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Originally posted by spitty no, sheep you are not. do you think that if someone was on the stairs in the guv main room, and a fire broke out, that they would have a reasonable expectation to get out alive?

that is not for you or me to detertmine. There are paid professionals that make that assertion. And trust me i can assure you that lately EVERY club has been getting very routine inspections because mayor miller is really trying to kill the club scene. He wants to make way for more condos. If that isnt obvious to you perhaps his decision to make fez batik into a homeless shelter should convince you?

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on one of the big events that we had to do this one direction thing it took me over 45 mins to get from guv floor to the drink doors. it was so crowded that someone managed to get a feel, and not only could i not see who it was, but i couldn't twist my body enough to get out of the way. i can say without any uncertainty, if there had been a fire that day i would have died from either the fire or being trampled to death in the panic

Its a club not a soccer field. If soemthing bad were to happen there would be more than just that one or 2 open doors to escape from. Suddenly there would be 20 doors open. Did you ever think of that?

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Originally posted by Spin Laden yes, I've seen it here in Ottawa, in Montreal (see beginning of thread) but amazingly, not at the Guv. I think even Stevie Wonder could tell that the Guv is a fire hazard (among other things). And the irony in all this is that the bar staff (ones responsible for much of this) would be able to do their jobs easier. You think bouncers and paramedics can get through crowds like that during fights, OD's, emergencies?

Well different jurisdictions have different rules. Hey, if you dont like capacity levels at certain clubs its quite simple. DONT GO TO THEM

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Originally posted by Jayx1 You dont think that the city isnt trying to shut down the club scene? hahahahaha seriously? Ok your level of ignorance is astounding thats all i can say. ... and sheep i am not... people around here can tell you that im anything but! BTW id seriously limit what you have to say about certain clubs and the police because otherwise the only person reported will be you for libel... and it has happened many times on the net in the past... It wont be me doing the reporting but i can assure you that a lot more people than you think actually read these threads.. so id be shutting up right about now

LOL, do you even know about libel laws? You are talking a journalism graduate here. That's why I've used words such as "alluded" and "possibly implicated" here. I guess you can include another 20 or so of your TOTAs who have been speaking much more damning than me

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Originally posted by Spin Laden LOL, do you even know about libel laws? You are talking a journalism graduate here. That's why I've used words such as "alluded" and "possibly implicated" here. I guess you can include another 20 or so of your TOTAs who have been speaking much more damning than me

the warning was not just for you but everyone else in this thread..

Hey if you feel confident in your statements then thats your business. Just be careful thats all

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Well different jurisdictions have different rules. Hey, if you dont like capacity levels at certain clubs its quite simple. DONT GO TO THEM

with that attitude, thank God your not a Prime Minister of anything

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Originally posted by Spin Laden with that attitude, thank God your not a Prime Minister of anything

what attitude exactly?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 the warning was not just for you but everyone else in this thread.. Hey if you feel confident in your statements then thats your business. Just be careful thats all

Buddy, I hope that you are consistent with your "warnings" and stuff on tranceaddict, as I see all sorts of libel and slander all over this internet forum. Your motivation for your warnings reeks of something else, definitely not out of concern for TA's.

Anyways, I know your concern is to not open up a can of worms that they will kill the Guv, etc. But a compromise has to be met here, because the clubbing experience should not be like that, with some TAs almost involved in fights and other degenerating to anti-asian comments and stuff.

yeah its because i work for clubs in toronto and i am dismayed at the level of ignorance displayed here...

so if you are implying i have a personal stake in this issue, I do. And i make no apologies for it.

*post edited above.. offers to shake hands with PM*

too nice outside to continue arguing in circles. I'm out. As bar staff, I would be a bit more sympathetic to ppl's concerns on here, and of course if anyone wants to take overcrowding issues further, keep in mind jobs are at stake too, so don't be too alarmist with your complaints.

Fair enough?

exactly... thats my whole point. Its one thing to say "wow it was crowded" but to go on about fire marshalls and calling the star. That really pissed me off. There is no need for that. The media loves sensationalism and politicians love to use that for political gain.

Thanks for starting to understand where im coming from!

Now go out and BBQ something LOL

PS i dont work at guv... but what people dont understand is that once u start trouble for one club..that trouble will spread right back to you.

I support all clubs in toronto whether they are competition or not.

i don't want to read this thread but i have to say that every party i have ever been to with a major headliner was very crowded - this is not a guvernment phenomenon

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Its a club not a soccer field. If soemthing bad were to happen there would be more than just that one or 2 open doors to escape from. Suddenly there would be 20 doors open. Did you ever think of that?

i know where all the doors are in relation to where i was. i was probably in the worst spot possible if there was a fire, and yes, i would have died.

and jay, before i say anything in a thread you're in, i think it over ...and over ... and over (and i say this with love)

Not to add gas to the fire or anything but I do agree that if anyone complains, either 1) nothing will happen because Guv lubed up enough people or 2) you will notice big changes, such as stricter security checks at the door (anyone who tries to sneak in drugs) higher admission prices, parties that would end earlier, or just simply the club closing down.

whatever happened to simply not going somewhere if you dont like the service?

This is just as bad as those who whine about whats on tv when they have the power to change the channel.

FAAAK!

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Originally posted by spitty i know where all the doors are in relation to where i was. i was probably in the worst spot possible if there was a fire, and yes, i would have died. and jay, before i say anything in a thread you're in, i think it over ...and over ... and over (and i say this with love)

As i said, thats your opinion and you are free to it. But there are paid professionals who obviously disagree.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden I dunno about you but who wants to pay $50 to be stuck in a corner of a club?

Fanboys, drug dealers and trance crackers?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 whatever happened to simply not going somewhere if you dont like the service? This is just as bad as those who whine about whats on tv when they have the power to change the channel. FAAAK!

This is the main reason I don't go to big events anymore. I'm not complaining now, but I have to say that the Guvernment does tend to overpack its events. Does anybody remember Labour of Love 2002? Even Decadence last year was bullshit. It's just not fun when you have to wait 20 minutes to get a bottle of water, wait half an hour to take a piss in a disgusting washroom, and get pushed and crammed at every turn. On top of this, prices are usually upwards of 40-50 bucks these days. No thanks!

I have much more fun going to places like Purple Room now or just a regular night out at the Barking Frog in London in the lounge where two of my friends consistently play decent house music. Or maybe I'm getting old?

You pay and you will get in, that's guv, and everyone knows that.

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Originally posted by spitty really, all i want is big fucking garage-like doors all through the club, so if there was a fire, there wouldn't be crazy bottle-necking at the door

KH has about 3 exits, 2 of them are garage sized, the way it was yesterday i'd say to clear out the club it would take about 10minutes at most..they are also used to bring equipment in when trucks pull in

Guv would prolly be a bit worse but it is smaller, it has 3 exits afaik, depending on your location you would be able to get out in 5minutes

Btw the example you mentioned about the stairs at the guv/the drink. That would be honestly one of the best spots in case of the fire, you would get out in less than 30seconds

and SpinLaden honestly stfu, what kind of a retard would notify the authorities about this? do you really want to get another club shutdown? It was quite obvious what to expect when you saw 100 people on the rollcall, i know i did.

spin laden >: i dont even know u but i dont like you STFU

I don't understand what all the bitching is all about. Glow here in DC is every bit as crowded on a major night, and the nights that it is not crowded such as last night when Junkie XL spun were boring and just didn't carry the vibe. I usually hang out near the DJ booth since I'm there for the music and couldn't give a fuck what goes on in the rest of the club, plus that's there all the hardcore EDM people are, and it is very hard not to make new friends in any given night there. Crowding is a fact of life for ANY event where there is a celebrity regardless of the genre.
Nobody is going to shut down Guvernment, because if they did they would be just plain stupid. Guvernment is a major tourist destination, and I have many friends in the U.S. who have made trips to Toronto with the Guv being their main purpose, but of course other businesses such as restaurants and lodging, and stores making money off them as well. Guvernment is one of the only places in North America where you can have a truly European EDM experience and it would be wise for Toronto to continue to capitalize on that.

I have been to Guvernment, on multiple occasions ( used to live in Canada ) and can tell you that at any venue in the metro DC / Baltimore region can be just as crowded, and there is far more potential for problems on big hip hop nights where the overcrowding is combined with guetto thugs high of coke snorted off the back of toilet seats.

I find it amazing how much some people in Toronto bitch about the Guv, since ALOT of people in alot of cities in North America would love to have a place like the Guv but unfortunately do not. Also it is a good thing that the Guv always gets a turnout so then you don't have the money effect - where some clubs such as Glow tend to only book who will bring in alot of money rather than who will spin a kick ass party. So to sum it up, if you don't like the Guv, stay home.

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Originally posted by emonster4life spin laden >: i dont even know u but i dont like you STFU

ha ha, okay Tyrone.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden see, that's the thing. Do you really have to expect that? As ticket buyers, you guys have more say than you think. All it takes is a phone call to the right authorities or a letter to the Toronto Star

thats a fucking great idea!!! let's all send our complaints to the media cause they clearly care about sketchbag safety

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