants to be a 2D instead of an entire 3D/other mixer for its midi capabilities and they wanna dj with it, it's kind of a drawback.

If it isn't for Live play I don't really think it's that big of a deal. I've seen the UC-33 be used many places live, so I really doubt it's bad. Plus I tend to use a shit load of faders. Only draw back is ofcourse, not many buttons.

I respect A&H ofcourse they make great products, the 3D is a scream and I'm sure the 2D midi sections perform just as well. I think it's more as to what you want to do with the controller that makes you decide upon thwat to buy.

Solution: Buy both!

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Originally posted by jupiterone I still think the price for the 2D is overkill. If someone already has a spare sound card/utility then it really isn't worth it if it's only for compact travelling and recording to your laptop. One huge download for me about the 2D and 3D for that matter is that they had a lot more room to fit in one more knob in the midi section to make it 3. Instead it has two, I don't see much good in that at all especially if someone just wants to be a 2D instead of an entire 3D/other mixer for its midi capabilities and they wanna dj with it, it's kind of a drawback. If it isn't for Live play I don't really think it's that big of a deal. I've seen the UC-33 be used many places live, so I really doubt it's bad. Plus I tend to use a shit load of faders. Only draw back is ofcourse, not many buttons. I respect A&H ofcourse they make great products, the 3D is a scream and I'm sure the 2D midi sections perform just as well. I think it's more as to what you want to do with the controller that makes you decide upon thwat to buy.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 The Xones are more suited for Tech House or Techno? I've never heard such a claim.

That was just an example, albeit not the greatest. All that I'm trying to say (and I've heard the same from quite a few other people so it's not baseless) is that the Xone series seems more suitable for long, drawn-out and precise mixing as opposed to the DJM series that feels more suitable for faster, less precise mixing.

That's it.

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Originally posted by idoru That was just an example, albeit not the greatest. All that I'm trying to say (and I've heard the same from quite a few other people so it's not baseless) is that the Xone series seems more suitable for long, drawn-out and precise mixing as opposed to the DJM series that feels more suitable for faster, less precise mixing. That's it.

Crock of shit, m8.

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Originally posted by RJT Crock of shit, m8.

Eh, I'd venture to say that it's probably subjective. It's just what I've gathered after multiple uses of both. When I've used the DJM for a bit of Hard Techno (quick transitions) I thought it was perfect, but when I spun my regular stuff on it I despised it. Vice versa when I tried likewise on my Xone. *shrug*

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Originally posted by idoru Eh, I'd venture to say that it's probably subjective. It's just what I've gathered after multiple uses of both. When I've used the DJM for a bit of Hard Techno (quick transitions) I thought it was perfect, but when I spun my regular stuff on it I despised it. Vice versa when I tried likewise on my Xone. *shrug*

But that's just it - it's all subjective.

There is no right or wrong when it comes to comparing rigs like those - it's all in the hands of who's using them.

If you were comparing something like a scratch mixer and those, then you might have a distinction, but comparing those two as if one is better than the other across the board for certain genres is just tomfoolery!

This is true.

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Originally posted by idoru Eh, I'd venture to say that it's probably subjective. It's just what I've gathered after multiple uses of both. When I've used the DJM for a bit of Hard Techno (quick transitions) I thought it was perfect, but when I spun my regular stuff on it I despised it. Vice versa when I tried likewise on my Xone. *shrug*

Yes, it's definately subjective. However, from what I've seen the general consensus is the exact opposite: Techno DJs tend to migrate more towards the Xones, while many House/Tech House DJs have been all over the DJM-800.

Of course, it's still subjective.

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Originally posted by jupiterone By the way heres Richies controller, was on Doepfer I'd give my left kidney for that

jesus, too fucking much


get creative with a set? just fucking start producing seriously..

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro what's so special about this Monodeck II mixer? i can see its very special, but im not into this stuff so much, and was just wondering why people here even give their kidney for this mixer

answer my question !

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro answer my question !

first, it�s not a mixer. its a midi controller. it is used for controlling software that supports it, like say Ableton Live. what�s nice about it is it is a huge midi controller with a bunch of functions and its very nicely laid out. no company sells such a thing so far, so anyone would like to have one.

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Originally posted by nchs09 jesus, too fucking much get creative with a set? just fucking start producing seriously..

But some producers like to do what is called a "live set" ...

And most producers shouldn't try to

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