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5 dollars a gram seems alright.

it's better then some other pills being sold.

and there is research being done. i know that for a fact. there is research being done on different administration of the THC so you don't have to smoke a joint for it. there are already different therapies in clinical trials being used on people with various pain disorders.

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Originally posted by slingshot And the variance in these prices is so significant that it warrants a mark up 1500%? The variance in prices of seeds for different strains of pot is minimal at best. It is nothing even close to warranting a markup of 20%, let alone 1500%. Nor is the research required to improve growing conditions, research, all that garbage that you mentioned costly enough to warrant a mark-up so high. The fact that you fail to see this is down right disturbing.

I see where you are coming from dude, but you seem to basing your knowledge on this one article alone. Do you have any other evidence that backs up what this article states? Do you even know where the money is being spent? I would be very skeptical about the media nowadays, and this is definitely no exception. 5$ a gram is a more than fair price, yes it could be lower, but that will come with more investment, more patients using and more supply being grown (all this needs money).

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess it's better then some other pills being sold. and there is research being done. i know that for a fact. there is research being done on different administration of the THC so you don't have to smoke a joint for it. there are already different therapies in clinical trials being used on people with various pain disorders.

very true.

marinol - synthetic thc

Andrew needs to put his $0.02 cents into this.

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Originally posted by slingshot Andrew needs to put his $0.02 cents into this.

I know someone on a clinical trial for oral-spray THC (Sativex) and trust me the product is not cheap, the research trial is not cheap, the scientists working on the product are not cheap, the certification of the drug is not cheap, etc, etc, etc.

Andrew will tell you the same thing. Clinical trials and developing new therapies are not cheap things to do (gov't involvement or not).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker I know someone on a clinical trial for oral-spray THC (Sativex) and trust me the product is not cheap, the research trial is not cheap, the scientists working on the product are not cheap, the certification of the drug is not cheap, etc, etc, etc. Andrew will tell you the same thing. Clinical trials and developing new therapies is not a cheap thing to do (gov't involvement or not).

We are not talking about this sort of stuff. This discussion is centered around smokeable marijauna and smokeable marijauna only.

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Originally posted by slingshot We are not talking about this sort of stuff. This discussion is centered around smokeable marijauna and smokeable marijauna only.

We're also not talking college kids smoking blunts. If it is for medical use - it is THERAPY.

No medical regulatory body is going to accept something as therapy without research (initial and ongoing), regulations, controls and oversight (all which are expensive).

BTW - Sativex is non-synthetic (meaning it is extracted from GROWN plants which the gov't's subcontractor grows).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker We're also not talking college kids smoking blunts. If it is for medical use - it is THERAPY.

i would think that these people aren't getting blitzed for the weekend by smoking 30 grams of weed in 2 days. it's a therapy where they injest .25 of a gram a day or some other small amounts.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess i would think that these people aren't getting blitzed for the weekend by smoking 30 grams of weed in 2 days. it's a therapy where they injest .25 of a gram a day or some other small amounts.

Actually these patients are smoking a lot, grams a day, not fractions of a gram.

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Originally posted by Orko Actually these patients are smoking a lot, grams a day, not fractions of a gram.

absolutely...depending upon the illness being treated.

some use it to simply stimulate appetite as other meds or their illness reduces it.

some, who use it for pain, may smoke/ingest quite a bit.


I don't doubt that a fair bit of research and costs go into the product, but this markup is ridiculously unecessary.

keep in mind that pot is NOT covered, like other meds. Given that the money is coming from patients pockets, I'd like to see the gov't chill on the markup or at least tailor prices to income.

charging near-street prices when your "bulk buying" reduces costs to 1500x lower is not cool.

this isn't a profit issue...i.e. I'm not pissed at the gov't "making money" here, becuase they probably are not, in the end.

it's about patients not having to pay unecessarily high $$$ for their "treatment". If it's legit "treatment", then the full costs of the pot should not be borne by the patients, IMHO.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess i would think that these people aren't getting blitzed for the weekend by smoking 30 grams of weed in 2 days. it's a therapy where they injest .25 of a gram a day or some other small amounts.

I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money that your average medicinal marijauna smoker is smoking anywhere from 1-3 grams a day. Injesting .25 of a gram or even smoking .25 of a gram is such a ludacrisly small amount of marijuana...especially for someone who uses on a regular basis.

I would also think that medicinal marijauna users are getting just as blitzed, just as regularly as your token teenage pothead.

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Originally posted by slingshot I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money

How significant? Like $500 or $5000 (or more)?

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker How significant? Like $500 or $5000 (or more)?

1 million dollars.

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Originally posted by slingshot 1 million dollars.

The point of the article is the mark up. If part of that markup was in fact going into R&D, that would be great, but it is not.

Ottawa pays $328.75 per kilo.

Users are paying $5000 per kilo.

None of that $4671.25 is going to R&D. Only a portion of the original $328.75 is going to R&D. We understand that administration costs are high, but who exactly is paying them?

I am not well versed in the pharmaceutical sector, but here is how i see it.

Phizer develops a drug, and sells it through Shoppers Dug Mart. Does Shoppers have to pay any of the development costs? No. Phizer has to develop it, make sure it passes all of Health Canada's procedures, and has to market it. Shoppers simply sells the drug. The Canadian Government is Shoppers, and Prairie Plant Systems is Phizer. The government is a reseller here, not a producer.

Again Canada's monopolistic practices are hurting the consumer. If any company with competition needed $4600 to move a kilo of product, they would be out of business very quickly.

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Originally posted by Orko Phizer develops a drug, and sells it through Shoppers Dug Mart. Does Shoppers have to pay any of the development costs? No. Phizer has to develop it, make sure it passes all of Health Canada's procedures, and has to market it. Shoppers simply sells the drug. The Canadian Government is Shoppers, and Prairie Plant Systems is Phizer. The government is a reseller here, not a producer.

Unlike your example above:

Prairie Plant Systems is not doing the research - they are growing plants (that is it).

The Canadian government is funding the majority of the research and is also tasked with the administration of the therapy, the development of the protocols and then management of the systems required to deliver the therapy to the patient - thus the reason for the mark-up.

The consumer always bares the costs [research, development, management, implementation] of the treatment (either via taxes or fees).

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Originally posted by slingshot I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money that your average medicinal marijauna smoker is smoking anywhere from 1-3 grams a day. Injesting .25 of a gram or even smoking .25 of a gram is such a ludacrisly small amount of marijuana...especially for someone who uses on a regular basis. I would also think that medicinal marijauna users are getting just as blitzed, just as regularly as your token teenage pothead.

personally, since i am not a pot smoker, 1 gram a day would pretty much make me comatose. remember, they aren't passing the doobie around either.

ah well, you guys have your opinion. the mark up has to be comparable to street prices because every harry, dick and jane would be getting a perscription and reselling it to their friends. with 30 grams @ 5 dollars each, you can already make a profit. sell 15 of your grams at 10 dollars and you got your money back fully. that is already a risk for the government.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess personally, since i am not a pot smoker, 1 gram a day would pretty much make me comatose. remember, they aren't passing the doobie around either. ah well, you guys have your opinion. the mark up has to be comparable to street prices because every harry, dick and jane would be getting a perscription and reselling it to their friends. with 30 grams @ 5 dollars each, you can already make a profit. sell 15 of your grams at 10 dollars and you got your money back fully. that is already a risk for the government.

Is getting a prescription really that easy? If it's the same price as on the street, I'd rather get it legally if I can, lol.

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