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How about a Gore/Edwards or Gore/Obama?

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Originally posted by Kapedan How about a Gore/Edwards or Gore/Obama?

I'm in for Gore/Edwards!

Edwards is not a serious Presidential candidate, seriously.

he'd make a fine running mate, and that should speak volumes towards his unseriousness.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Okay then what's your point? You said gay people aren't a religion or a race...and that means what? Your group of people are already protected under the constitution, because it falls under "ethnic/racial" groups. Therefore, you don't need extra lagislation. Gays/lesbians do because they have no protection. Yeah I get your point. That's the same reason why I'll probably vote for a Dem: because there's no single perfect candidate out there but at least the Dems don't hate on the gays. Do you care about anything else other than things about Palestine and your Muslim heritage? Because when I read in the PDD, that's all you seem to be talking about. In fact you're always making posts about Muslims and Palestinians. Jeez d00d, can you not understand a different minority group? Are you empathic, or just another selfish snotty Muslim? Of course they are trivial, but obnoxious none-the-less. I want to see you live your entire life with certain restrictions based on your ethnicity then tell you to shut up because there's other important issues besides your ethnicity. There are more important issues out there, but those issues are not being suppressed because gay people are stalling everyone demanding equal rights, but because the conservatives aren't allowing gay people their equal rights so that we can all move forward.

You're a stupid asshole. If you keep supporting the same people like Hillary, Obama and all the rest of those criminals you're gonna get a never-ending war with Israel's enemies like you have now. If you vote for Ron Paul you'll have peace and legalized drugs. So if two guys having butt sex in the form of a federal government recognized institution rather than a personal relationship is that important to you, maybe you should get the hell out of my country or kill yourself so you won't make it worse for everyone else.

Look up what Ron Paul is about. I don't think he's even for federally recognized straight marriages, you need to stop looking at government like a needed parental figure & start learning about real history. All a strong centralized federal government is capable of is false flag terorism, political assassinations, creating poverty and wars and benefiting the global corporations and private banks. These are real issues, not your little cocky, empted minded nonsense.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I think that Obama, Hillary, and Guiliani are all decent choices, especially comparitively to what we have now. They all seem to talk with an honest conviction to themselves, and that to me is a powerful depiction of a person's leadership capabilities.

Uhhh.... you've got to be fucking kidding me.

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Originally posted by Infinite84 You're a stupid asshole. If you keep supporting the same people like Hillary, Obama and all the rest of those criminals you're gonna get a never-ending war with Israel's enemies like you have now. If you vote for Ron Paul you'll have peace and legalized drugs. So if two guys having butt sex in the form of a federal government recognized institution rather than a personal relationship is that important to you, maybe you should get the hell out of my country or kill yourself so you won't make it worse for everyone else. Look up what Ron Paul is about. I don't think he's even for federally recognized straight marriages, you need to stop looking at government like a needed parental figure & start learning about real history. All a strong centralized federal government is capable of is false flag terorism, political assassinations, creating poverty and wars and benefiting the global corporations and private banks. These are real issues, not your little cocky, empted minded nonsense.

Well said.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I can't believe you're obsessing over your right to marriage/civil union, whatever term you prefer, when the constitution is being ripped to shreds and the republic is falling apart.

His concerns are extremely valid.

It means your good apple has a rotten core...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Uhhh.... you've got to be fucking kidding me.

Hmm.. it's how I feel at this moment, having seen what I've seen from those three individuals. :Shrug:

Like I said... I'll have to wait for the debates, but honestly, it's just time for the pendulum to begin again its swing.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby His concerns are extremely valid. It means your good apple has a rotten core...

More valid than restoring the constitution?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z More valid than restoring the constitution?

Don't settle man. That's why things are the way they are in the world.

We really shorthand ourselves, by accepting less than the absolute best.

I guess we'll have to build up to the point where people as a collective have the confidence to demand the quality that is both certainly possible and immediately plausible if the atmosphere were a little less foggy.

I'd like to see a run of Clinton and Obama, though they both have different weak and strong points. Part of me thinks Clinton would take not tolerate any nonsense off anyone in the world.

GOP? I couldn't care less, as long as they lose.

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Originally posted by Infinite84 You're a stupid asshole.

No, I'm a smart asshole. A stupid asshole opens up debate by calling other people names.

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If you keep supporting the same people like Hillary, Obama and all the rest of those criminals you're gonna get a never-ending war with Israel's enemies like you have now.

Calling Dems criminals and making a generalization that voting for Dems will furiate Israel's enemies is grossly over-looking the fact that the United States over all pisses off most of the Middle East regardless of who is in the office. As for criminals, anyone who votes on ammending discrimination into the constitution, like Ron Paul, should promptly be thrown in jail. Wow, looks like you're the stupid asshole, huh.

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If you vote for Ron Paul you'll have peace and legalized drugs.

Ron Paul wants to legalize drugs? Really? Tell me more, stupid asshole. I want to learn from you.

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So if two guys having butt sex in the form of a federal government recognized institution rather than a personal relationship is that important to you, maybe you should get the hell out of my country or kill yourself so you won't make it worse for everyone else.

Maybe if I wanna butt fuck another dude, I don't want your sorry little stupid asshole voting to ban gays from getting married, joining the military, adopting, or working, just because you like to throw your face in some chick's squirrel guts and catch her snatch. I also don't want to hear you complain when you support people who oppress gay civil rights and then yell at gays when they fight for those rights.

Realistically, gay people can't have rights because most Republicans use religiously based bias disguised as general "morals" to keep gays from getting rights. Here's a smart idea: why don't they just give gays their equal rights? Why can't they do that? Because gay people are preventing America from dealing with real issues? No. Because anyone who has bias against a group of people when that group should have equal protection, such as most of those Republicans, are in office. So the real threat against important issues isn't political gay activists, it's Republicans.

Do you remember what black people did when they didn't get their equal rights? They protested and make their issue Americas top issue. Now the gays are doing it. So you're going to have to deep throat on a giant cock for a little while longer until stupid assholes like Shaolin Z's fantasy Ron Paul finally caves in to giving everyone equal rights.

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Look up what Ron Paul is about.

Already did. Thanks to Shaolin Z. Now Ron Paul is on the top of my list of stupid assholes. You're close behind.

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you need to stop looking at government like a needed parental figure & start learning about real history.

So when I marry a guy and when he is on his death bed later and I don't have visitation rights to his room at the hospital because I am not legally recognized to be his husband, who should I go to then? Not the government right? Because the government isn't here to protect my fundamental right? Did you just catch a bad case of the down syndrome?

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All a strong centralized federal government is capable of is false flag terorism, political assassinations, creating poverty and wars and benefiting the global corporations and private banks. These are real issues, not your little cocky, empted minded nonsense.

You're argument would hold true if our government wasn't capable of working with multiple problems domestic and foreign, which it is and does. So you are wrong. And a total stupid asshole.

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maybe you should get the hell out of my country or kill yourself so you won't make it worse for everyone else

Or maybe I'll just start another gay parade on your street because I think that's what you're really asking for.

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quote: Originally posted by DJ Shibby His concerns are extremely valid. It means your good apple has a rotten core... Originally posted by Shaolin_Z More valid than restoring the constitution?

Ron Paul voted to AMEND TO THE CONSTITUTION a BAN GAY MARRIAGE. How is that restoring the constitution?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Ron Paul voted to AMEND TO THE CONSTITUTION a BAN GAY MARRIAGE. How is that restoring the constitution?

Well, technicaly, the consitution never protected gay marriage to begin with and it was never culturally accepted. So it's never had jack to do with the constitution, therefore, has nothing to do with restoring it. And I'm done with this stupid discussion since all you seem to care about is some trivial bullshit in comparison to the civil liberties were loosing and everything else that's at stake. You've got to be the most politically unenlightened, imperceptive, selfish, and apathetic gay man I have ever talked to. I'd say about 90% of gay men I've ever come across are pretty well informed and politically aware, not to mention fairly intelligent, and, , quite pro-Palestinian. Having lived in San Fran, and now Austin, I've know plenty.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson No, I'm a smart asshole. A stupid asshole opens up debate by calling other people names.

Well said.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, technicaly, the consitution never protected gay marriage to begin with and it was never culturally accepted. So it's never had jack to do with the constitution, therefore, has nothing to do with restoring it. And I'm done with this stupid discussion since all you seem to care about is some trivial bullshit in comparison to the civil liberties were loosing and everything else that's at stake. You've got to be the most politically unenlightened, imperceptive, selfish, and apathetic gay man I have ever talked to. I'd say about 90% of gay men I've ever come across are pretty well informed and politically aware, not to mention fairly intelligent, and, , quite pro-Palestinian. Having lived in San Fran, and now Austin, I've know plenty.

Sorry shaolin_Z, but in re-reading your rabid defense of the libertarian, you haven't even addressed what seems to be your primary concern. What civil liberties of yours are being ripped to shreds? And do you really think that Democrats are responsible?

The only thing I can gather from your unintelligible rant is that you support Ron Paul because you want the privacy to not have your internet activity monitored as you watch gay porn while masturbating in your grandma's panties.

Although I do find some relief in the fact that your vote will be wasted on a third party candidate and it will not go to support a Republican that will further try to erode the civil liberties that I hold dear:

- The right to free speech
- The right to assemble
- The right to a speedy trial
- The right to due process

And your seeming inability to empathize with the need for minority rights is appalling, especially when your only reason seems to be there isn't time to help them when you are concerned with whatever rights you seem to have lost. When we start abandoning the rights of our fellow countrymen to save our own, 'tis a sad day. It isn't like Jake Benson is asking for more rights than you, he just wants the same rights that are afforded to heterosexual Americans.

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Originally posted by spiflicated it will not go to support a Republican that will further try to erode the civil liberties that I hold dear: - The right to free speech - The right to assemble - The right to a speedy trial - The right to due process

curious, who would that be?

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Originally posted by spiflicated And your seeming inability to empathize with the need for minority rights is appalling, especially when your only reason seems to be there isn't time to help them when you are concerned with whatever rights you seem to have lost. When we start abandoning the rights of our fellow countrymen to save our own, 'tis a sad day. It isn't like Jake Benson is asking for more rights than you, he just wants the same rights that are afforded to heterosexual Americans.

Now that was well said.

Paul, Richardson, Kucinich

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Originally posted by Infinite84 You're a stupid asshole. If you keep supporting the same people like Hillary, Obama and all the rest of those criminals you're gonna get a never-ending war with Israel's enemies like you have now.

Because they're gonna continue with the same idiotic policies that Bush has instilled with his utter ineptitude at diplomacy and endless military wars instead?

Got it.

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If you vote for Ron Paul you'll have peace and legalized drugs.

Oh happy day awaits in that tranquil world of serenity. Gosh, I'm sure counting down the moments.......

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So if two guys having butt sex in the form of a federal government recognized institution rather than a personal relationship is that important to you, maybe you should get the hell out of my country or kill yourself so you won't make it worse for everyone else.

Hmmm, what a wonderful and civilized thing to say. I'm beginning to wonder who our new bigoted buddy here is? You wouldn't happen to be anyone that's been banned before now, would you?

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Originally posted by Q5echo curious, who would that be?

pick one

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Originally posted by spiflicated Sorry shaolin_Z, but in re-reading your rabid defense of the libertarian, you haven't even addressed what seems to be your primary concern. What civil liberties of yours are being ripped to shreds? And do you really think that Democrats are responsible?

Ever read the Partior Act, Military Commisions Act, or Detainee Bill? Shut the hell up if you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by spiflicated The only thing I can gather from your unintelligible rant is that you support Ron Paul because you want the privacy to not have your internet activity monitored as you watch gay porn while masturbating in your grandma's panties.

Read above you fucking idiot. I wouldn't vote for someone or not vote for them based on a stupid trivial matter like a state acknowledeged relationship. That how Bush got his votes, and you fucking idiots are doing the same thing.

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Originally posted by spiflicated Although I do find some relief in the fact that your vote will be wasted on a third party candidate and it will not go to support a Republican that will further try to erode the civil liberties that I hold dear: - The right to free speech - The right to assemble - The right to a speedy trial - The right to due process

If you don't know a thing about Ron Paul, might as well shut the hell up instead of painting everyone Republican with one broad stroke.

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Originally posted by spiflicated And your seeming inability to empathize with the need for minority rights is appalling, especially when your only reason seems to be there isn't time to help them when you are concerned with whatever rights you seem to have lost. When we start abandoning the rights of our fellow countrymen to save our own, 'tis a sad day. It isn't like Jake Benson is asking for more rights than you, he just wants the same rights that are afforded to heterosexual Americans.

Now where the fuck did that come from? Did you bother reading what I posted earlier? Just so you know, no I don't think homosexuality is morally ok. Does that mean I hate gay people or am against them having right? No. I also think premarital sex and drug use is immoral, which I would be guilty of too, does that mean I hate myself and virually all straight people around me? No, grow a fucking brain you idiot istead of making stupid assumptions followed by equally stupid posts where you mentally masturbate about imaginary things. And yeah, all the gay dudes I know know my views and they don't have a problem with me or viceversa, because I don't treat them any differently than I would anyone else. It's called tolerance asshole, there's nothing to tolerate if you fully agree with something.

Well, tonight is the first presidential debate from the Democratic side. It should be interesting to watch.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ever read the Partior Act, Military Commisions Act, or Detainee Bill? Shut the hell up if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, I have, and I think they are appalling. However, this is the first time you mentioned them in this thread.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Read above you fucking idiot. I wouldn't vote for someone or not vote for them based on a stupid trivial matter like a state acknowledeged relationship. That how Bush got his votes, and you fucking idiots are doing the same thing.

I will restate my point for you, as you seem to be mentally challenged at times. I understand that you think a state acknowledged relationship is trivial. You need to understand that there are many people that trivialize the civil liberties that you care about. When people stop trying to defend all civil rights, that's a sad day for our country.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z If you don't know a thing about Ron Paul, might as well shut the hell up instead of painting everyone Republican with one broad stroke.

You're a fucking idiot if you think Ron Paul is a Republican. He's a fucking Libertarian you moron.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Now where the fuck did that come from? Did you bother reading what I posted earlier? Just so you know, no I don't think homosexuality is morally ok. Does that mean I hate gay people or am against them having right? No. I also think premarital sex and drug use is immoral, which I would be guilty of too, does that mean I hate myself and virually all straight people around me? No, grow a fucking brain you idiot istead of making stupid assumptions followed by equally stupid posts where you mentally masturbate about imaginary things. And yeah, all the gay dudes I know know my views and they don't have a problem with me or viceversa, because I don't treat them any differently than I would anyone else. It's called tolerance asshole, there's nothing to tolerate if you fully agree with something.

I didn't even discuss morally right or not... again, you went off on a tangent and clearly cannot read at an adult level. My point is that everyone's civil rights need to be protected. Your civil rights are no more important than Jake Benson's.

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Originally posted by spiflicated My point is that everyone's civil rights need to be protected. Your civil rights are no more important than Jake Benson's.

Thank you for that. That is what people have to remember. Politicians are suppose to protect EVERYBODIES right to live regardless of their sexual orientation. B/c it's all genetics and nothing else.

The Dems dont have anything... If Obama/Clinton/Gore the best they can come up with I got to tell you... WE ARE IN DEEP SHIT!!!!

Clinton would have been president today if she would have sent Bill to hell after he disgraced the presidential office with the Monica scandal.. She knew he was guilty and still defended and stood by his side and came to his defense along with her daughter. If she would have said " this man in not worth anything and is a disgrace and so on" she would have been president today. Cant you guys think of the mental abuse this woman and her daughter went through? For what? To protect the Clinton name. Please that dosen't show 1. she respects herself 2. not a tough woman to deal with that kind of problems

Talking about presidential runner ups. The GOP is the one that is convincing me the most like people like Rommney,Guiliani( idk if he can get the GOP vote for his social views) and one of the guys that I want him to step up to the ring is Dr. Gingrich


It saddens me that the American people have forgotten that there is still OBL, that according to him he got permission from god to kill 10m Americans, and the threat that terrorist groups face not only to America and to the rest of the world.

Do we have to get attacked again to get this through our heads? What pisses me off is that the Dems are politicizing the war... Political parties dont lose wars, nations lose wars.

If the Dem party all they can do is come out and present the solution to pull out i doubt that they can win the next pres elections. I want to get this clear I am not a Rep nor a Dem but an American that wants the best for this nation.

If we pussy out like the Spanish did after they got attacked than I must say we must be prepare when our enemy brings the war here to our soil.

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