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Originally posted by Scolomon how useful are the hotcues? i know you can set up like 3 different parts on a track to cue. so if i hit this button on a song does it seemlessly go back to this spot in the song and sound continuous?

it does sound continuous. jumping instantly to the saved point, and can be really good when used well, remixing on the fly, extending buildups etc.
I thought I'd use them a lot, but not really. most of the time find myself manually cueing each time I play a track. Most often I use them to save loops on short intro tracks so I don't have to reset the loop every time (only on mk3's and the cmx3000 - earlier mk's don't save the loops to a hot cue).

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Originally posted by Tony Morello i agree they're overpriced, but because they're that good, people pay it

im not sure thats the reason why people buy them.
People can be gullable they think its the industry standard and is most expensive so must be the best pioneer take advantage of that and throw an extra 2-�300 on top of the price and people will still buy them.

If you wanna go pro buy the 1000's.

I have 200's, they're fucking amazing. I wouldnt look twice at a 1000 unless it had a spinning platter.

I have 200's, they're fuckign amazing. I wouldnt look twice at a 1000 unless it had a spinning platter.

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Originally posted by JoNMiTz I have 200's, they're fuckign amazing. I wouldnt post twice if I had a 1000 with a spinning platter.

those who say they rather have an 800 are just kidding themselves go the 1000 if u can

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Originally posted by JoNMiTz I have 200's, they're fuckign amazing. I wouldnt look twice at a 1000 unless it had a spinning platter.

Yeah but it's because Pioneer CDJ's don't have spinning platters is what makes them so good compared to the competition.

Spinning platters look pretty, and might be useful for scratch DJ's. But for mixing it's just a hindrance. Everyone with DN-S3500's I know turns off the platter for mixing, because you can't pitch bend with it reliably while it's spinning.

so are you getting the 1000's or what?

I have a 800mk2 and a 1000mk3 this is what i suggest you get then you have the best of both. You have the tricks to use from both of them and the finer pitch. 0.05 on the 800 and 0.02/0.05 on the 1000. Also if not using mp3 then I would get the 800mk1 and the 1000mk2(of ebay) and save more money.

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Originally posted by finnyarmstrong I have a 800mk2 and a 1000mk3 this is what i suggest you get then you have the best of both. You have the tricks to use from both of them and the finer pitch. 0.05 on the 800 and 0.02/0.05 on the 1000. Also if not using mp3 then I would get the 800mk1 and the 1000mk2(of ebay) and save more money.

When you say 'the best of both', what does the 800mk2 do that the 1000mk3 can't?

I know it has auto loops - but these are pretty useless IMO

save him money

It really bugs me that the 1000's are so damn expensive. And they don't hold their value THAT well. It's not like these units last 20 years like Technics do. All the ones I've seen in clubs for 3-4 years are showing some serious wear.

I've had my CDJ-1000 MK2's for about 2 years now, still working great... but lets say I wanted MK3's...

The MK2's are now going for around $600-$650 on ebay used. So it would cost me nearly $1000 to upgrade both decks. I would gain: MP3 capability (useless unless your a mobile DJ IMO), a silver pitch slider, slightly higher resolution LCD display, storable loops on hot cue buttons (but of course you can never make perfect loops on 1000's anyway), and knob to adjust platter tension (I don't scratch)?

That seems like a lot of money. Considering how the digital DJ world is changing so quickly, are you prepared to have a $2200 investment be nearly worthless in 5 years? Certainly I hope they still work (WHY doesn't Pioneer offer a 3 year warrantly for a $1200 CD deck is beyond me), but they may become irrellevant and at that point you won't be able to get much for them.

CDJ-800MK2's offer you nearly all the same feature of the 1000 (and you can certainly rock any room with them), at nearly half the price. I'd say go for them.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 It really bugs me that the 1000's are so damn expensive. And they don't hold their value THAT well. It's not like these units last 20 years like Technics do. All the ones I've seen in clubs for 3-4 years are showing some serious wear. I've had my CDJ-1000 MK2's for about 2 years now, still working great... but lets say I wanted MK3's... The MK2's are now going for around $600-$650 on ebay used. So it would cost me nearly $1000 to upgrade both decks. I would gain: MP3 capability (useless unless your a mobile DJ IMO), a silver pitch slider, slightly higher resolution LCD display, storable loops on hot cue buttons (but of course you can never make perfect loops on 1000's anyway), and knob to adjust platter tension (I don't scratch)? That seems like a lot of money. Considering how the digital DJ world is changing so quickly, are you prepared to have a $2200 investment be nearly worthless in 5 years? Certainly I hope they still work (WHY doesn't Pioneer offer a 3 year warrantly for a $1200 CD deck is beyond me), but they may become irrellevant and at that point you won't be able to get much for them. CDJ-800MK2's offer you nearly all the same feature of the 1000 (and you can certainly rock any room with them), at nearly half the price. I'd say go for them.

I hear what you're saying but I don't think that anyone (including Pioneer) expects you to upgrade from mk2's to mk3's. The mk3's are just there for people who haven't got any CDJ's yet and can afford them.

But yes, it is shocking that we only get a 1 year warranty on something that costs �750 (that's what I paid 18 months ago anyway).

Yeah I guess I realize they don't expect me to upgrade. It's just made me look hard at the economics of the whole thing

I can't believe they actually RAISED the price with the MK3. They should have kept it the same. But people pay it...

Time for Denon to step up an release something that's truly innovative and non-buggy.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith I hear what you're saying but I don't think that anyone (including Pioneer) expects you to upgrade from mk2's to mk3's. The mk3's are just there for people who haven't got any CDJ's yet and can afford them. But yes, it is shocking that we only get a 1 year warranty on something that costs �750 (that's what I paid 18 months ago anyway).

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 I can't believe they actually RAISED the price with the MK3. They should have kept it the same. But people pay it... Time for Denon to step up an release something that's truly innovative and non-buggy.

It is crazy that they raised the price of the mk3 just cause it's new - they do have a monopoly on the CDJ market though, which is annoying.

Look at the gaming console market - I bought an Xbox back 2002 for �300, then I bought the Xbox 360 in 2005 for �280 and it is easily 10 times better with so many new features you can't name them all on here.

But then Pioneer release the mk2 but with about 3 slightly enhanced (not new) features, call it the mk3 and then raise the price - CRAZY!!

pioneer dont have any real competition thats the problem if denon pulled their finger out their arses and released a serious deck which they can they were well on their way there with the 3500 then pioneer would be forced to drop their prices a little.

The 3500 easily beats out the 1000 in features... the only problem with the Denon is:

1. It was released with buggy firmware.
2. Some of the layout and features are complicated to use.
3. Simple mixing on the decks is not as responsive and straightforward as with the CDJ's.

Maybe their successor to the 5000 will correct some of these issues. A simple design, and with a nice price.

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Originally posted by sleepydragon pioneer dont have any real competition thats the problem if denon pulled their finger out their arses and released a serious deck which they can they were well on their way there with the 3500 then pioneer would be forced to drop their prices a little.

or you can do what i did and find some hardly used 1000 mkl's for 550 a piece!

the quick return function on the 800mk2 pwns the hell out of the 1000's in my opinion

What is the difference exactly?

Doesn't the 1000 do that too, if it's cued, you can scratch and when you let go it returns to the cue point?

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster the quick return function on the 800mk2 pwns the hell out of the 1000's in my opinion

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster the quick return function on the 800mk2 pwns the hell out of the 1000's in my opinion

What is Quick Return then?

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Originally posted by starboy or you can do what i did and find some hardly used 1000 mkl's for 550 a piece!

For that price I'd really rather have new 800 mk2s. The mk1's I play on some time seem quite ancient compared to the newer models. Not nearly as precise. Maybe it's just the ones I use but still.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman For that price I'd really rather have new 800 mk2s. The mk1's I play on some time seem quite ancient compared to the newer models. Not nearly as precise. Maybe it's just the ones I use but still.

What do you meen by precise?

yeah, the ones i found maybe had 10 hours of use before me, they are pretty much new.. there is nothing like having two songs perfectly matched, they will not drift

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